Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 >How Some Forms of Chronic Illness >Trigger Allergy Formation >And Vice Versa >DRAFT COPY SUBMITTED FOR YOUR COMMENTS >© 1995, mcs@..., all rights reserved. > >Send corrections, comments, etc. to: mcs@... > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - > >It is my understanding that some people are being given cyclosporine and >other strong immunosuppresive treatments to reduce allergies. There are >some problems with this kind of treatment, including: > > a.. Long term kidney damage > b.. Infections gained while immuno-suppressed > c.. Flare up of long term infections -- particularly those responsible >for the immune disorder! > d.. Ignoring the underlying problem >Many forms of immune disease originate from a long term low level infection >of _any_ sort, including bacteria, yeast, viruses, or parasites, or other >persistent factors that the body has not been able to completely eliminate. >With the immune system on alert and without rapid success, the natural >mutation processes of the immune system begin to generate a broader set of >antibodies. This is a strategy which will likely find another chink in the >offending organism's armor; but may also hit upon a chink in the body's own >armor, _possibly_ resulting in auto-immune disease if a prolonged battle >ensues. > >Immune System as Scavenger >At this point, we should note one of the less appreciated functions of the >immune system. When you are injured, some cells die, others begin to >malfunction. Those cells which are damaged, express so called " heat shock >proteins " on their cell wall membranes. (The cause is not only heat, as >originaly thought, but is now understood to include many other forms of >stress and damage.) To clean up the site of the injury, these damaged cells >must be attacked and destroyed by the immune system, and the debris flushed >into the circulatory system, or as in the case of a sunburn or blister, >allowed to fall off. To do this, the immune system has to be able to form >antibodies against the normal cells of the body. That is to say, a healthy >immune system, like a good police force, HAS to have the ABILITY to kill >you, to do its every day work. > >Take the example of a viral cold. During the initial period, the virus >takes over cells and turns them into factories manufacturing more viruses. >In response, the immune system sets out a two pronged attack, one aimed at >destroying viruses outside of cells, and another aimed at identifying those >cells acting as viral factories, and killing them before they disgorge >thousands of new viruses, dying in the process. If your body could not kill >your own cells, the virus would eventually take over. Together, they damage >your body to the point where you will feel terrible for a week or two, as >your body replaces the cells that it and/or the virus killed. > >In some cases, those antibodies generated against your own cells, may >persist for a long time, and the generation of replacement antibodies may >continue. In most cases, however, the disulfide bonds within the >antibodies, hold them in " closed " or inactive position until they are >needed. But more on that later. > >A Few Well Known Allergy Diseases... >A number of well known diseases have been found to be based upon this kind >of persistent antibody action. > >Late onset diabetes, we now believe, occurs when antibodies are formed >which end up slowly destroying insulin generating cells in the pancreas. >Milk consumption has been statistically related to this; but the major >cause is speculated to be viral. > >Rheumatic heart disease is another antibody related disease. It is >triggered when a form of streptococcus infects the throat. In the course of >fighting this off, the body makes antibodies which will also attack a >protein in the heart valves. If treated quickly, the body does not continue >generating these antibodies. If not treated, the cross reactions of these >antibodies with heart valve tissue eventually convinces the immune system >that there is a continued threat. As damage accumulates, the valves become >leaky and must be replaced to avoid lethargy and death. > >Hansen's disease, also known as leprosy, is another auto-immune disease. It >is triggered by a fungus which begins growing on the skin. In short term >exposures, not much happens. The second phase involves some scarring of the >skin. As the immune system becomes seriously involved in the third phase, >it begins generating antibodies which target other proteins. In those with >a genetic predisposition, some of those proteins targeted, are those used >in the nerve sheaths of a class of pain nerves, leading to a comfortable >lack of pain. The horrors of this disease are not due to the disease >itself; but rather, the lack of pain to discourage self damaging actions. >People with leprosy are no longer aware they are harming themselves when >they pick up hot objects, drink overly hot liquids, walk with sand or >pebbles in their shoes, and the many, many little things we don't do >because we find them uncomfortable or painful! With open wounds, chronic >infections set in; these are often not treated adequately because they are >just not painful. Like a rented car, without the warning pains of >ownership, the mind is no longer prompted toward caution in the minutea of >the body's use. Soon, the body shows the signs of abuse; burns, repetetive >wear, infections, all lead to missing digits, even limbs, and death. All >due to the missing " inconvenience " of pain. > >In a manner analogous to the disabling of the nervous system by Leprosy, >cyclosporins disable another vital but occasionally irritating system of >the body -- the immune system. Suppressing it is like getting a mild case >of AIDS. The initial infections or other problems are not dealt with, and >may continue to cause more and more damage to the body, while other low >grade problems begin to occur. In addition, it is my understanding that >there is often kidney damage which often leads to dialysis after a number >of years, and the incidence of cancer rises as the body fails to suppress >malfunctioning cells at a stage where this is easily done. > >Antibody Function >Now a quick jump back to the antibody story. It has been proposed that >antibodies are normally inactive in a healthy individual. It has been said >that 60% or more of the action of a healthy immune system is to deal with >the leakage of larger food molecules from the gut. There is, after all, a >high degree of similarity between various mammalian animal proteins in our >diet and those found in our bodies, even without considering the cases of >cannibalism formerly found in various primitive societies, or occasionally >encountered in conditions of extreme deprivation. If our immune system were >to attack all instances of these proteins, we would all have arthritis, >lupus, and many other auto immune diseases. Yet, in some people this type >of antibody based damage does occur. > >A typical antibody consists of two light polypeptide chains and two heavy >polypeptide chains held together by disulfide bonds. When most of these >bonds are reduced, the antibody is " closed " and unlikely to attack >anything. It is believed by Dr. Cathcart and others, that in the normal >state, these key bonds are closed, and the antibody circulates relatively >inertly in the blood. (A link to his articles is at the end of this >article.) > >When the antibody encounters an area of free radical activity, such as an >area where phagocytes are attacking other cells or invaders, the free >radicals oxidize some of these bonds, causing the antibody to open, >becomming primed. Any loosely matching item the antibody then encounters, >is attacked by the antibody. This provides a highly localized method of >dealing with invading organisms. Since there are times when the body must >destroy its own cells, and phagocytes do use free radicals as an attack >method, this scheme of activating antibodies would seem a relatively safe >design for Nature to employ. In addition, the presence of adequate free >radical scavengers will reduce the mean free path of the free radicals >generated by the phagocytes, sparing nearby tissue from damage by > " ricochet " free radicals during battle. > >The natural fresh food diet of our distant tree dwelling ancestors use to >contain large quantities of ascorbate laden fruits and vegetables, insuring >a good reductive blood ph. Most foods would be in season for but a few >weeks, providing a natural rotation of perhaps two thousand different >foods. And our elevated status kept us away from dead things and > " droppings " , somewhat reducing our exposure to pathogens and parasites. >Meat was relatively rare. Thus, Dr. Stone and others suggest, we had >considerably more antioxidants in our blood, and permitted Mother Nature to >propagate a genetic " defect " that turned off our primate ancestor's ability >to turn glucose into vitamin C. Later on, when some primates transitioned >from the high garden to the grasslands of the savanna, periodic famines may >have killed off those who converted glucose to vitamin C too freely in >times of nutritional stress. > >Along with the benefits of modern civilization, our diet changed to include >far more " dead " foods, such as meat and vegetables which have been picked >weeks, even months before consumption. Some studies in the sixties have >shown that the ascorbate content of these vegetables drops dramatically >after picking; and when it reaches near zero, the foods begin to rot. Thus, >our diet no longer has the grams of ascorbates and other anti- oxidants our >bodies evolved to use. Nor the seasonal nutritional stress and famines >which helped kill so many. > >As a side note, if we were to feed our modern processed food diet to a >monkey, the SPCA would likely charge us with maltreatment of the animal as >we would not be providing it with adequate ascorbates and other nutrients. >The FDA's RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance) of most nutrients is based not >on biological need, which we are not very certain of; but upon the FDA's >compilation of the so called " average " diet. There have been some strong >discussions between the National Academy of Sciences and the FDA regarding >these recommendations, resulting in the reluctant increase in some of the >values. (Not to mention the open recommendation of " eat more vegetables " , >take vitamin C to avoid colds, and now, rumors that vitamin E combats heart >disease. ) > >Back in our blood, the lower levels of antioxidants result in a higher >average free radical concentration. With any disease processes or other >perturbations, this can reach the levels at which statistically more and >more of the antibodies become open and " armed " , ready to strike anything >similar to their intended targets. > >A quick note on how chemistry works at this point. Atoms and molecules >react only when they bump into each other hard enough. No collision, no >reaction. Thus if the free radical concentration is low enough, few >antibodies will become primed by collision with free radicals, and those so >primed, are more likely to become un-primed by collision with free radical >scavengers before they encounter their would-be targets. Also, whether an >antibody latches on to a target depends not just upon fit, but also upon >how hard the collision. A hard enough collision can jam an antibody onto a >much poorer fitting target. There is a considerable spread of velocities in >any solution, the curve tapers to an extreme range, enough to destroy the >molecules involved in somewhat more rare occasions. These higher speed >collisions give rise to a half-life phenomenon for antibodies and other >bodily chemicals. (Rest assured, this molecular velocity has nothing to do >with how quickly blood travels; it is orders of magnitude greater! Any >observed relation between exercise and allergies is caused by Very >Different means.) > >So we see that as the free radical levels in the blood rise and/or >antioxidant levels fall, more and more antibodies may become active, >hammering away at anything resembling the targets they were designed to >attack. Eventually, the sheer numbers of mistakes build up to the point >where the accidental damage these antibodies cause, becomes noticeable as > " allergies " . As the quantity exceeds the body's ability to repair the >damage, it becomes a form of degenerative disease. > >What kind of damage is noticed first, would depend upon your immune history >-- which antibodies your body has produced more of. During such attack's, >some notice a strange phenomenon -- an injury at one site on the body, >prompts faint symptoms at other similar sites on the body. Say you catch >one finger in a door, or are bitten by a bee on one knuckle; in a day or >two, the other finger may also begin to twinge. Antibodies created to mop >up a specific class of damaged cells in one area, may be cross reacting >with similar cells at another area because your general free radical >scavenger status is too low. The sites of old injuries may also begin to >hurt for similar reasons. Old mariner's tales of scurvey from the days >before the British use of Lime to prevent scurvey, (hence the slang term >Limy for a British sailor,) talk about old wounds spontaneously opening. >Some of this is mentioned in Pearson and Shaw's books " Life Extension " , and > " Life Extension Companion " , along with experiments on wound healing >strength vs ascorbate dosage in guinnie pigs, another animal which does not >make its own ascorbates. > >Dietary Triggers and Avoidance >Here is where the rotating diet means of treating some allergies comes in. >The constant collisions do take their toll on antibodies, with some kinds >of antibodies lasting only days before neeting to be replaced by new ones. >Rotating the diet provides lulls, suggesting to the immune system that >additional production of replacement antibodies is not required. Days >later, when levels are low enough, eating that particular food will not >cause as many matches, and so will not stir up the rest of the immune >mechanisms. In the the six to eight hours it takes to ramp up antibody >production against those food macro-molecules, most of that food will have >been used up by the body, keeping the immune system from becoming stirred >up. > >Sometimes, with some of these foods, one may note faint traces of the food >odors released a day of so later as the antibodies break down and release >the molecules. Other foods with molecules that better fit these antibodies >may even " flush " such odors on to the breath. This is not to imply that >this is the only cause of delayed food odors, but a phenomenon which has >been noticed by some patients with food and other allergic materials. At >times, massive doses of vitamin C have been noticed to produce similar >releases of food, allergen, even pesticide odors on the breath. > >This mechanism can also explain the occasional faint releases of potential >allergen odors a day or so after exposure. This has been taken by some >patients as an indicator that they are developing an allergic sensitivity >to those allergens. The implication is that the body has learned to >generate antibodies to that chemical, and may do so in larger quantities >next time. Perhaps. > >Then there is the strange matter of addictive food disorders. If free >radical levels are high enough, large numbers of these antibodies become >active. If there is enough of the allergen present in the blood, all the >antibodies may be used up by the allergen, preventing cross reactions and >hence allergy symptoms. As long as supply outstrips the immune systems >ability to produce antibodies, symptoms subside. The combination of faint >odors and accompanying aches soon teaches the victim to crave these foods >or allergens to avoid the pain of allergy. The problem is that the body >will divert other resources to the production of more and more of these >antibodies, neglecting the production of more important antibodies, and >potentially opening the door to infective disease and cancer. Also the >individual may at some time end up in a situation where he or she can no >longer get enough of that particular food, triggering massive allergy >symptoms. > >(Some have speculated that a component of " home sickness " for one's prior >abode and diet, etc. may be related to a weak version of this phenomenon. >Perhaps.) > >Cures, " Cures " , and You >Statistically, a " cure " rate, is measured by the percentage in whom >treatment controls symptoms till some specific date, or till the patient is >removed from the study group by unrelated causes, like death from cancer, >or at times, bancrupcy, loss of insurance, and other things that prevent >paid contact with the medical practitioner. > >Do you consider this acceptable to YOU? > >Some medical researchers, looking beyond the immediate, are just now >beginning to sound the alarm that there is a statistical rise in cancer >from antihistamines and many related drugs. (Science News, circa 1994.) >There may, however, be other pathways that these drugs use which could also >explain the increase in cancer rates. One suspected pathway is interfering >with pancreatic function. > >Other medications, as we have heard, lead to problems with bone damage. >Even the matter of just taking enough pain killers to remove the pain so >one can go on, encourages the patient to ignore the primary problem, and >just go on with life as best as he or she can till something else breaks >down. > >Is this method of just treating symptoms acceptable to YOU? This is your >body. Your life as you know it will end when your body breaks down and >stops. We do not know what will happen after that. If you work at it, you >may be able to delay that event. > >(If you are interested in what may lay beyond, I would reccomend the rather >curious book, " Children Who Remember Previous Lives " , written by a medical >doctor who became curious on the subject, and dedicated much of his life to >researching actual cases. It's food for thought; and perhaps, hope.) > >Find the Cause >I deal with complex computer systems, often those which have gone wrong. >Quite often, the cause is a flaw in the design of the system, which NO ONE >went back to fix. Everyone just kept adding more and more instructions >(which we call code,) and fixes to the system. No one took the time to LOOK >at WHY there was a problem. Finally, either that problem manifested itself >in a way that could not be readily fixed, or the weight of additional >problems which the additional code introduced, rendered the program no >longer suitable. > >Correcting the initial design flaw was often considered too time consuming >or too expensive. By the time I am called in, we often find that MANY times >that amount has been spent in " unrelated " costs and schedule slippages in >other areas of the company. It is not that uncommon to find those costs >exceed several million dollars. > >How does that old saying go? For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. >For want of a horseshoe, the rider was lost, for want the rider, the battle >was lost, for want of the battle, the kingdom was lost.... Not in all >cases, to be sure; but the cumulative weight of problems " dealt with " one >at a time, usualy exceeds the cost needed to resolve the fundamental >causes. > >If you LOOK for the REAL problem, for the MECHANISMS behind the symptoms, >and deal with those, either fixing the PROBLEM or arranging this so that it >is not aggravated; then all the side effects Go Away! This usually involves >taking a Different Approach; one that deals with fundamental mechanisms, >not statistics. > >It is NOT just taking more things like vitamin C. Vitamin C is a stop-gap >measure, a way of helping the body. But you do need to get yourself to a >point where you have the luxury of saying NO to risky, short term oriented >treatments. Vitamin C can, at times help people gain some of that slack, >and help the body heal. But if you don't clear whatever caused your >problems in the first place, this becomes a never-ending race between >damage and healing. Cure the Cause! (See Dr. Cathcart's articles for more >information. Jump button repeated at end.) > >Some doctors actually prescribe a long term round of antibiotics as a start >of treatment. There are SERIOUS problems with this approach as well, but >sometimes, it DOES work at killing the microbes which caused the original >problem. Those such as myself, who have or have had candida albecans may >recoil in horror. Perhaps rightly so -- FOR THEM! But the right kinds of >antibiotics with the right kinds of antifungals and intestinal cultures, >and the right foods, CAN help SOME people get rid of the root cause of >their problems. Not all, not without problems. It's a trade off. > >(If you have gut ecology problems, be particularly carful of Tetracycline >and tetracycline derivatives. They are known to promote candida and other >yeasts and fungi. Ask about alternatives. Check them out in the PDR - >Physician's Desk Reference, and/or NDR - Nurses Drug Reference. Both are >available in most libraries or can be bought (or borowsed,) in most larger >bookstores. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, don't simply let your physician read to >you what HE thinks you should know, as he is too prone to leave out >anything he thinks might fuel your imagination or lead to that catch-all, > " Hypochondriasis " .) > >A friend of mine started having strange allergies and heart palpitations. >It was only AFTER the slow failures in attempting to treat him with >medications and the installation of a heart pacemaker, that anyone thought >of testing him for Lyme disease! Once that was rectified, many of his >problems went away. Unfortunately, his heart remains damaged, and with the >pacemaker, the FAA (Federal Aviation Agency) will no longer permit him his >life long joy of piloting an airplane. (Not to mention the sharp reduction >in estimated life span this all has caused!) > >This is not to say that Lyme disease is the only possible, or even probable >cause. Neither is the Candida Albecans, which Very Often preys upon those >with misbehaving immune systems. But they are things to look in to, and Doc >finds that the general anti-candid a protocol helps most patients, as it >relieves the immune system and strengthens its ability to select and deal >with Specific problems. > >How Long Do YOU Want to Live? >How long do you want to live? A hundred and thirty is about the upper limit >given the way healthy bodies seem to age. Can you attain that if you say >that you will accept an improvement now, in exchange for kidney failure, >cancer, or other terminal problems five to twenty years from now? > >Take your life in YOUR OWN HANDS! Keep LOOKING for the ROOT causes of your >problems! > >Who is most strongly motivated to keep you alive for more than ten to >twenty years? > >Is your doctor? > >Or is he more concerned at getting in and you out quickly, perhaps with >fewer symptoms, so he can see other patients? What is more important to >him, you, or his schedule? He DOES have to live, so he does have watch that >clock. So whom does that leave? YOU! > >There ARE good doctors who go beyond this near term point of view. They may >be harder to find; but they ARE out there! > >Quiet, Don't Suppress >Find out WHAT is the root cause; what initial incident, infection, chronic >or otherwise, CAUSED this immunological alert status. Deal with it! > >DO whatever is necessary to QUIET, not suppress, your immune system. >Vitamin C can only be PART of the solution. (Link to C articles at end.) DO >rotate your diet. DO try to avoid many of the immune stressors in your >environment. KEEP a diary so you can LEARN what those stressor are! Start >comparing them, you may find common ingredients which are the Real cause. >This too, gives you more slack, as you can then use things without those >ingredients. > >Note that some allergies are cyclical -- if you avoid that food long >enough, then you may be able to have it again once every X days without >symptoms. (X is usually 4, 7, or sometimes, over 20. Part of that depends >on your elimination rate, and other things. Here too, C can help. Ref. > " Brain Allergies " , by Dr. Pangborn and " The Yeast Syndrome " by Trowbridge >and .) > >Who Knows More? >Who knows best what is around you? Does you doctor, or you? Most, NOT ALL, >of the doctors, when they see a patient with a list, WILL NOT LISTEN, they >think " Hypochondria! " Good immune specialists DO want you to keep that >diary, to make an ORGANIZED list, and try to identify what triggers or >worstens your attacks. If your doctor is not interested in your keeping >that kind of diary, GET ANOTHER DOCTOR! (Or if he talks more about what you >were thinking, more about what your psychological state was at those times, >than how your body reacted, same thing. Not to say that psychology is not a >component; but a computer with low voltage will NOT get the right answers >no matter WHAT the program does! During a reaction, you very likely have >the brain equivalent of " low voltage " -- blood with low oxygen, low >glucose, the wrong ph balance, etc. for at least part of the brain you use. >This manifests itself as serious muscle spasms and/or confusion. If you >don't plug the computer in first, there is NO Point in trying to program >it!) > >It's Up To YOU! >YOU have to TAKE CHARGE of your own condition. That does NOT mean energy >zapping arguments. It simply means asking polite questions till you >understand WHY things happen, or till you see that the person you are >talking to does not know. It means SELECTING what you will do, and whom you >will see. It means LOOKING BEYOND tomorrow, looking TEN to THIRTY years >into the future! > >What should you do if your doctor says " Look, let's just deal with today? " >Is that going to get you where you want to be ten to thirty years from now? >I started looking for another doctor each time that happened. > >As the months go by, the prepared mind -- YOUR mind, will begin to see >patterns in all that information you are accumulating. You will not always >be right. You must proof your ideas against reality. But if you watch how >you react, and always seek to find out the specific causes of your >problems, YOU will become the expert on your own body and your own illness. >That's how it should be. YOU are the one with the greatest motivation to >spend the time researching and experimenting with your disease. Your body >is the only body you are likely to have in this life time. Your doctor, on >the other hand, will see many. Each of you has a different focus, different >information to share. > >If your doctor disagrees with you, politely ask him to educate you as to >MECHANISMS, not statistics. What if he refuses? Can you walk out? Can you >look for another doctor? I did. > >Ask yourself if you can trust this man to keep you alive thirty years. Is >this man on an ego trip? Does he care for anything besides getting you in >and out quickly so he can get on to the next patient? Does he want to be >thought of as The Expert, any you as The Ignorant Patient? Would you put up >with this kind of behavior if this were a garage or a used car lot? Just as >there are many mechanics and salesmen, there are many doctors. Whom you >consult, is up to you. It's your life this mechanic is tinkering with. Can >you trust him to take your best interests to heart? If not, just walk out >and keep looking. > >YOU have to take YOUR LIFE into YOUR OWN HANDS! And do it in an >intelligent, informed manner! It is up to YOU to hire good competent, >trustworthy _Consultants_ to help you when you need advice or help, or just >to get that other point of view. Working as partners, you and your doctor >can improve your life. But just like auto mechanics, doctors do come in all >kinds. > >Gaining Slack >In the course of this, you need to find some keeping point, some coping >point that will give you enough slack that you CAN say NO without too much >pain. For me that was extreme vitamin C and a gas mask. (excuse me, >OSHA./NIH approved industrial respirator.) Now, it is just vitamins, mostly >C, and diet. I am still looking, still trying various things. I have lasted >ten years this way, and may well last another ten to thirty years. I have >become accustomed to it. Life IS good; so I have to keep reminding myself >to keep looking. But if I don't understand the theory behind something, I >refuse to try it till it is explained well enough so I can understand and >believe. I look at most " cures " with suspicion, because they are NOT cures, >just palliative measures to reduce or eliminate symptoms on a short term >basis without regard to other long term consequences. > >Not dying in thirty years, is NOT simply not dying each day. It is thinking >and planning about how to avoid dying in the future from what you might do >today, even if, at times, what you reject happens to be the best advice >available today; sometimes, tempting advice which may make you more >comfortable in the short run. > >Three Steps >It is up to YOU. You have to want to live those ten to thirty or more >years. No one can want for you as much as you. No one can do what you can >do, for you. First comes Desire; a calm, deep rooted desire that will >motivate your actions. > >Read, ask questions, learn what you can. But remember, knowledge is >secondary. That's right, secondary. If there is no desire, all the >knowledge in the world is useless. > >Then do something. Take the initiative. Make it a habit. If you can only >crawl one inch forward, do it. If the consequences of failure are minor, >try it. Get in the habit of trying. Action is the third step. It's your >initiative, take it before someone else steals it; when people see you are >trying, they will be more willing to help. Action inspires action. And >empathy. > >Disclaimers: >I am no doctor. This is not medical advice. I am not responsible for your >health or faith. Do not blindly accept what other people tell you. Think >before you act. If you follow what I have suggested, you will be taking >your life into your own hands. > >REFERENCES > > Dr. Cathcart's articles on: > a.. Vitamin C > b.. Chronic Fatigue > c.. Low Body Temperature > d.. Could You have Candida? A computer graded quiz. > e.. Immune med. org. > > Why your doctor won't talk to you. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - > > >This document should not be construed as medical advice. >The contents are not guarenteed as accurate. >Comments should be submitted to mcs@... > > Other MCS Articles >Related Resources: > Allergy * Candida and Yeast * Chronic Fatigue * Immune >Enviro Illness and Multi-Chem Sensitivity >Health * Other Medical Links >Immune med. org. > Portions Copyright [C] 1996, Mall-Net >For your web space and web photography needs, contact >webmaster@... >Mall-Net > >What are people looking for on the web? Find out! > >What are people looking for on the web? Find out! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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