question

October 18, 2009

Yes thatnk phil need to take HCG shot i get loopy if I do not

e2 must be dumping again. Since increasing thyroid I am noticing a huge dip in

my e2 and not even taking arimidex.

> > >

> > > I have a few questions about taking testosterone, I am

> > 41yrs old and

> > > was diagnosed with hypogonadism, my level was 72 when

> > they should be between 350-1000,my doctor said I've been

> > hypogonadal for years due to small testicle size, low body

> > and facial hair....

> > >

> > > He started me on injectable cypionate, 200mg every 2

> > weeks. Since I am very low on the scale do I still

> > need to worry or worry at all about estrogen levels while

> > taking this drug?...I can only find information on body

> > builders that use high doses of testosterone.

> > >

> > > It's been a few days now taking my first shot, what

> > should I expect from this dose besides the sore leg I have

> > now........how long does this take to start working.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help you may give,

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

October 18, 2009

I wish I had this problem lately I am reading a lot from men getting there

Thyroid in line there Estradiol levels are less a problem. I see the Dr. this

Tue. and my Heart Dr. wants me on HGH so this will be one more shot I will be

on.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:01 AM

> Yes thatnk phil need to take HCG shot

> i get loopy if I do not

> e2 must be dumping again. Since increasing thyroid I

> am noticing a huge dip in my e2 and not even taking

> arimidex.

>

> > > >

> > > > I have a few questions about taking

> testosterone, I am

> > > 41yrs old and

> > > > was diagnosed with hypogonadism, my level

> was 72 when

> > > they should be between 350-1000,my doctor said

> I've been

> > > hypogonadal for years due to small testicle size,

> low body

> > > and facial hair....

> > > >

> > > > He started me on injectable cypionate, 200mg

> every 2

> > > weeks. Since I am very low on the scale do I

> still

> > > need to worry or worry at all about estrogen

> levels while

> > > taking this drug?...I can only find information

> on body

> > > builders that use high doses of testosterone.

> > > >

> > > > It's been a few days now taking my first

> shot, what

> > > should I expect from this dose besides the sore

> leg I have

> > > now........how long does this take to start

> working.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help you may give,

> > > >

> > > > Steve

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

October 18, 2009

HGH may speed ones metabolism up to help thyroid conversion to t3 so it may be

the missing key to your thyroid imbalances as well as your e2 levels may finally

stabilize. My intiution tells me this may be the link you have been needed to

put icing on the cake. They normally start people off half an ius a day then

remeasure in 3 months. Why the hell didn't they put you on this in the first

place years ago.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a few questions about taking

> > testosterone, I am

> > > > 41yrs old and

> > > > > was diagnosed with hypogonadism, my level

> > was 72 when

> > > > they should be between 350-1000,my doctor said

> > I've been

> > > > hypogonadal for years due to small testicle size,

> > low body

> > > > and facial hair....

> > > > >

> > > > > He started me on injectable cypionate, 200mg

> > every 2

> > > > weeks. Since I am very low on the scale do I

> > still

> > > > need to worry or worry at all about estrogen

> > levels while

> > > > taking this drug?...I can only find information

> > on body

> > > > builders that use high doses of testosterone.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's been a few days now taking my first

> > shot, what

> > > > should I expect from this dose besides the sore

> > leg I have

> > > > now........how long does this take to start

> > working.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help you may give,

> > > > >

> > > > > Steve

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

October 18, 2009

We talked about it I held off going on it until I seen how HCG worked and my

levels came back up but my Heart Dr. the one that was an Endo for pituitary

problems feels my heart problems were do to the low levels for so long. And now

he feels the should be higher he says blood levels of IGF - 1 don't tell the

whole story. And he says no need to do more testing anyone with a Hypopituitary

problem should be on HGH. So your saying .5 IU's how do you measure this small

amount or does in come in less them 10 mls. I read in this link the Dr. started

men on .4mgs every day.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/Is_Growth_Hormone_Safe.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:30 AM

> HGH may speed ones metabolism up to

> help thyroid conversion to t3 so it may be the missing key

> to your thyroid imbalances as well as your e2 levels may

> finally stabilize. My intiution tells me this may be the

> link you have been needed to put icing on the cake.

> They normally start people off half an ius a day then

> remeasure in 3 months. Why the hell didn't they put

> you on this in the first place years ago.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a few questions about

> taking

> > > testosterone, I am

> > > > > 41yrs old and

> > > > > > was diagnosed with hypogonadism,

> my level

> > > was 72 when

> > > > > they should be between 350-1000,my

> doctor said

> > > I've been

> > > > > hypogonadal for years due to small

> testicle size,

> > > low body

> > > > > and facial hair....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He started me on injectable

> cypionate, 200mg

> > > every 2

> > > > > weeks. Since I am very low on the

> scale do I

> > > still

> > > > > need to worry or worry at all about

> estrogen

> > > levels while

> > > > > taking this drug?...I can only find

> information

> > > on body

> > > > > builders that use high doses of

> testosterone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's been a few days now taking my

> first

> > > shot, what

> > > > > should I expect from this dose besides

> the sore

> > > leg I have

> > > > > now........how long does this take to

> start

> > > working.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any help you may give,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Steve

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

October 18, 2009

Thank you so much for the link. I will definitely check it out. I need to educate myself more. We put off a diagnosis for so long.... we were afraid to label him. Now I wish we had gone ahead sooner.My son varies his obsessions. He only has one at a time, but he sometimes goes from one to the next very quickly. I don't think he is obsessed with the Ninja Turtles, but maybe that's the next one in line? I think I've learned something though, when he watches TV that moves quickly, like the newer cartoons, or something that has a lot of ads, he is much more likely to melt down. I'm not sure exactly why, but it does seem like the faster the information comes at him, the more trouble he has. I did try to distract him

with talk about the turtles and he screamed at me to answer his question. sigh.We do have a child safety lock on our back van doors, but he knows about it. He checks it every time we get in the van and will not get in unless it's off.I am very protective of my stash of cappuccino. Decaf for night and caffeine to get me through the day. :)JenFrom: Kate Stone <katesdishes@...> Sent: Friday,

October 16, 2009 2:06:07 AMSubject: Re: ( ) question

Hi Jen,

I can't comment personally on the length of time before the meds kick in, because my son refused to take them. What I have been told is reaction time varies with each child; some noticed changes within a few weeks and others have said it took about 4 months. If your son has been diagnosed by a Psychiatrist, they would prescribe the meds.

To learn about Asperger's I suggest you check out www.pacer.org This site is very informative and has many valuable contacts and aspie-parent support that would benefit you.

As far as what to do; the first thing I'd suggest is to do those quickie errands when you have him alone with you, before you fill the van up with kids (stimulus overload). If you know his triggers, then you know you're about to give him an answer he doesn't want to hear, so be Vague. I would say things like, "Ohh, that would be FUN to watch wouldn't it?, Which one is your favorite, what color is his bandanna?" and try to keep him talking about it without answering, until you're home and he's in a safe place to meltdown.

Aspies typically have some overwhelming interest in something ~ yours may be obsessing about Ninja turtles? ~ bring those toys along and try to use his interest in them to 'distract' him.

When he jumps out of the car, he's lost control and needs you to keep him safe. Most cars and vans have child locks on the doors, see if you can find the switch so he will not be able to jump out. When he's locked in the van, remind him repeatedly that what he wants is to go home and as soon as he buckles up you can go home, but not until he buckles up. Bribery is a tool, use it if it buys you some sanity. There's no easy answers, each aspie is so unique.

My son is 15 now and he still jumps out of cars, refuses to get in them, refuses seat belting puts holes in his walls, threatens my life, property, has major meltdowns and destructive outbursts at home. He calls me things I've never even HEARD of before.

I've gotten so I don't respond much at all anymore when he comes unglued... call me Valium. But I am a big believer in consequences, so when he calms down (sometimes it's days or weeks later) I remind him he has property to fix ~ his fix-it jobs are "creative". Sometimes I think the holes look better than the fix, but I smile my approval. When he refuses belting in the car, I stop, until he buckles up. When he punches a hole... he has to patch it up. If he refuses to turn down his blaring music, I cut the power to his room. I know.. I'm tough.

As much as aspie's resist anyone having any control over them, it scares the crap out of them not to have known boundaries and they need us to set limits and expectations (that they can test over and over). Even if the expectation is something that seems obvious and any other parent would take for granted. With aspies you have to start small, and build... you must be very specific and you can't assume anything.

For instance ~ this is the instruction I had with my son who was 13 at the time and wanted to start making his own lunches:

" Do not use any knives of any kind out of the kitchen. In the kitchen do not use any knives (especially not a butcher's cleaver), against anything wooden, such as furniture, nor against appliances, or anything that has a metal surface and most especially do not use them on glass, such as windows, and also do not ever use them on people. They are ONLY to be used on cutting boards (shown example) and in the kitchen. Soon after, my counter top had deep cleavered hack marks in it. When I asked him what happened, he told me that he was checking out the cleaver on the counter top to see what would happen, because it wasn't on the "No-list". He figured if the cleaver could damage the counter top, then he didn't think he should use it on a cutting board because it would surely damage that! ... It's hard to argue with that aspie logic.

I don't know how you manage with 6 kids.. may you never run out of Calgon....and decaff cappacino!

From: Jen Marks <barefootmamma@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re: ( ) question Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:09 PM

Thank you so much for responding.

Meds are my absolute last resort. And having said that, I think we've arrived at the place where the last resort is appropriate. I made an appointment with the doctor, but it's still a week away. How long is the process once it has begun? I imagine our family doc will have to refer us to other people in order to prescribe meds?

Can I ask how old your son is and how long he's been on meds? Have you noticed side effects that you feel are significant? Is it something he will have to do the rest of his life? Does he take them willingly? (I imagine mine will not, at least in the beginning) Did you start with one med at a time, or do they usually give combinations in the beginning?

You would think I would know a thing or two about Aspergers, but I really don't know anything. It was there always, but never so extreme until early this year. I have a theory as to why, but I don't know if its right or if it even matters.

Dh came home, which didn't completely surprise me. I just could do without the d.r.a.m.a., you know? We have six kids, one with AS, there is enough drama here without him adding to it. And I was thinking he needs to be a man, so you must have read my mind. I hadn't thought of the threat of making him have custody. lol That might work. It just makes me so mad that he thinks he can just throw up his hands and be done with it all.

The minimum I need to do right now..... make enough food for the next two days for my family of 8 (we are GFCF) so we can go to my sister's wedding tomorrow. Try not to worry that horrible things might happen on the trip, while at the wedding, or at the hotel. Pack for 8 people. Too much. Actually, the minimum I have to do at this very moment is make myself some decaf cappuccino and go to bed. That sounds much better:)

From: Debra Balke <dlbalkecharter (DOT) net> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:50:32 PMSubject: Re: ( ) question

Well.... I wouldn't exactly say "normal" but it is very common with Asperger's. We do meds. Thank god. Otherwise, I would be completely insane. Meds are hard to do at first, but when you realize that the behavior is destroying the kid, the other kids, the parents, and the marriage, it starts to seem crazy not to do the meds. We used to have LOTS of this kind of insanity at our house. With the meds, he no longer tries to kill us, jump out of the car, etc. etc. etc. But, when we try to lower them, bits of it creeps back in and we forget how bad it was until we see it again. So, we have him on just barely enough meds to keep it so that it is "do-able" at our house. But, sometimes that means we get a big ugly scene if we aren't careful. We are doing Zoloft 50 mg per day, Tenex 1/2 mg twice a day and Abilify 20 mg per day. The more the antipsychotic, the

better the child, but the more the weight gain. So, we did have some Risperdal added in at one point and he was the best ever, but we reduced it and now he is just "tolerable." I wish there were safer, better meds, with no weight gain. As for the husband. Ah, ha, ha..... mine used to do that too. That was always fun. Gives you warm fuzzies about your marriage too, as everyone crumbles under the strain of it all. Medicate the kid if you aren't already. Get yourself psychologically as stable as possible, with antidepressants if needed. I keep asking my mother, my husband, my friends, "Am I crazy or are they making me crazy?" They all tell me that the situation would make ANYONE crazy and it doesn't matter if I was crazy first or they are making me crazy...... I need Zoloft to survive this. I realized also that on 75 mg per day myself, rather than 50 mg per day myself, I

can live through it better and get through each day easier with it. Same with my husband. It is a matter of survival at this point.

Tell the damn husband to step up to the plate, act like a man, and if he doesn't you are leaving and HE will get full custody of the kids. Ha, ha, ha...... The only divorce proceeding where both parents fight over who HAS to have the kids...... Only kidding.

Hang in there. Been there, done that. It is exhausting.. .. absolutely exhausting. One day at a time. One hour at a time. Just get through tonight. Baby steps. What is the minimum you need to do right now to get by.

( ) question

Is this AS? Or is it something else? This is so extreme..... . please tell me what you think, my dh is ready to take our son to the hospital.

At 3:30 I went to pick up my older girls from school and he had to go with me (he only goes for a few hours in the morning). He said he didn't want to go, which is what he usually says. He actually had a very good day at school this morning and was doing well when he got home. We got to the school and he told me he wanted to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on TV tonight. I said no because it starts at 8:00, which is his bedtime. Believe me, I said it as gently as possible and tried to bargain, telling him I would put it on Netflix. I feel like I'm always walking on eggshells with him.

When his sisters got out to the van, he would not let them in, so we all just stood there waiting for him to get over it. He didn't, unfortunately, he just kept getting more wound up. He tried to break the van door and the front seat and started punching at the windows and SCREAMING and swearing at me. Then he got out of the van and ran to the corner. I didn't chase him because I know he will run if I do that, so I just watched him from a distance. He kept inching farther and farther and when he got out of sight, I had to follow him. I had to leave all the other kids alone in the van. The oldest is 10 and the youngest is just a baby-- 16 months. Thank goodness I have my 10 year old. For 40 minutes I followed him and fought with him. When I was able to grab him, he kicked and scratched me and tried to put me in wrestling holds. He is 8 and very very strong. I couldn't believe no one

stopped and said anything, we were on the sidewalk of a very busy street. I was afraid he would run into the road. I literally could not get him back to the van. I'm not strong enough. A cop drove by and just looked. I waved, but he ignored me. Thanks a lot buddy.

I had to promise him that he could watch the movie. It was the only way I could get him back to the van. Then he wouldn't buckle up and he kept screaming and calling me names. We had to stop at the bank. I have to make our car payment-- I HAD to do this! Otherwise, believe me, I wouldn't have today. We just went through the drive through and the whole time he was yelling that he was going to kill me and other variations on that theme. Then he climbed into the back of the van-- the storage area and wouldn't get back in his seat.

When we got home he was still going. I was supposed to work tonight, but I can't because I see clients at my house. I had to cancel at the last minute because they surely would have wondered about the screaming and swearing and thumping coming from the basement! This is not good for my business. We are supposed to go to my sister's wedding three hours away tomorrow and I don't know if we can. I hurt my back wresting with him on the sidewalk, I have a bruise on my shin where he kicked me, and scratches that are bleeding on my hand.

He hasn't been this bad for a while. A couple months. Is this AS? It seems so extreme. Nothing helps. Nothing. Is this something else?

If someone can offer me a medicine that will work, I am at the point where I will give it to him. All of our lives stop when this happens. I don't even know what I could have done. What can I do when he runs away and we are out?

He just now has settled down. It lasted 2.5 hours. I'm exhausted.

Jen

October 18, 2009

I can totally relate to this. When mine is acting so sweet and wonderful, it almost seems like the horribleness never happened.JenFrom: caijiao cj zhao <caijiao@...> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:21:02 PMSubject: Re:

( ) question

I just went through my 3 hours' hell with my boy, who now is playing piano like an angel. Such beautiful music -- what happened during past 3 hours almost seemed like a nightmare...

But I do wonder, though, how you parents set expectations for your AS child? Where do you draw the line that you would just cut him slacks and let it go? When and how do you know that you just have to give up on your dream of this bright child?

After both of us are exhausted, I do often realize that quite often I could have just cut the whole meltdown down to within minutes by having said "yes", "yes", "ok", "you can have that", ..., to all the OCD requests he was making during the meltdowns. But I am having such tough time letting it go, though, to think that I would have to lower my expectations and continue to cut him slacks just to get by... He is such a smart boy: I taught him multiple-digit multiplication & division when he was 3!

But as he gets older and I get more stressed daily, this thought kept creeping in: when is enough enough? How do you even know?

From: Debra Balke <dlbalkecharter (DOT) net>Subject: Re: ( ) question Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM