question

[Guest guest]

wow thanx so much for that info will be way cheaper for me and I dont need a degree in chemistry either....

Jerry

[low dose naltrexone] Re: question

I found a source for you.See www.nogalesrx.com or call 1-866-334-8505.They don't list it but will order boxes of 28 tablets (50mg).I've always gone down there, but they do ship (I've never done that).It is sold as Revia.Nyles

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Jerry

Several pharmacies in the US know how to properly compound LDN for both oral or transdermal dosing.

Your doc just needs to write the prescription correctly for the right dose.... 1.5, 3.0 or 4.5 mg of naltrexone.

www.skipspharmacy.com really does this as an art and a science and on the website is info re LDN.

mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

Posted by: "Jerry ( aka Dillon )" jerrysimmons@... dillon_1954

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:29 am (PST)

yes i read have the site and agree and took all the info to my MD who is very open to it and is reseaching it more over next 2 months.but I would be all for getting 50mg doses if we could get them legally made to low does and have a central place for all persciptions to obtain it at a very low cost or even free ,,,or perhaps a pation of several hundred to a thousnd commiting to buy from one sorce at a prtice set by us would make a difference .?One place one price free shipping now wouldnt that be a Great Thing?jerry simmons

[Guest guest]

thanks for that. ldn is available at a very low cost. I believe if not for skip ldn would be much more expensive. he got a lot of nasty phone calls that for sure!!  I'm not trying to promote him but people need to know that. cyndiOn Sep 27, 2006, at 9:29 AM, foxhillers@... wrote: Jerry   Several pharmacies in the US know how to properly compound LDN for both oral or transdermal dosing.   Your doc just needs to write the prescription correctly for the right dose.... 1.5, 3.0 or 4.5 mg of naltrexone.   www.skipspharmacy.com really does this as an art and a science and on the website is info re LDN.   mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/   Posted by: "Jerry ( aka Dillon )" jerrysimmons@...   dillon_1954 Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:29 am (PST) yes i read have the site and agree and took all the info to my MD who is very open to it and is reseaching it more over next 2 months.but I would be all for getting 50mg doses if we could get them legally made to low does and have a central place for all persciptions to obtain it at a very low cost or even free ,,,or perhaps a pation of several hundred to a thousnd commiting to buy from one sorce at a prtice set by us would make a difference .?One place one price free shipping now wouldnt that be a Great Thing?jerry simmons

[Guest guest]

Does Skip only use one uniform filler or will he use whatever the

physician & patient want for the same cost?

- In low dose naltrexone , Cyndi Lenz <psychrn@...> wrote:

>

> thanks for that. ldn is available at a very low cost. I believe if

> not for skip ldn would be much more expensive. he got a lot of nasty

> phone calls that for sure!! I'm not trying to promote him but people

> need to know that.

> cyndi

[Guest guest]

he compounded with advicil only. it has nothing to do with cost - he

will not use ascidophllis because he believes its a second drug. he

will not use lactose because of all the people that are lactose

intolerant. he obviously will not calcium carb since he was the

person that brought it in the first place.

here get some popcorn and go the movies

http://skipspharmacy.com/movie.php

look at the one about fillers and there is some other stuff out there.

this was his decision based on his knowledge of chemistry -- that he

wanted to make sure he put out there was the very best.

some people might say dr b still believes in lactose. I would say

that he knows exactly what we do and never had an argument with it.

and when it comes to stuff like this skip usually has a good reason

and years of education to back up. if not for him people would be

getting their ldn with calium carb and we would be sitting here with

all the success.

again this is not to promote the pharmacy- there are so many people

including you guys -because this is the most amazing thing and i

believe the reason that i'm here- i've never seen in my whole career

as a nurse a drug as people powered as ldn. before i went to ldn

conference I felt for myself I really didn't have a lot to offer to

you but the conference really blew me away. so much i created that

dvd. and that is working -i'm sending it out on a regular basis to

doctors and they are watching it and it is changing hearts and minds.

all the folks involved dr bahari , dr gluck and joel and all the

people from the conference Dr McCandles, dr smith, dr boyle (who's

was outstanding) dr crowly , skip, mary ann for her wonderful book

and all the advocates (sounds like an emmy speech to me!) - all these

people are so amazing. watching them through the lens of my camera

really changed my life. and its not just about the drug it IS ABOUT

YOU GUYS.

if want to see the trailer it is here

http://skipspharmacy.com/movie.php

i am working on a documentary- or at least i was until i went to

colorado and i need go back to editing-because that is the next step-

is show people. I believe in my heart educating people about ldn

will do more for ldn then any clinical trial. The trial is just to

show people what we already know. its bigger than ldn or even you

guys-its the power of people who intuitively understand what good

medicine is and are not afraid to go forward and do it.

sorry for going on

i gotta go see you later

cyndi

On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:52 AM, joshdeanrichardson wrote:

> Does Skip only use one uniform filler or will he use whatever the

> physician & patient want for the same cost?

>

> - In low dose naltrexone , Cyndi Lenz <psychrn@...>

> wrote:

>>

>> thanks for that. ldn is available at a very low cost. I believe if

>> not for skip ldn would be much more expensive. he got a lot of nasty

>> phone calls that for sure!! I'm not trying to promote him but people

>> need to know that.

>> cyndi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think you could promote him, not any better than his happy rx receiving patients who've dealt with him electronically, in person, or on the phone.

I was impressed from my first phone call and subsequent calls, not that there were all that many, even more so when picking up one refill in person and spending time in the real, live, real estate, down Florida way, back in 2004, and then even more so in June 2005 at the first LDN Conf. Definitely an awesome positive to all our benefit.

What REALLY impressed me was my own personal little story, not sure just how much I had to do with it. My first fill was more expensive than I'm paying now, my 2nd refill was so much cheaper; someone told me about it before I refilled and when I got my refill I was really impressed. I was told because of the increase in scripts filled, more naltrexone had to be bought at a higher bulk rate, so it was cheaper to make. Instead of a Mercedes or early retirement, Skip's lowered the price for Everyone's benefit.

The cost did go up the last 2 refills from then, but still a lot lower than my first fills cost. Shipping also went up. And through each change, each dose has consistently been cheaper than HALF a cup of coffee. When it went up a quarter a cup, it went up a dime a dose.. so, still less than 1/2 the cost of a cup of joe.

The key players involved in LDN the last few years really are who made the difference.. some people just can't be blind to the effects. I'm having a stressful time the last few weeks, I swear if it wasn't for LDN, I'd be horizontal or fetal the last week or so, maybe longer. Hopefully it'll keep me going.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: question

thanks for that. ldn is available at a very low cost. I believe if not for skip ldn would be much more expensive. he got a lot of nasty phone calls that for sure!! I'm not trying to promote him but people need to know that.

cyndi

On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:29 AM, foxhillers@... wrote:

Jerry

Several pharmacies in the US know how to properly compound LDN

[Guest guest]

I understand that but its a matter of my insurance paying .They will pay for the 50mg so If its just a matter of mixing with distilled water I wont have to pay a penny ...

Jerry

[low dose naltrexone] Re: question

Jerry

Several pharmacies in the US know how to properly compound LDN for both oral or transdermal dosing.

Your doc just needs to write the prescription correctly for the right dose.... 1.5, 3.0 or 4.5 mg of naltrexone.

www.skipspharmacy.com really does this as an art and a science and on the website is info re LDN.

mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

Posted by: "Jerry ( aka Dillon )" jerrysimmonsbellsouth (DOT) net dillon_1954

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:29 am (PST)

yes i read have the site and agree and took all the info to my MD who is very open to it and is reseaching it more over next 2 months.but I would be all for getting 50mg doses if we could get them legally made to low does and have a central place for all persciptions to obtain it at a very low cost or even free ,,,or perhaps a pation of several hundred to a thousnd commiting to buy from one sorce at a prtice set by us would make a difference .?One place one price free shipping now wouldnt that be a Great Thing?jerry simmons

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>

> does any one in this

group know any thing to

do to help with constate

dizzyness all the time,

walking, sitting, etc.

also a good source of

enery & strength? any

info will be greatly

appreciated. thanks

kathy ppms no i am not

on ldn,,

>

> ------------------------

LDN just might lessen

your fatigue and lessen

or completely eliminate

your dizziness.

Consider using LDN.

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

>> does any one in this group know any thing to do to help with

constate dizzyness all the time, walking, sitting, etc. also a good

source of enery & strength? any info will be greatly appreciated.

thanks kathy ppms no i am not on ldn,,

>

> ---------------------------------

I answered this post somewhere. Get on LDN and it just may ease or

totally eliminate the dizziness.

I know of no supplement that helps this symptom, wish I did.

May I ask why not on LDN? If you can't find an LDN doc maybe one of

us can help you find one.

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Antivert?

Sherri

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From: " Bren " <b63powell@...>

>

>

>

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

>> does any one in this group know any thing to do to help with

constate dizzyness all the time, walking, sitting, etc. also a good

source of enery & strength? any info will be greatly appreciated.

thanks kathy ppms no i am not on ldn,,

>

> ---------------------------------

I answered this post somewhere. Get on LDN and it just may ease or

totally eliminate the dizziness.

I know of no supplement that helps this symptom, wish I did.

May I ask why not on LDN? If you can't find an LDN doc maybe one of

us can help you find one.

[Guest guest]

Head growth starts to slow down after six months, but people have still seen tremendous improvement. You're right, your ds would probably have to wear the helmet a bit longer, but not too much. My ds is five months old, and has tort and plagio. He's been in therapy since he was three months old. He has had two evaluations with Hanger and one with Cranial Tech. After his last eval. he had five mm. improvement just with repo, so we are going to wait until the first of November, re-evaluate and then make our decision. It's a hard one to make. Just ask yourself if his head never improves, will you be okay with that? If not, then you should probably band him, and you'll be able to take one of your options off of the list. The next question would be, how much do you want it to improve? If it's just a matter of millimeters, you might want to wait the six weeks and see what happens. If you're still not happy,

you can go ahead and get him banded. My son's pt recommends having children in their bands by six months old. I know there is a lot of thought that goes into this, so don't rush it. Your son is still at an age for tremendous improvement. Whether you wait or do it now. HTH. Candace, AZ mommy to Tiernan, 5 mos tort, plagio Mallin <amallin@...> wrote: Our son first when to a pediatric neurologist when he was 4 months

when our pediatrician recomended we go because of his plagio. The neurologist said it was moderate and that he had mild torticolis. He said our son should get pysical therapy and that he'd see how his head was in 2 months when he is 6 months old. Now that our son is 6 months, the torticlois is basically gone b/c the therapy worked but the doctor said that his plagio got a little better but is still moderate. He gave us 3 options: 1. We could get the helmet now. 2. We could wait 6 weeks come in again to see if his head is getting better and if not get the helmet in 6 weeks. 3. We could not get a helmet at all as his plagio isn't that bad.We don't know what to do. The neurologist said if it was his son, he wouldn't get a helmet. We want his head to be normal looking but then again would much rather not have him wear a helmet for a few months for 23 hours a day. If we wait the 6 weeks and then end up getting the helmet, then he will need to wear it for

longer.Any advice / insights into our situation? Has anyone had a similar decision to make? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please respond directly to my email: amallingmail as I do not have time to read all the posts from the group.Thank you, Mallin

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,

Our story sounds identical to yours. Except that we went to a

second specialist, a plastic surgeon here in Chicago, who did the

measurements using a STARscanner. The first plastic surgeon had

said, " Your choice, it's mild. If it were my kid, I probably

wouldn't band. " This was after she eyeballed his head shape and

measured haphazardly with a measuring tape. When we went to the

second specliast and saw the laser measurements we became more

alarmed because he was actually moderate to severe in all of the

measurements. Unfortunately this caused some problems with our

insurance company covering things at first, but now we are on

track. I guess what I am saying is...Get a second opinion, and try

to get a laser scan of the measurements because they can really tell

the whole story. Also, I feel like the first doctor was thinking

more " vanity " and we are more concerned about the lasting effects,

like contemporaneous infant brain impairment, long-term

developmental delays, ear, vision and dental problems, and TMJ

syndrome. We didn't want to regret not banding him years down the

road. (My husband says that it might also save money on getting

custom football helmet when he is older, too!)

We are also continuing with the PT for now, as well, because even

after several months, Drew has a head tilt and won't look as far

left as he will look to the right. We're worried it will affect his

gait and general physical development.

Just follow your gut!

Stacia

Mom to Drew, 9 months (tort, plagio, STARband for 3 weeks so far)

Chicago, IL

-- In Plagiocephaly , " Mallin " <amallin@...>

wrote:

>

> Our son first when to a pediatric neurologist when he was 4 months

when our

> pediatrician recomended we go because of his plagio. The

neurologist said it

> was moderate and that he had mild torticolis. He said our son

should get

> pysical therapy and that he'd see how his head was in 2 months

when he is 6

> months old. Now that our son is 6 months, the torticlois is

basically gone

> b/c the therapy worked but the doctor said that his plagio got a

little

> better but is still moderate. He gave us 3 options: 1. We could

get the

> helmet now. 2. We could wait 6 weeks come in again to see if his

head is

> getting better and if not get the helmet in 6 weeks. 3. We could

not get a

> helmet at all as his plagio isn't that bad.

>

> We don't know what to do. The neurologist said if it was his son,

he

> wouldn't get a helmet. We want his head to be normal looking but

then again

> would much rather not have him wear a helmet for a few months for

23 hours a

> day. If we wait the 6 weeks and then end up getting the helmet,

then he will

> need to wear it for longer.

>

> Any advice / insights into our situation? Has anyone had a similar

decision

> to make? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please

respond

> directly to my email: amallin@... as I do not have time to read

all

> the posts from the group.

>

> Thank you,

> Mallin

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

I have a question for anyone who knows...

I've had light tingling in my hands, feet, and face for about 8 years,

since I had a severe wind/sun burn on my face (long story, traumatic,

happened before having kids). It was between a first and second degree

burn.

Anyway, has anyone experienced this or does anyone know what it is?

Thanks,

Cate

[Guest guest]

--- amarithmoon <Amarithmoon@...> wrote:

> Has anyone had trouble with their as child taking

> meds? My 6 year old

> son is usually really good about taking his allergy

> meds (pill that he

> swallows) or his " chewies " (chewable motrin/tylenol,

> etc). He has the

> flu and strep (wonderful combo running through his

> school). He

> actually made himself sick because of the taste of

> the flu med. He

> needs to take the meds, so im going to call his dr

> to get pill form

> which solves for the current problem. He does have

> some anxiety

> issues (no meds yet) and I know he was so stressed

> due to the dislike

> of the flue med. I tried everything to make this

> easier, but it didnt

> help. Has anyone else had a similar situation?

> Other than having

> only pill form for meds is there anything else I

> can/could do to help

> him with this. I have explained that he cannot make

> himself sick and

> that he needs to try to tell me if something is not

> working/doesnt

> taste good/just isnt right so we can fix it. Im at

> a loss. I know he

> has the anxiety problems. I know he has food

> texture/taste issues, but

> this seems a bit extreme to me. Any suggestions?

>

My oldest daughter used to be the world's worst at

taking meds. She still won't swallow pills and she's

12. We used to have to resort to suppositories for

Tylenol because she would make herself sick when we'd

go to give her meds. She'd have pneumonia, and a high

fever, and trying to get the fever down enough that

she could handle taking the antibiotic was always fun,

and then having to take albuterol as well..... So I

know what you are dealing with. Used to make me a

nervous wreck because it was up to us to get her well,

and I used to think I'd never get her well with her

throwing up her meds all the time.

The only thing I can think to offer is that the

pharmacy does make meds in other forms like gummy

bear-type things. I know that would be another texture

problem if your son doesn't like those. They can also

can make meds in different flavors, if they are able

to. But you probably know that. Hopefully your doctor

can give you more suggestions/solutions.

Good luck. I know how hard it is. Casey used to have

105 fevers and getting meds in her was awful!

Melinda

[Guest guest]

>I thought I was the only one with this problem. My now 5yr old (AS)

Son has never taken any medicine. As an infant, he would make himself

sick if you gave him any type of medicine, including tylenol. To this

date I can not get him to take any medicine. I just treat him at

home with a humidifier at night, lots of fluids and rest. Best of

luck.

> Has anyone had trouble with their as child taking meds? My 6 year

old

> son is usually really good about taking his allergy meds (pill that

he

> swallows) or his " chewies " (chewable motrin/tylenol, etc). He has

the

> flu and strep (wonderful combo running through his school). He

> actually made himself sick because of the taste of the flu med. He

> needs to take the meds, so im going to call his dr to get pill form

> which solves for the current problem. He does have some anxiety

> issues (no meds yet) and I know he was so stressed due to the

dislike

> of the flue med. I tried everything to make this easier, but it

didnt

> help. Has anyone else had a similar situation? Other than having

> only pill form for meds is there anything else I can/could do to

help

> him with this. I have explained that he cannot make himself sick

and

> that he needs to try to tell me if something is not working/doesnt

> taste good/just isnt right so we can fix it. Im at a loss. I know

he

> has the anxiety problems. I know he has food texture/taste issues,

but

> this seems a bit extreme to me. Any suggestions?

>

[Guest guest]

It's difficult to get my 12 year old to take meds too. He won't sallow

a pill, so the doctor still prescribes liquid antibiotics. He also

won't take them unless they are red. A drop of food coloring helps

though.

Tonya

[Guest guest]

My daughter was a child I had to put in a head lock and squirt the

medicine into the corner of the back of her mouth. She still spit

it out. The doctor's nurses worked with us but I could not find the

spot where a child automatically swallows. I had to buy

suppositories for fevers. She was like this until 4. I started

behavior modification and gave her a reward for taking medicine.

She was still difficult but much better when she started taking

supplements. I gave her a choice: Medicine dropper or spoon. I let

her decide and she was much better. Recently we have started

chelating and I showed her a pill and asked her if she wanted to

drink the supplements in juice or swallow the pill with water. She

picked the pill. She swallowed it with no problem. She just turned

5 and had severe sensory issues, especially oral. For us the

combination of behavior modification and starting the gfcf diet

helped decrease hypersensativity and her anxiety.

Jen

>

> Has anyone had trouble with their as child taking meds? My 6 year

old

> son is usually really good about taking his allergy meds (pill

that he

> swallows) or his " chewies " (chewable motrin/tylenol, etc). He has

the

> flu and strep (wonderful combo running through his school). He

> actually made himself sick because of the taste of the flu med.

He

> needs to take the meds, so im going to call his dr to get pill

form

> which solves for the current problem. He does have some anxiety

> issues (no meds yet) and I know he was so stressed due to the

dislike

> of the flue med. I tried everything to make this easier, but it

didnt

> help. Has anyone else had a similar situation? Other than having

> only pill form for meds is there anything else I can/could do to

help

> him with this. I have explained that he cannot make himself sick

and

> that he needs to try to tell me if something is not working/doesnt

> taste good/just isnt right so we can fix it. Im at a loss. I

know he

> has the anxiety problems. I know he has food texture/taste issues,

but

> this seems a bit extreme to me. Any suggestions?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your responses. Im relieved to hear that this is not

as uncommon as I thought. The good news is that the antibiotics come

in pill form which after 2 arguements with the dr were called in. He

took them like a pro. Bad news the tamiflu does not come in pills for

children that are 6. UGH. After trying and trying to explain that it

was a sensory texture/taste thing that was causing him to have full

blown panic attacks, and causing him to make himself sick to get it

out of his system, the dr tells me that vomitting is a side effect of

the medicine. Am I crazy or is it just a bit strange that you would

want to give any child a med that will make them sick so they can get

better? So no such luck on that med. But thank you all again for the

responses

[Guest guest]

We can only get my son's med in liquid form unfortunately. So we ask the

pharmacist to flavor it. That helps. On over the counter stuff, I usually try

to get a flavor that they like and ask them to pick one. You might also

consider rewarding him for taking his meds but having a popcicle ready to give

him as soon as he swallows the liquid meds. We have often also had a big glass

of water ready as well. For some AS kids, explaining how the medicine works can

help as well. If they understand that the medication will zap the infection,

they will find it more interesting.

Roxanna

( ) question

Has anyone had trouble with their as child taking meds? My 6 year old

son is usually really good about taking his allergy meds (pill that he

swallows) or his " chewies " (chewable motrin/tylenol, etc). He has the

flu and strep (wonderful combo running through his school). He

actually made himself sick because of the taste of the flu med. He

needs to take the meds, so im going to call his dr to get pill form

which solves for the current problem. He does have some anxiety

issues (no meds yet) and I know he was so stressed due to the dislike

of the flue med. I tried everything to make this easier, but it didnt

help. Has anyone else had a similar situation? Other than having

only pill form for meds is there anything else I can/could do to help

him with this. I have explained that he cannot make himself sick and

that he needs to try to tell me if something is not working/doesnt

taste good/just isnt right so we can fix it. Im at a loss. I know he

has the anxiety problems. I know he has food texture/taste issues, but

this seems a bit extreme to me. Any suggestions?

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This happens to some on TRT it is the start of the testis stopping not working

anymore. As your TRT goes on you brain sees this and stops sending the LH and

FSH messages to the testis to make T. You can keep your testis working by

adding HCG do a 250 IU shot on the 5th and 6th days each after you T shot. Or if

your on gels do the shot every 3 days.

Phil

rkjl0815 <rkjl0815@...> wrote:

Hey guys,

I started my TRT about 3 weeks ago and it seem that my testicals are

drawn up really close to my body. My question is have any of you

noticed this in your experiances?

Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Thanks I will talk to my Dr. about HCG it really isn't a big deal I

had just noticed it and thought I'd ask.

> Hey guys,

>

> I started my TRT about 3 weeks ago and it seem that my testicals

are

> drawn up really close to my body. My question is have any of you

> noticed this in your experiances?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I went 22 yrs. with my testis not working then last yr. I added HCG and now they

went back up from the size of a small grape. So you can add it anytime.

Phil

rkjl0815 <rkjl0815@...> wrote:

Thanks I will talk to my Dr. about HCG it really isn't a big deal I

had just noticed it and thought I'd ask.

> Hey guys,

>

> I started my TRT about 3 weeks ago and it seem that my testicals

are

> drawn up really close to my body. My question is have any of you

> noticed this in your experiances?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> 4 days ago I started taking Dim because I wasn't feeling anything on 2

> tubes of Testim. The last 2 mornings I had a woody.

>

> Last night I woke up after about an hour of sleep and was extremy

> agitated, irritable, angry and nwervous. I felt like punching a wall.

> My body felt shaky. I was up all night like that. Very scarry feeling.

>

> Has anyone experienced anything similar?

>

>

> Thanks

> Greg

>

Was it Testim or Androgel, because I had very similar results for

Testim, but was ok using Androgel. I experienced the insomnia (still

have it) shaky/jittery feeling, and super depressed as a result of

starting Testim. The jitters and shaky feelings are still here after a

year, along with insomnia, and they come and go.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > 4 days ago I started taking Dim because I wasn't feeling

anything on 2

> > tubes of Testim. The last 2 mornings I had a woody.

> >

> > Last night I woke up after about an hour of sleep and was

extremy

> > agitated, irritable, angry and nwervous. I felt like punching a

wall.

> > My body felt shaky. I was up all night like that. Very scarry

feeling.

> >

> > Has anyone experienced anything similar?

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> > Greg

Hi Greg,

Like someone recently posted... " I'm not a medical person...but "

I have been on TRT for about 5 years, androderm then androjel and

now testosterone cyp. injections for the past 3 years or so. I am

also HCG.. (Thanks Phil!)

Here is my opinion because I too sometimes have the same feelings as

you. When functioning properly, our bodies maintain a very fine

balance with very low hormonal swings... kind of like a really good

Swiss watch keeping time. However, on TRT no matter what delivery

system that we utilize and frequency... the results is very

primitive compaired to nature's design. Like a clock with wooden

gears and cogg that tells time but accuracy is not that reliable.

Atleast with TRT we get close to " normal. "

I jave the feeling that you describe atleast once a week or so and

just take a deep breath because I know it will pass. I am also

using saw plametto (sp.) for E control. This is a work in progress

for me. I have really good morning wood every day and have for a

long time.

Hang in there!

Randy

[Guest guest]

I would not do it I hear from Dr. it raises Estrogen in men. He started

giving his men Pregnenolone cream this converts into Progesterone and many other

hormones.

Phil

jenncascaddan@... wrote:

Clear DayI wondered if anyone's tried Progesterone cream to decrease

the estrogen levels??? I've been reading on this & my husband's gonna try it. I

searched the message archives but didn't find anything in there. I know this

works for women but haven't seen any testimonies on men yet.

Thanks!

Jen