Re: High cortisol at night

[Guest guest]

Roxanna, can you explain why the T3 helps with sleep? Does it help

you stay asleep, or go to sleep?

R.

> My pinch of Cytomel is half a 5 mcg tablet, just 2.5 mcg.

>

> North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

> northstargsdr@e...

> www.northstargsdr.org

> Re: High cortisol at night

>

>

> In a message dated 9/11/2004 4:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> tayamni@e... writes:

>

> > That pinch of T3 has eliminated that...for now.

> >

>

> how much is a pinch? I have Cytomel. if it helps the trying to

go to sleep

> ritual, I think I'll try it. i have been trying 1/4 grain of

Armour...but I

> think the straight T3 might be better.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the T3 helps me to stay asleep throughout the night by helping to

eliminate the RLS of hypothyroidism. The T3 keeps my metabolism and enzymes

chugging away all night long. Without an overnight dose right now I fall back

into a hypothyroid state by morning. My Armour level is not optimized as yet.

Later on if and when I convert enough T4 to T3 I may not need the nighttime

Cytomel. It may even start keeping me awake.

As for falling asleep, I am not sure whether it is that my adrenals are actually

better, or whether being at this level of thyroid is better for my adrenals. The

two are so inter-related. Regardless of which way, I have been able to eliminate

the nighttime 2.5 mg of HC and easily fall asleep.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: High cortisol at night

>

>

> In a message dated 9/11/2004 4:54:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> tayamni@e... writes:

>

> > That pinch of T3 has eliminated that...for now.

> >

>

> how much is a pinch? I have Cytomel. if it helps the trying to

go to sleep

> ritual, I think I'll try it. i have been trying 1/4 grain of

Armour...but I

> think the straight T3 might be better.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could it be that the extra cortisol you were making was over-utilizing the

thyroid hormone you had taken earlier, and it took the little bit of thyroid

hormone to keep everything normal during the night. Cortisol puts it into

the cells, and if there's no thyroid hormone coming behind it, it's used up

and gone. It probably just took that little bit of thyroid hormone at

bedtime to make up the difference.

Re: High cortisol at night

> Here is my experience: ( sorry for the running at the mouth, but it's

complicated. But maybe someone can get something out of it.)

>

> Before starting hc I had trouble falling asleep, often woke around 3-4 AM

and could not get back to sleep for hours, also woke after 8 hours of

" sleep " feeling in a total fatigued fog.

>

> Initially I took 5 mg hc every four hours from the time of waking to a

total of 20 mg per day. Initially this helped everything. BUT, all three

returned at different times. I started taking an extra 2.5 mg before bed.

This helped to fall asleep. For a while it helped the 3-4 AM stuff which

then turned into a 5-6 AM thing, regardless, so I started taking another 2.5

mg then. This would cause me to go right back to sleep and feel very

refreshed upon waking. Better than ever. So I was at a total of 25 mg a day.

>

> But during that time I also started taking a bit of thyroid before bed for

the restless uncomfortable body thing, you know? That caused me to sleep

like a log better than anything.

>

> I weaned off the nighttime hc and just take a bit of T3 before bed. I fall

asleep readily and sleep very soundly. Often I do not wake up even once

during the night. It's sort of an unbelievable feeling to wake up and see

daylight already there! I feel refreshed when I wake. ( good sleep )

>

> Now I am taking 7.5 mg hc first thing in the morning instead of 5 mg to

simulate normal cycles better.

>

> I want to come down from the 22.5 total for the day eventually, but I

want to cut the 2.5 mg off the PM dose to replicate natural levels better.

>

> I have no idea when I will be able to decrease beyond that. There have

been a few days where I have needed to go back up to 25 mg with feeling

weakness or the " chest-thing " .

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Could it be that the extra cortisol you were making was over-utilizing the

thyroid hormone you had taken earlier, and it took the little bit of thyroid

hormone to keep everything normal during the night. Cortisol puts it into

the cells, and if there's no thyroid hormone coming behind it, it's used up

and gone. It probably just took that little bit of thyroid hormone at

bedtime to make up the difference.

Re: High cortisol at night

> Here is my experience: ( sorry for the running at the mouth, but it's

complicated. But maybe someone can get something out of it.)

>

> Before starting hc I had trouble falling asleep, often woke around 3-4 AM

and could not get back to sleep for hours, also woke after 8 hours of

" sleep " feeling in a total fatigued fog.

>

> Initially I took 5 mg hc every four hours from the time of waking to a

total of 20 mg per day. Initially this helped everything. BUT, all three

returned at different times. I started taking an extra 2.5 mg before bed.

This helped to fall asleep. For a while it helped the 3-4 AM stuff which

then turned into a 5-6 AM thing, regardless, so I started taking another 2.5

mg then. This would cause me to go right back to sleep and feel very

refreshed upon waking. Better than ever. So I was at a total of 25 mg a day.

>

> But during that time I also started taking a bit of thyroid before bed for

the restless uncomfortable body thing, you know? That caused me to sleep

like a log better than anything.

>

> I weaned off the nighttime hc and just take a bit of T3 before bed. I fall

asleep readily and sleep very soundly. Often I do not wake up even once

during the night. It's sort of an unbelievable feeling to wake up and see

daylight already there! I feel refreshed when I wake. ( good sleep )

>

> Now I am taking 7.5 mg hc first thing in the morning instead of 5 mg to

simulate normal cycles better.

>

> I want to come down from the 22.5 total for the day eventually, but I

want to cut the 2.5 mg off the PM dose to replicate natural levels better.

>

> I have no idea when I will be able to decrease beyond that. There have

been a few days where I have needed to go back up to 25 mg with feeling

weakness or the " chest-thing " .

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

That's exactly what happens to me, if I don't take extra thyroid right on

going to bed. Of course, I'm a night worker, teehee, so that could be the

difference. Maybe, at this point in life, my adrenals might actually be

finally trying to do what they're supposed to, and here I am working at

night and won't let them!

Re: High cortisol at night

> First you are on your left side...no good...try on the belly,...no

good....how about with one leg up....nope....turn the head....nope, no

help.....onto other side....still bad....return onto back.....wrong....fluff

pillow......nope....punch pillow....better.....nope, wrong again....onto

left side again.....:-( Does this sound familiar? And all the while you

might feel like your legs need to go out and have a good run!

>

> That pinch of T3 has eliminated that...for now.

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Yes, a definite other possibility. That's why one can only go by trial and error

sometimes because one doesn't know if it's the chicken or the egg that came

first!

The only thing I know, right now, is that I am balanced, right now. Tomorrow,

next week? Who knows. I think I was complaining just last week about being

unbalanced....I am liking THIS week much better!

We have a LONG distance seminar to go to later in the month. It's about 4-5

hours away and lasts all day. Of course I am concerned about being able to

handle such a day and all the excitement. The last seminar in July I didn't do

so well afterwards.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: High cortisol at night

> Here is my experience: ( sorry for the running at the mouth, but it's

complicated. But maybe someone can get something out of it.)

>

> Before starting hc I had trouble falling asleep, often woke around 3-4 AM

and could not get back to sleep for hours, also woke after 8 hours of

" sleep " feeling in a total fatigued fog.

>

> Initially I took 5 mg hc every four hours from the time of waking to a

total of 20 mg per day. Initially this helped everything. BUT, all three

returned at different times. I started taking an extra 2.5 mg before bed.

This helped to fall asleep. For a while it helped the 3-4 AM stuff which

then turned into a 5-6 AM thing, regardless, so I started taking another 2.5

mg then. This would cause me to go right back to sleep and feel very

refreshed upon waking. Better than ever. So I was at a total of 25 mg a day.

>

> But during that time I also started taking a bit of thyroid before bed for

the restless uncomfortable body thing, you know? That caused me to sleep

like a log better than anything.

>

> I weaned off the nighttime hc and just take a bit of T3 before bed. I fall

asleep readily and sleep very soundly. Often I do not wake up even once

during the night. It's sort of an unbelievable feeling to wake up and see

daylight already there! I feel refreshed when I wake. ( good sleep )

>

> Now I am taking 7.5 mg hc first thing in the morning instead of 5 mg to

simulate normal cycles better.

>

> I want to come down from the 22.5 total for the day eventually, but I

want to cut the 2.5 mg off the PM dose to replicate natural levels better.

>

> I have no idea when I will be able to decrease beyond that. There have

been a few days where I have needed to go back up to 25 mg with feeling

weakness or the " chest-thing " .

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Yes, a definite other possibility. That's why one can only go by trial and error

sometimes because one doesn't know if it's the chicken or the egg that came

first!

The only thing I know, right now, is that I am balanced, right now. Tomorrow,

next week? Who knows. I think I was complaining just last week about being

unbalanced....I am liking THIS week much better!

We have a LONG distance seminar to go to later in the month. It's about 4-5

hours away and lasts all day. Of course I am concerned about being able to

handle such a day and all the excitement. The last seminar in July I didn't do

so well afterwards.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: High cortisol at night

> Here is my experience: ( sorry for the running at the mouth, but it's

complicated. But maybe someone can get something out of it.)

>

> Before starting hc I had trouble falling asleep, often woke around 3-4 AM

and could not get back to sleep for hours, also woke after 8 hours of

" sleep " feeling in a total fatigued fog.

>

> Initially I took 5 mg hc every four hours from the time of waking to a

total of 20 mg per day. Initially this helped everything. BUT, all three

returned at different times. I started taking an extra 2.5 mg before bed.

This helped to fall asleep. For a while it helped the 3-4 AM stuff which

then turned into a 5-6 AM thing, regardless, so I started taking another 2.5

mg then. This would cause me to go right back to sleep and feel very

refreshed upon waking. Better than ever. So I was at a total of 25 mg a day.

>

> But during that time I also started taking a bit of thyroid before bed for

the restless uncomfortable body thing, you know? That caused me to sleep

like a log better than anything.

>

> I weaned off the nighttime hc and just take a bit of T3 before bed. I fall

asleep readily and sleep very soundly. Often I do not wake up even once

during the night. It's sort of an unbelievable feeling to wake up and see

daylight already there! I feel refreshed when I wake. ( good sleep )

>

> Now I am taking 7.5 mg hc first thing in the morning instead of 5 mg to

simulate normal cycles better.

>

> I want to come down from the 22.5 total for the day eventually, but I

want to cut the 2.5 mg off the PM dose to replicate natural levels better.

>

> I have no idea when I will be able to decrease beyond that. There have

been a few days where I have needed to go back up to 25 mg with feeling

weakness or the " chest-thing " .

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

It seemed to work pretty well for me as long as I was on it (9 months).

But didn't last. I'm taking

phosphatidylserine complex now. But still waiting for a change!

in Va.

Both. If cortisol is too high at night, there are some folks who will

take cortisone in the morning to retrain the body to NOT to produce

so much at night. Don't know if it works---maybe someone here can

report if it worked for them.

Jaine

[Guest guest]

It seemed to work pretty well for me as long as I was on it (9 months).

But didn't last. I'm taking

phosphatidylserine complex now. But still waiting for a change!

in Va.

Both. If cortisol is too high at night, there are some folks who will

take cortisone in the morning to retrain the body to NOT to produce

so much at night. Don't know if it works---maybe someone here can

report if it worked for them.

Jaine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> But didn't last. I'm taking

> phosphatidylserine complex now. But still waiting for a change!

> in Va.

> Both. If cortisol is too high at night, there are some folks who will

> take cortisone in the morning to retrain the body to NOT to produce

> so much at night. Don't know if it works---maybe someone here can

> report if it worked for them.

>

>

I'm taking the delta...2.5 in AM and 2.5 around 1:00...and it's helping

somewhat on the insomnia, but more in just endurance and stamina...but I also

started taking 1 of the phos. serine complex at night. that looks like a really

good supplement.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> But didn't last. I'm taking

> phosphatidylserine complex now. But still waiting for a change!

> in Va.

> Both. If cortisol is too high at night, there are some folks who will

> take cortisone in the morning to retrain the body to NOT to produce

> so much at night. Don't know if it works---maybe someone here can

> report if it worked for them.

>

>

I'm taking the delta...2.5 in AM and 2.5 around 1:00...and it's helping

somewhat on the insomnia, but more in just endurance and stamina...but I also

started taking 1 of the phos. serine complex at night. that looks like a really

good supplement.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2004 11:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> But didn't last. I'm taking

> phosphatidylserine complex now. But still waiting for a change!

> in Va.

> Both. If cortisol is too high at night, there are some folks who will

> take cortisone in the morning to retrain the body to NOT to produce

> so much at night. Don't know if it works---maybe someone here can

> report if it worked for them.

>

>

I'm taking the delta...2.5 in AM and 2.5 around 1:00...and it's helping

somewhat on the insomnia, but more in just endurance and stamina...but I also

started taking 1 of the phos. serine complex at night. that looks like a really

good supplement.

cindi