Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE - R

[Guest guest]

> Well, I for one am totally confused about hormones. I had followed

> Dr. Lee's advice, even using large amounts of progesterone to

combat

> my supposed estrogen dominance/endometriosis. In retrospect, for

me

> it caused a lot of depression, and I am not sure what else. I

> recently had my testosterone, estrogen and progesterone tested, and

> testosterone is definitely low, estrogen is questionable depending

> on who you read and my progesterone is " normal " . I have read that

> progesterone is a precursor to estrogen, testosterone is a

precursor

> to estrogen, and progesterone can take up the receptor sites for

> testosterone. I experience " warm flashes " from using progesterone

> cream, and from not using it. There are actually a lot of doctors

> out there with very differing views on how to manage natural

> hormones, perimenopause, etc (Reiss, Vliet, Schwarzbein) to name

> others besides Lee). I am not sure anyone of them knows the

> complete truth! And I am starting to feel like a guinea pig!

>

> R.

One symptom of progesterone excess is low level depression and also

fatigue...the thing is, women sometimes fail to realte it to

progesteone when it has worked so remarkably for them for such a long

time..but when you get to a place where your deficiency has been

addressed, excess can happen with doses you have always used. It

really is an individual thing. I used high doses of 10% progesteone

cream non-stop for 3-1/2 years until I reached a point where such a

large dose of it no longer gave me the benefits I had been getting

(diuretic, energy, optimization of my thyroid meds, absence

of " estrogen dominant " symptoms.) Now, at 55 and having been without

a period since a little past age 53, I am now using progesterone 12

days per month, a low-level tri-est, every day (per Schwartzbein and

some of the anti-aging doctors) and I'm getting a period again since

June. I feel great. I think if a woman is going to take estrogen,

she needs to allow a period to come and shed the uterine lining that

builds up each month. I think it is an individual choice and depends

on many factors, but especially how well you feel on natural

HRT....which has been in use since the 60's and does not give a

person the side effects that synthetic HRT is notorious for. It is a

new area of research, for sure...and no one doctor has all the

answers, as you mentioned. One think I have surmised by watching

myself and my friends is that no one hormonal supplement works the

same way in the same amounts we always used, forever - we are

changing, and therefore our requirements and the amounts our bodies

are producing are changing. We are all different as well, with how

much our bodies make to begin with...Uzzi Reiss outlines the three

types of hormonal profiles among women...we are different in what our

bodies produce even in our primes..and so it makes sense we would not

have the same requirments as every other woman out there when we

attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WmnsHormones

[Guest guest]

> Well, I for one am totally confused about hormones. I had followed

> Dr. Lee's advice, even using large amounts of progesterone to

combat

> my supposed estrogen dominance/endometriosis. In retrospect, for

me

> it caused a lot of depression, and I am not sure what else. I

> recently had my testosterone, estrogen and progesterone tested, and

> testosterone is definitely low, estrogen is questionable depending

> on who you read and my progesterone is " normal " . I have read that

> progesterone is a precursor to estrogen, testosterone is a

precursor

> to estrogen, and progesterone can take up the receptor sites for

> testosterone. I experience " warm flashes " from using progesterone

> cream, and from not using it. There are actually a lot of doctors

> out there with very differing views on how to manage natural

> hormones, perimenopause, etc (Reiss, Vliet, Schwarzbein) to name

> others besides Lee). I am not sure anyone of them knows the

> complete truth! And I am starting to feel like a guinea pig!

>

> R.

One symptom of progesterone excess is low level depression and also

fatigue...the thing is, women sometimes fail to realte it to

progesteone when it has worked so remarkably for them for such a long

time..but when you get to a place where your deficiency has been

addressed, excess can happen with doses you have always used. It

really is an individual thing. I used high doses of 10% progesteone

cream non-stop for 3-1/2 years until I reached a point where such a

large dose of it no longer gave me the benefits I had been getting

(diuretic, energy, optimization of my thyroid meds, absence

of " estrogen dominant " symptoms.) Now, at 55 and having been without

a period since a little past age 53, I am now using progesterone 12

days per month, a low-level tri-est, every day (per Schwartzbein and

some of the anti-aging doctors) and I'm getting a period again since

June. I feel great. I think if a woman is going to take estrogen,

she needs to allow a period to come and shed the uterine lining that

builds up each month. I think it is an individual choice and depends

on many factors, but especially how well you feel on natural

HRT....which has been in use since the 60's and does not give a

person the side effects that synthetic HRT is notorious for. It is a

new area of research, for sure...and no one doctor has all the

answers, as you mentioned. One think I have surmised by watching

myself and my friends is that no one hormonal supplement works the

same way in the same amounts we always used, forever - we are

changing, and therefore our requirements and the amounts our bodies

are producing are changing. We are all different as well, with how

much our bodies make to begin with...Uzzi Reiss outlines the three

types of hormonal profiles among women...we are different in what our

bodies produce even in our primes..and so it makes sense we would not

have the same requirments as every other woman out there when we

attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WmnsHormones

[Guest guest]

> Well, I for one am totally confused about hormones. I had followed

> Dr. Lee's advice, even using large amounts of progesterone to

combat

> my supposed estrogen dominance/endometriosis. In retrospect, for

me

> it caused a lot of depression, and I am not sure what else. I

> recently had my testosterone, estrogen and progesterone tested, and

> testosterone is definitely low, estrogen is questionable depending

> on who you read and my progesterone is " normal " . I have read that

> progesterone is a precursor to estrogen, testosterone is a

precursor

> to estrogen, and progesterone can take up the receptor sites for

> testosterone. I experience " warm flashes " from using progesterone

> cream, and from not using it. There are actually a lot of doctors

> out there with very differing views on how to manage natural

> hormones, perimenopause, etc (Reiss, Vliet, Schwarzbein) to name

> others besides Lee). I am not sure anyone of them knows the

> complete truth! And I am starting to feel like a guinea pig!

>

> R.

One symptom of progesterone excess is low level depression and also

fatigue...the thing is, women sometimes fail to realte it to

progesteone when it has worked so remarkably for them for such a long

time..but when you get to a place where your deficiency has been

addressed, excess can happen with doses you have always used. It

really is an individual thing. I used high doses of 10% progesteone

cream non-stop for 3-1/2 years until I reached a point where such a

large dose of it no longer gave me the benefits I had been getting

(diuretic, energy, optimization of my thyroid meds, absence

of " estrogen dominant " symptoms.) Now, at 55 and having been without

a period since a little past age 53, I am now using progesterone 12

days per month, a low-level tri-est, every day (per Schwartzbein and

some of the anti-aging doctors) and I'm getting a period again since

June. I feel great. I think if a woman is going to take estrogen,

she needs to allow a period to come and shed the uterine lining that

builds up each month. I think it is an individual choice and depends

on many factors, but especially how well you feel on natural

HRT....which has been in use since the 60's and does not give a

person the side effects that synthetic HRT is notorious for. It is a

new area of research, for sure...and no one doctor has all the

answers, as you mentioned. One think I have surmised by watching

myself and my friends is that no one hormonal supplement works the

same way in the same amounts we always used, forever - we are

changing, and therefore our requirements and the amounts our bodies

are producing are changing. We are all different as well, with how

much our bodies make to begin with...Uzzi Reiss outlines the three

types of hormonal profiles among women...we are different in what our

bodies produce even in our primes..and so it makes sense we would not

have the same requirments as every other woman out there when we

attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WmnsHormones

[Guest guest]

>...when we attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

That part of the sentence presents a whole 'nother issue to the mix.

Why do some of us even need to replace anything! My mother-in-law

went through meno, never did a thing, and has never had bone issues

or other dire warnings that go along with being meno. I am leaning

the same direction, for the time being....though I am currently using

a small amount of natural progesterone. Sometimes I am tempted to

stop even that.....and see. But so far, I am impressed with what I

read about progesterone in small amounts. So time will tell....

Janie

[Guest guest]

> >...when we attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

>

> That part of the sentence presents a whole 'nother issue to the

mix.

> Why do some of us even need to replace anything! My mother-in-law

> went through meno, never did a thing, and has never had bone issues

> or other dire warnings that go along with being meno. I am leaning

> the same direction, for the time being....though I am currently

using

> a small amount of natural progesterone. Sometimes I am tempted to

> stop even that.....and see. But so far, I am impressed with what I

> read about progesterone in small amounts. So time will tell....

>

> Janie

No - we really do not have to replace anything...and I was doing

fantastic on the progesterone alone for some years...it was really

the atrophy of my vagina - - not only drying up, but losing length

and elasticity in it that got me to try the estrogen..the flashes I

think I could have lived with. At that point, and since i am married

and had always had a good sex life, I made the decision for myself.

and with the right amount of natural homrones, there are no side

effects, like I did have so many years on the pill. I often said

that if it weren't for being married, I would have just allowed

myself to dry up. Especially those years before I needed anything

else but the progesterone. The progesterone made such a fantastic

difference in my energy and my feelings of good health. Actually,

now thinking back - I was okay on the prog. alone until OVER a year

after my period had stopped...age 54...age 53 was when I had my last

one (of course, I didn't realize it then..lol) but women are living

longer and healthier and I want to try it this way as long as I feel

good doing it. The anti-aging specialists popping up are dealing with

hormones this way for women who are interested. but I do have my

reasons for doing this..not all women feel the same way or would even

feel well on bio-identical HRT - my Mom did great with her

menopause....but she also had no use for my father after that

and it is in the fledgling stages of use now with our generation - so

yes, a lot of unanswered questions. But i appreciate the fact that

there is a choice (if you can find a doctor willing to work with you)

and I also realize more and more as time goes on that women are not

all the same - not in our primes and not in our requirements to feel

well and live healthy lives later on - so cookie cutter answers are

not practical.