Re: SCD Compatible with Elemental Diet?

[Guest guest]

Well, what is it?

Mara

> Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with

> Elemental Diets? Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be

> as successful as steroids for inducing remission. I also read a

> study that showed using a half normal diet and half elemental diet

> while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse for

> Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a

> combination of these two strategies.

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[Guest guest]

The elemental diet is basically nutrition that is absorbed by the body well

without going through the digestive tract entirely, thus giving it a rest. Jini

Patel discusses this on her website and has a product called Absorb Plus that

works like this. I ordered some before starting SCD. It has tons of good

nutrition in it....but also has maltodextrin as the sugar source and that is SCD

illegal. I was actually disappointed to see this. Most nutrition drinks are SCD

illegal. It would be great to see a nutrition drink out there that is SCD

compatible.

PJ

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> Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets?

Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for

inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and

half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse

for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a

combination of these two strategies.

>

[Guest guest]

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:43:08 PMSubject: Re: SCD Compatible with Elemental Diet?The elemental diet is basically nutrition that is absorbed by the body well without going through the digestive tract entirely, thus giving it a rest. Jini Patel discusses this on her website and has a product called Absorb Plus that works like this. I ordered some before starting SCD. It has tons of good nutrition in it....but also has maltodextrin as the sugar source and that is SCD illegal. I was actually disappointed to see this. Most nutrition drinks are SCD illegal. It would be great to see a nutrition drink out there that is SCD compatible.

PJWhat you are saying is not the elemental Diet it is the: ?????? I am confussed....

TPN (Total Parenteral Nutrition) is where a person is fed intravenously, which completely bypasses the digestive tract. There are a couple of benefits to this:1) Since the digestive tract is completely bypassed, it gets a chance to rest and heal. Sort of like not walking on a sprained ankle until it heals.2) If a person is sick enough, they can reach the point where the digestive tract isn't functioning well enough to supply nutrients to the body. TPN supplies predigested nutrients directly, so a person should be able to gain weight even with a badly damaged digestive tract.There are a couple of problems too:1) There is a risk of infection at the site where the tube is inserted into a vein.2) The patient is depending on only the TPN formula for all nutrition. Getting every possible nutrient in the correct proportions is probably not possible. But to the extent that they come close, TPN can be a big

benefit

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>> Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets? Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a combination of these two strategies.>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:43:08 PMSubject: Re: SCD Compatible with Elemental Diet?The elemental diet is basically nutrition that is absorbed by the body well without going through the digestive tract entirely, thus giving it a rest. Jini Patel discusses this on her website and has a product called Absorb Plus that works like this. I ordered some before starting SCD. It has tons of good nutrition in it....but also has maltodextrin as the sugar source and that is SCD illegal. I was actually disappointed to see this. Most nutrition drinks are SCD illegal. It would be great to see a nutrition drink out there that is SCD compatible.

PJWhat you are saying is not the elemental Diet it is the: ?????? I am confussed....

TPN (Total Parenteral Nutrition) is where a person is fed intravenously, which completely bypasses the digestive tract. There are a couple of benefits to this:1) Since the digestive tract is completely bypassed, it gets a chance to rest and heal. Sort of like not walking on a sprained ankle until it heals.2) If a person is sick enough, they can reach the point where the digestive tract isn't functioning well enough to supply nutrients to the body. TPN supplies predigested nutrients directly, so a person should be able to gain weight even with a badly damaged digestive tract.There are a couple of problems too:1) There is a risk of infection at the site where the tube is inserted into a vein.2) The patient is depending on only the TPN formula for all nutrition. Getting every possible nutrient in the correct proportions is probably not possible. But to the extent that they come close, TPN can be a big

benefit

___________________________________________________Loving Care Grammy Gay Surgery '75, CD '94,SCD '97, No meds. '98 Web Site: http://www.SCDiet.net/ Moderator Indy, IN

Breaking The Vicious Cycle by Elaine GottschallTell me where you live to find SCD Pals, Drs. how

long on the SCDiet.

Put in Subject: SCD or I may not see your post to me.

>> Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets? Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a combination of these two strategies.>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

You are probably correct- completely avoiding the gut requires TPN, but then

that would mean having intravenous fluids for a long time. There are oral

feedings for infants with bowel issues that require very little digestion- all

the nutrients are already broken down. I thought an elemental diet referred to

this type of feeding. I have not looked at the actual study on elemental diet to

know what they used- but the main idea is to rest the bowel. I'm not sure for

how long they used this, but to do it all through an IV would be difficult. Just

my guess...

PJ

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> > Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets?

Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for

inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and

half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse

for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a

combination of these two strategies.

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[Guest guest]

You are probably correct- completely avoiding the gut requires TPN, but then

that would mean having intravenous fluids for a long time. There are oral

feedings for infants with bowel issues that require very little digestion- all

the nutrients are already broken down. I thought an elemental diet referred to

this type of feeding. I have not looked at the actual study on elemental diet to

know what they used- but the main idea is to rest the bowel. I'm not sure for

how long they used this, but to do it all through an IV would be difficult. Just

my guess...

PJ

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> > Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets?

Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for

inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and

half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse

for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a

combination of these two strategies.

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[Guest guest]

Hi My son is drinking elemental formula only since last year. Meaning is his

sole source of nutrition. He is 4 and it's bit hard now but at the beginning he

loved it because his tummy didn't hurt when he was drinking it. It really gave

him a respite from pain and put a lot of weight in few months.

When we start with foods again , I want to try the SDC diet and see if it helps

to get rid of the remaining bugs in his body.

However, you're right some elemental formulas have maltodextrin and corn

syrup...it is very refined but still I believe corn and other sugars are

forbidden in the diet. I'm sure some people can be able to tolerate foods and

drink this formula, it can very healing and has lots of nutritients that the

body can absorb easily and without trigering allergies because is protein free.

The following companies make elemental formula

Elecare http://elecare.com/

Nutricia http://www.shsna.com/pages/pediatric_eo28.htm

They have several formulas and some people do better with one or more ... like

some people doesn't tolerate splash that well or the tropical Jr.

They have some formulas without the sugar " unflavored " but they taste horrible.

My son drinks Splash E028 orange flavor and the taste is not bad...however, I

wish they wouldn't be so corn based.

Hope this helps,

Patty

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> > Does anyone know anything about combining the SCD diet with Elemental Diets?

Many studies indicate that Elemental Diets can be as successful as steroids for

inducing remission. I also read a study that showed using a half normal diet and

half elemental diet while in remission lead improved changes of avoiding relapse

for Crohn's Disease and I was thinking it would be interesting to try a

combination of these two strategies.

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