Re: Now I am really depressed

[Guest guest]

Debi, that must be very frustrating!! ( But I do want to assure

you that it's probably not the Armour that has caused weight gain.

To the contrary, when you are on an optimal dose, your metabolism is

higher! When folks get on their optimal dose, they might exercise

more, causing muscle buildup, and muscle weighs more than fat. Or,

it could be that something else is causing fluid retention.

Janie

> Has anyone else GAINED weight on armour:( I got on the scale today

> and I have gained 2 lbs. I am Jus sick of it. Sometimes I think

> there is just nope hope......sorry to be a downer Debi

[Guest guest]

Maybe it is because your appetite has increased since you feel better?

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Now I am really depressed

>Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:22:42 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone else GAINED weight on armour

_______________

I have read about this happening. One speculation is that if you are

hypothyroid enough and develop poor absorption of nutrients, then

you won't gain weight and may loose it. So, when you take thyroid,

things can get normalized and then you take up what you eat a lot

better.

The other thing that could be happening is that the dose is too low

for you and is at the same time slowing the pituitary output of TSH

too much, making your overall daily total of thryoid from medicine

and what your thryoid makes lower than you were pre-thyroid

treatment.

Tish

[Guest guest]

My diet consists of on average ,,,,,, Breakfast is an english

muffin, lunch a half of a sandwich,,,,,dinner is a portion of meat,

vegetables and a starch. Inbetween I sometimes have peanutbutter on

a cracker or an apple....I have cut back on coffee to 2 cups a

day... water is my main lifesaver now,,, Before I would drink coffee

till noon and then have a half of a bagal or muffin ,,or nothing

depending on the day,,and then dinner same type as above,,,,popcorn

or a snack at night,,,,,frustrating debi

> Maybe it is because your appetite has increased since you feel

better?

>

>

> >From: " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >Subject: Re: Now I am really depressed

> >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:22:42 -0000

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My diet consists of on average ,,,,,, Breakfast is an english

muffin, lunch a half of a sandwich,,,,,dinner is a portion of meat,

vegetables and a starch. Inbetween I sometimes have peanutbutter on

a cracker or an apple....I have cut back on coffee to 2 cups a

day... water is my main lifesaver now,,, Before I would drink coffee

till noon and then have a half of a bagal or muffin ,,or nothing

depending on the day,,and then dinner same type as above,,,,popcorn

or a snack at night,,,,,frustrating debi

> Maybe it is because your appetite has increased since you feel

better?

>

>

> >From: " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >Subject: Re: Now I am really depressed

> >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:22:42 -0000

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My diet consists of on average ,,,,,, Breakfast is an english

muffin, lunch a half of a sandwich,,,,,dinner is a portion of meat,

vegetables and a starch. Inbetween I sometimes have peanutbutter on

a cracker or an apple....I have cut back on coffee to 2 cups a

day... water is my main lifesaver now,,, Before I would drink coffee

till noon and then have a half of a bagal or muffin ,,or nothing

depending on the day,,and then dinner same type as above,,,,popcorn

or a snack at night,,,,,frustrating debi

> Maybe it is because your appetite has increased since you feel

better?

>

>

> >From: " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >To: NaturalThyroidHormones

> >Subject: Re: Now I am really depressed

> >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:22:42 -0000

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between 3.4

and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that maybe

synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

anymore weight...sighs

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " lkwetter "

<saltillo@g...> wrote:

>

> > Has anyone else GAINED weight on armour

>

> _______________

> I have read about this happening. One speculation is that if you

are

> hypothyroid enough and develop poor absorption of nutrients, then

> you won't gain weight and may loose it. So, when you take thyroid,

> things can get normalized and then you take up what you eat a lot

> better.

>

> The other thing that could be happening is that the dose is too

low

> for you and is at the same time slowing the pituitary output of

TSH

> too much, making your overall daily total of thryoid from medicine

> and what your thryoid makes lower than you were pre-thyroid

> treatment.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

-Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between 3.4

and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that maybe

synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

anymore weight...sighs

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " lkwetter "

<saltillo@g...> wrote:

>

> > Has anyone else GAINED weight on armour

>

> _______________

> I have read about this happening. One speculation is that if you

are

> hypothyroid enough and develop poor absorption of nutrients, then

> you won't gain weight and may loose it. So, when you take thyroid,

> things can get normalized and then you take up what you eat a lot

> better.

>

> The other thing that could be happening is that the dose is too

low

> for you and is at the same time slowing the pituitary output of

TSH

> too much, making your overall daily total of thryoid from medicine

> and what your thryoid makes lower than you were pre-thyroid

> treatment.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but hang

on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm now

up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you are

taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

> -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between 3.4

> and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

maybe

> synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but hang

on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm now

up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you are

taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

> -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between 3.4

> and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

maybe

> synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but hang

on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm now

up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you are

taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

> -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between 3.4

> and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

maybe

> synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

-

Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3 grains,

but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

> Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but

hang

> on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

> raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm

now

> up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you

are

> taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

>

> > -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> > test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between

3.4

> > and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

> maybe

> > synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> > anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

-

Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3 grains,

but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

> Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but

hang

> on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

> raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm

now

> up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you

are

> taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

>

> > -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> > test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between

3.4

> > and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

> maybe

> > synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> > anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

-

Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3 grains,

but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

> Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but

hang

> on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which will

> raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but I'm

now

> up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully you

are

> taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help. Janie

>

> > -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My first

> > test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed between

3.4

> > and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying that

> maybe

> > synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't afford

> > anymore weight...sighs

[Guest guest]

I think you would have better luck controlling weight with a little

lower carbohydrate diet. Carbos like muffins, popcorn and other

starches really raise glucose and make more work for the adrenals.

Also, your diet sounds pretty meager and that makes me think your

thryoid dose is not high enough. My typical daily meals are:

Breakfast

2 eggs cooked in butter

Almond flour muffin loaded with fat and other goodies (about 350 to

400 calories)

Fruit, like 1/4 of a cantelope or 1/2 a grapefruit

Lunch

Homemade soup with tons of veggies and made with bones and lots of

meat scraps. It is thick like stew.

Some type of meat, maybe two pieces of lunch meat, jerky,

Peanut butter or low carb snack

Dinner

3-5 ounces of meat

Two huge servings of non starchy vegetables from the farmers market

Fruit

Maybe a salad or cucumber pieces or carrots or tomato slices

Desert, usually low sugar homemade snack or another muffin.

I am taking 3-1/2 grains of Armour and it seems like I eat a lot

more than you do without weight gain. I don't exercise either

because of adrenal problems. So, that makes me think your thryoid

dose is too low.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine, it's a

good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are probably

far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

snail! There's hope! ) Janie

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

[Guest guest]

Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine, it's a

good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are probably

far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

snail! There's hope! ) Janie

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

[Guest guest]

Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine, it's a

good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are probably

far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

snail! There's hope! ) Janie

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

[Guest guest]

I think Deb's saying she is taking 3/4 of a 3 grain pill. That would be

2 1/4 grain. Can you clarigy Deb?

Debbie K.

Re: Now I am really depressed

Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine, it's a

good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are probably

far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

snail! There's hope! ) Janie

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

[Guest guest]

I think Deb's saying she is taking 3/4 of a 3 grain pill. That would be

2 1/4 grain. Can you clarigy Deb?

Debbie K.

Re: Now I am really depressed

Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine, it's a

good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are probably

far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

snail! There's hope! ) Janie

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it. Deb

[Guest guest]

> I think Deb's saying she is taking 3/4 of a 3 grain pill. That

would be

> 2 1/4 grain. Can you clarigy Deb?

> Debbie K.

>

> Re: Now I am really depressed

>

>

> Oh Deb, yes. If you are only on 3/4 grain, and have done fine,

it's a

> good time to rise. And that explains your situation--you are

probably

> far from your optimal dose, and your metabolism is still slow as a

> snail! There's hope! ) Janie

>

> > Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

> grains,

> > but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase

it

> > the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it.

Deb

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Believe me, I understand. I have lots of them. But this wasn't bad at

all.

Blessigns,

Debbie K.

Re: Now I am really depressed

> I think Deb's saying she is taking 3/4 of a 3 grain pill. That

would be

> 2 1/4 grain. Can you clarigy Deb?

> Debbie K.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: loboshe [mailto:usns@r...]

Sorry, yes I am takinf 3/4 of a 3 grain pill. I musy of had a hypo

moment Deb

[Guest guest]

Roxanna, I was on .175 mcg of synthroid, so it was a lower

equivalent dose than the amount of armour I am now taking (2 and

3/4 grains ) The Dr. wanted me to start with the 3 grains all at

once. I am going to add the other 1/4 grain this week. The

conversion rate is 2 grains of armour is supposed to be equal

to .200mcg of synthroid, but I think I was undertreated with

synthroid anyway.

---

Drug ¨ Thyroid Tablets, USP

(

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Roxanna V Knight-Plouff,

DVM " <tayamni@e...> wrote:

> Deb,

>

> Maybe I am mixed up....but weren't you on Synthroid before at a

higher equivalent dose than the Armour you are on right now? If that

is true, then your metabolism has been slowed down.

>

> Roxanna

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> Re: Now I am really depressed

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> -

> Thanks Janie, It is very frustrating. My Dr started me on 3

grains,

> but I am only taking 3/4 of the pill. Maybe I should increase

it

> the end of the week as it will be 3 weeks since I started on it.

Deb

>

>

>

> -- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe "

<usns@r...>

> wrote:

> > Synthroid is worse for you. I know you must be frustrated, but

> hang

> > on. You probably haven't found your optimal dose yet, which

will

> > raise your metabolism. Once, I thought it was 2 grains, but

I'm

> now

> > up to 3 1/4 and edging towards 3 1/2 grains. Also, hopefully

you

> are

> > taking b-vitamins, minerals, selenium, etc. All will help.

Janie

> >

> > > -Boy I can't even remember pre-thyroid treatment lol. My

first

> > > test was of course ths and it was 132,,,It has stayed

between

> 3.4

> > > and 4.32 since ,as far as I can remember. Are you saying

that

> > maybe

> > > synthroid is better for me cause I sure as hell can't

afford

> > > anymore weight...sighs

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>The conversion rate is 2 grains of armour is supposed to be equal

> to .200mcg of synthroid, but I think I was undertreated with

> synthroid anyway.

Don't pay too much attention to the conversion charts. I was on .125

Levoxyl, and am now on nearly 3 1/2 grains Armour...far higher than

what the conversion chart recommended.

Janie

[Guest guest]

>The conversion rate is 2 grains of armour is supposed to be equal

> to .200mcg of synthroid, but I think I was undertreated with

> synthroid anyway.

Don't pay too much attention to the conversion charts. I was on .125

Levoxyl, and am now on nearly 3 1/2 grains Armour...far higher than

what the conversion chart recommended.

Janie