Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

[Guest guest]

Yes the doctors were a lot dumber back then...my mom's doctor put her on

speed while she was pg with my little brother...she would buzz around the

house cleaning like a freak and eat half a sandwich a day... " healthy "

The Valium was the " Prozac " of the time...they think if they dope you up

enough you'll go away and they can relax, lol..had a lot of nutty housewives

trying to get off of Valium...not a fun withdrawal.

) )

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

Yes the doctors were a lot dumber back then...my mom's doctor put her on

speed while she was pg with my little brother...she would buzz around the

house cleaning like a freak and eat half a sandwich a day... " healthy "

The Valium was the " Prozac " of the time...they think if they dope you up

enough you'll go away and they can relax, lol..had a lot of nutty housewives

trying to get off of Valium...not a fun withdrawal.

) )

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel too hot,

but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I get up, walk

around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize that the AC is on

and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep, still

too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and easily

fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Great description of hot flashes, . I sometimes had to walk out

in the middle of meetings because I felt like I was going to faint. Very

embarrassing.

...joan

[Guest guest]

yes, that sounds similar to what I get at night. During the day I am ok now

with the progesterone cream but still have these at night.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel too

hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I get up,

walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize that the AC

is on and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep,

still too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and

easily fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

yes, that sounds similar to what I get at night. During the day I am ok now

with the progesterone cream but still have these at night.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel too

hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I get up,

walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize that the AC

is on and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep,

still too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and

easily fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

yes, that sounds similar to what I get at night. During the day I am ok now

with the progesterone cream but still have these at night.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel too

hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I get up,

walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize that the AC

is on and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep,

still too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and

easily fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Has it been found that the way we experience menopause is usually familial in

nature? As in like mother like daughter?

HypoT runs in families, as I believe hypoA does too....whether that is for

genetic physiologic reasons, learned behavior, or genetic behaviors, I don't

know. But I can see all my hypoA problems as a mixture of both my Dad's and my

Mom's hypoA.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and

feel too hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide

awake so I get up, walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't

work. Then I realize that the AC is on and hubby has covers up. I'm

tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep, still too hot with covers

off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and easily fall

asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

>

> Roxanna

Yes...most women seem to experience them at night...maybe because the

additional stress isn't there, as when we are awake and out and

about is what makes them " mini " .

[Guest guest]

Has it been found that the way we experience menopause is usually familial in

nature? As in like mother like daughter?

HypoT runs in families, as I believe hypoA does too....whether that is for

genetic physiologic reasons, learned behavior, or genetic behaviors, I don't

know. But I can see all my hypoA problems as a mixture of both my Dad's and my

Mom's hypoA.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and

feel too hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide

awake so I get up, walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't

work. Then I realize that the AC is on and hubby has covers up. I'm

tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep, still too hot with covers

off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and easily fall

asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

>

> Roxanna

Yes...most women seem to experience them at night...maybe because the

additional stress isn't there, as when we are awake and out and

about is what makes them " mini " .

[Guest guest]

Has it been found that the way we experience menopause is usually familial in

nature? As in like mother like daughter?

HypoT runs in families, as I believe hypoA does too....whether that is for

genetic physiologic reasons, learned behavior, or genetic behaviors, I don't

know. But I can see all my hypoA problems as a mixture of both my Dad's and my

Mom's hypoA.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and

feel too hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide

awake so I get up, walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't

work. Then I realize that the AC is on and hubby has covers up. I'm

tired so I lay back down, but cannot sleep, still too hot with covers

off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull up the covers, and easily fall

asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

>

> Roxanna

Yes...most women seem to experience them at night...maybe because the

additional stress isn't there, as when we are awake and out and

about is what makes them " mini " .

[Guest guest]

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these issues,

we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time. I think

he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby that we

have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything??? LOL

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> Has it been found that the way we experience menopause is usually

familial in nature? As in like mother like daughter?

>

> HypoT runs in families, as I believe hypoA does too....whether that

is for genetic physiologic reasons, learned behavior, or genetic

behaviors, I don't know. But I can see all my hypoA problems as a

mixture of both my Dad's and my Mom's hypoA.

>

> Roxanna

I don't believe they established a familial link....rather one where,

because of enviromnmental pollutants, additives in our food and

chemicals in our water (to name a few) have impacted our healthy

hormonal ability to deal with the stress of declining estrogen in an

easy manner - this and the fact these pollutants have leeched away

our natural progesterone...but then there have always been women who

had a hard time with it. My Mom had a very easy, orderly menopause,

but she (born in 1905 and had me when she was 45) grew up with

natural spring water, natural food without additives or dyes and

herbal remedies for illness...never needed to see a doctor in her

life until shortly before her death. this type of lifestyle, as well

as the diets of Asian women seems to give women a much easier time of

it. But there (so far) do not seem to be any absolutes in

determining what's going to happen when a particular woman enters

this time of life - or how her body will deal with it.

[Guest guest]

not trying to outdo you but I fell into all of these at the same time <g> oh,

well perhaps it's better to get it all over with at once!

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these issues,

we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time. I think

he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby that we

have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything??? LOL

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

not trying to outdo you but I fell into all of these at the same time <g> oh,

well perhaps it's better to get it all over with at once!

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these issues,

we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time. I think

he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby that we

have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything??? LOL

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

I think they have established a familial link as far as age goes when it is a

natural menopause ie. not one that is surgically induced. My mother was 53 and

I was 55 - both over the average. But, as far as I remember, my mother had one

or two severe hot flashes and then no more. I have been having them now for a

couple of years (well before my last period)

My cousin said she had only one hot flash and then no more symptoms of meno -

wish I was that lucky.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Has it been found that the way we experience menopause is usually familial in

nature? As in like mother like daughter?

[Guest guest]

My sympathies to you! :-(

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these

issues, we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time.

I think he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby

that we have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything???

LOL

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

My sympathies to you! :-(

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these

issues, we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time.

I think he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby

that we have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything???

LOL

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

My sympathies to you! :-(

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

Not to complain, BUT.....just when I get my adrenal and thyroid issues

straightened out....I may then fall victim to a new set of problematic issues

with menopause. :-( I'll just stay reclusive. <g>

Actually, before we discovered that it was all hypoT & A causing these

issues, we thought it was just " woman stuff " and would be over in a short time.

I think he was counting the days to give hope! Now I will be sure to tell hubby

that we have not even started! LOL Or, maybe I just shouldn't say anything???

LOL

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

I think that the higher the cliff we were standing on, the longer and harder

the fall. By this, I mean that most of us who had a very high estrogen

production were/are going to go through more hell with this. I know I

did/do. At one time, all those " high hormones " , even including a wonderful

amt of thyroid hormone, probably made us feel more wonderful, more sexy,

etc...etc....But the problem is that, when something falters, whether it be

the thyroid, female organs, or maybe one cause from the other---when the

estrogen and/or progesterone crashes, it may very well falter back and

forth, just as in Hashi's (may be connected, I don't know), from low to

high, back to normal, to low again, and so us women who had a high estrogen

content originally, probably go through more hell AND for a more prolonged

period of time. If we went through ALL our teen and adult yrs with much

less estrogen, maybe the difference wasn't noticed as much, but if we had

very high estrogen, any change, and especially going through an up-down

up-down pattern, we are much more sensitive to ANY change in the pattern,

plus it's going on forever! I know that it had been this way with me. Some

women I know (including my mother, but she didn't have thyroid disease

either!) say that they noticed something for just a few months, or some for

even just a few weeks. That probably means that it didn't have to go that

far to do the " final " changes, if there is such a thing. ly, I'd say

that, if one is going to have a hysterectomy and is determined to do so (my

opinion only), don't let the doctor leave an ovary in there that may already

be on the blink because, when they do that, they prolong the misery through

many yrs. I say this because, once the main organ is removed (uterus), the

ovaries are going to go through an earlier more slow process of menopause.

If they take out the uterus, leaving them in doesn't stop a thing. I rue

the day that I told the doctor who did my hyst to go ahead and leave in this

one little ovary. I think that it helped to prolong it. That was 17 to 18

yrs ago that I had the hyst, and I am STILL having hot flashes, with all the

other hellish accompanying things going on, ALL of them, and I think that,

at least it might have been more " cut and dry " , had I had both ovaries

removed, but, who knows, it may have been better with having NOTHING

removed. Considering what I now know about progesterone, fibroids, long

periods, and thyroid disease, it probably would have been better to go

without the hyst, so remember " young ones " , learn from that. Not to say

that, with cancer of the female organs, one shouldn't remove those organs.

I'm certainly for that, but I did not have cancer. I just know that it felt

like someone had removed a bowling ball from inside me, and I DID feel

wonderful for a # of yrs after that. Make no mistake, though, there are

thousands of records on file to prove that many women literally had

breakdowns of the mental variety, all because of the changes that take place

in menopause, so it is NOT something to be taken lightly, and a lot of

doctors and patients don't recognize it for what it is, in a wholistic way.

Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> > >>What's so bad about a warm (or hot?) flash, anyway? LOL<<

>

>

> I used to say the same thing...I think we all believe that we will

> breeze thru it. Until it happens a few times. what I have found

> happened with my hot flashes was that out of nowhere, I would get so

> warm/hot I felt like I was going to pass out....meanwhile, I would

> get weak in the knees and all the strength would go out of my

> legs...as this was happening my mind would go totally blank and if I

> was talking to anyone, I wished they would disappear and leave me

> alone, if they continued to expect any kind of acknowledgment or

> response form me, the irritated the heck out of me LOL...then I would

> have the grand finale: breaking out into a huge sweat - the mother of

> all sweats! where it seemed as though someone had thrown a few

> hundred gallons of water on you....sudddenly, your hair is drenched,

> sheets of water coming down your face, you are dripping, cloths wet,

> make-up gone, and you begin to FREEZE like there is no tomorrow.

> You pray nobody noticed...lol This happens in the space of about 5

> minutes...wait and see just how long 5 minutes can be!! But you

> soon find out that the hot flashes are really the least of the

> discomforts that go along with estrogen depletion..the sleepless

> nights, the night sweats, the wandering around without sleep day

> after day for weeks or months on end, all wrung out is what really

> wears you down. Luckily - not every woman experiences this - so it's

> best to wait and see if you are one of the lucky ones before worrying

> about the next step, which may never have to be taken.

[Guest guest]

My bedroom, when I'm sleeping, is LIKE the Antarctic, lol! It is because of

lingering hot flashes. I just started the progesterone cream a little over

a week ago, and the second day, it quelled most of my hot flashes and the

intensity of them. Buuutttt-----I am also aware that, in the beginning of

treatment with it, if a woman has run dry on progesterone for a long time,

with no treatment, the body literally " grabs " it much faster, so some of the

symptoms may return, and that would be the time to up the amt of cream used.

The first tissues to grab it would be the fattier tissues, and that's why

they say that there can be some initial midriff weight loss, in particular.

There's nothing magical about it, as it's not lbs, rather redistribution of

weight. It took yrs for the cortisol to tack it on in the midriff area, so

that probably means that it's not going to just magically slide off that

fast. I've noticed differences in my sleep already, as I can't hear noises

in my sleep this last week, so it must be doing something, I don't think

that's just in my head, so to speak.

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> >>>>>now a small amount of Progesterone cream is all I use, but I

> DO still have many hot flashes and night sweats.

>

> So....... ............ how do we get rid of these darn hot flashes?

> Move to the Arctic?

>

> joan

[Guest guest]

Most of the doctors in my area are still living back in the 70s, when it

comes to the prescribing of tranquilizers and such. You'd think they

wouldn't be, as Houston, one of the most innnovative medical communities in

the entire world, is sitting not an hrs drive away, but they still are where

they were 20 to 30 yrs ago in all this. Everything that happens to a woman

around here, it must be " all in her head " . It kind of reminds me of the

Stepford Wives sort of thing, but I won't go into details, that's for

another discussion group, I guess.

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

Most of the doctors in my area are still living back in the 70s, when it

comes to the prescribing of tranquilizers and such. You'd think they

wouldn't be, as Houston, one of the most innnovative medical communities in

the entire world, is sitting not an hrs drive away, but they still are where

they were 20 to 30 yrs ago in all this. Everything that happens to a woman

around here, it must be " all in her head " . It kind of reminds me of the

Stepford Wives sort of thing, but I won't go into details, that's for

another discussion group, I guess.

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

Most of the doctors in my area are still living back in the 70s, when it

comes to the prescribing of tranquilizers and such. You'd think they

wouldn't be, as Houston, one of the most innnovative medical communities in

the entire world, is sitting not an hrs drive away, but they still are where

they were 20 to 30 yrs ago in all this. Everything that happens to a woman

around here, it must be " all in her head " . It kind of reminds me of the

Stepford Wives sort of thing, but I won't go into details, that's for

another discussion group, I guess.

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

See my last post as to why I think this happens.

RE: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> >>>>My older sister too...and now, at nearly 70 she finds she STILL has

> hot flashes, although not as often..poor thing.

>

> Oh my gosh - please don't tell me that - it's possible these hot flashes

> NEVER go away ??

>

> There has to be a reason that some women have this problem and some do not

> and the doctors should be more concerned about finding out WHY....

> ... joan

[Guest guest]

See my last post as to why I think this happens.

RE: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> >>>>My older sister too...and now, at nearly 70 she finds she STILL has

> hot flashes, although not as often..poor thing.

>

> Oh my gosh - please don't tell me that - it's possible these hot flashes

> NEVER go away ??

>

> There has to be a reason that some women have this problem and some do not

> and the doctors should be more concerned about finding out WHY....

> ... joan

[Guest guest]

Yep

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel

too hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I

get up, walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize

that the AC is on and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but

cannot sleep, still too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull

up the covers, and easily fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

>

> Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Yep

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

> I think I might be having mini-hot flashes at night. I wake up and feel

too hot, but not that bad. Sometimes a little sweat. I am wide awake so I

get up, walk around a bit to cool off...which doesn't work. Then I realize

that the AC is on and hubby has covers up. I'm tired so I lay back down, but

cannot sleep, still too hot with covers off. Suddenly I feel chilled, pull

up the covers, and easily fall asleep. Could that be a mini hotflash?

>

> Roxanna