Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

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Janie - thanks for posting this as it is very informative. I also agree

with - totally confusing. is right about hormone supplements

reacting differently over time and for each individual. But with so many

overlapping symptoms, how do we determine the true cause? Do we need

estrogen or progesterone or adrenal support, etc.? My new PCP wants

to send me to ob-gyn for hormone testing, but are they the most

knowledgeable? They are the so-called specialists that put me on

synthetic HRT 15 years ago after my hysterectomy. Don't endos handle

that stuff, too, since all these hormones are so interrelated? I'm

experimenting with the progesterone cream now to see if it helps

anything..... sigh.........

.... joan

> Well, I for one am totally confused about hormones. >

> R.

One symptom of progesterone excess is low level depression and also

fatigue...the thing is, women sometimes fail to realte it to

progesteone when it has worked so remarkably for them for such a long

time..but when you get to a place where your deficiency has been

addressed, excess can happen with doses you have always used. It

really is an individual thing. I used high doses of 10% progesteone

cream non-stop for 3-1/2 years until I reached a point where such a

large dose of it no longer gave me the benefits I had been getting

(diuretic, energy, optimization of my thyroid meds, absence

of " estrogen dominant " symptoms.) Now, at 55 and having been without

a period since a little past age 53, I am now using progesterone 12

days per month, a low-level tri-est, every day (per Schwartzbein and

some of the anti-aging doctors) and I'm getting a period again since

June. I feel great. I think if a woman is going to take estrogen,

she needs to allow a period to come and shed the uterine lining that

builds up each month. I think it is an individual choice and depends

on many factors, but especially how well you feel on natural

HRT....which has been in use since the 60's and does not give a

person the side effects that synthetic HRT is notorious for. It is a

new area of research, for sure...and no one doctor has all the

answers, as you mentioned. One think I have surmised by watching

myself and my friends is that no one hormonal supplement works the

same way in the same amounts we always used, forever - we are

changing, and therefore our requirements and the amounts our bodies

are producing are changing. We are all different as well, with how

much our bodies make to begin with...Uzzi Reiss outlines the three

types of hormonal profiles among women...we are different in what our

bodies produce even in our primes..and so it makes sense we would not

have the same requirments as every other woman out there when we

attempt to replace what we are no longer producing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WmnsHormones

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>>>>>I suspect that there have been many women ahead of us who allowed

meno to be meno, and had no problems.

Yes, Janie. Like your example, my mother also never took any hormone

supplements, nor her mother. Neither did her sister, my Aunt, who, like

me, had a hysterectomy at 40. BUT..... none of them suffered from hot

flashes like I did, either......

Gosh...... we learn so much....... but I still don't know what to do about

so many of these health issues.

.... joan

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What's so bad about a warm (or hot?) flash, anyway? LOL

I'm sure there are some women for whom hot flashes are a mere inconvenience

but for others they are absolutely debilitating.

I share your philosophy that menopause is a natural event, so is childbirth

but I wouldn't have wanted to go through it without pain relief.

I am using just progesterone but without it I would be drenched all day and

all night and lying awake for hours on end is no fun at all (especially when

your partner is sound asleep1)

Lynda (in the UK)

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>>What's so bad about a warm (or hot?) flash, anyway? LOL<<

AH from the mouths of babes! LOL Hot flashes and night sweats ARE

debilitating! I can remember hundreds of nights having to actually change my

sheets they were so wet from me sweating, and even having to sleep on the

couch as the whole bed was wet! I had a Hysterectomy at the old age of 27 so

I can tell you about ALL the symptoms of suddenly having NO female hormones.

I punched out my BF.. Had to jump up to do it and it was literally for

nothing, then I took a handful of sleeping pills cause I felt so rotten for

my rotten temper. I used to drive out to the country to scream in my car

just to relieve the tension I felt constantly. The cat on a hot tin roof

FITS! Tears for anything and nothing, headaches like you have never

imagined. Yes, most women do not go through menopause like this. Thank God!

But some women have these same symptoms even in a normal menopause. I don't

believe HRT is for every woman, but till you've been there, please don't

knock the ones that seek it out.Being in a pet business I probably felt more

guilt than most over taking Premarin for years, but it was survival. It was

not to relieve minor discomforts as many would believe, and I heard that

from my fellows in dogs too that had not been there. NONE of the creams or

yam products worked for me. Progesterone creams then were like using any

cream, and totally did not touch my symptoms. I needed estrogen. Of course

my DR let me stay on it way too long and I eventually went into estrogen

dominance, and now a small amount of Progesterone cream is all I use, but I

DO still have many hot flashes and night sweats. The rest has finally abated

though. I have often wondered if I had gone through menopause normally if I

would have needed the estrogen, but I guess I will never know. My

grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

menopause symptoms, cause as you know, women things were all in our heads.

Thank God we are going beyond that way of thinking!

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 6:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 6:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 6:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:08:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Astrodiana@... writes:

> But you

> soon find out that the hot flashes are really the least of the

> discomforts that go along with estrogen depletion..the sleepless

> nights, the night sweats, the wandering around without sleep day

> after day for weeks or months on end, all wrung out is what really

> wears you down

oh wonderful...something to look forward to

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:08:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Astrodiana@... writes:

> But you

> soon find out that the hot flashes are really the least of the

> discomforts that go along with estrogen depletion..the sleepless

> nights, the night sweats, the wandering around without sleep day

> after day for weeks or months on end, all wrung out is what really

> wears you down

oh wonderful...something to look forward to

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:08:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Astrodiana@... writes:

> But you

> soon find out that the hot flashes are really the least of the

> discomforts that go along with estrogen depletion..the sleepless

> nights, the night sweats, the wandering around without sleep day

> after day for weeks or months on end, all wrung out is what really

> wears you down

oh wonderful...something to look forward to

cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

>

yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

cindi

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LOL you described it to a T! LOL I swear if I heard " What's the matter " one

more time I would KILL the next person asking it...

Artistic Grooming

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LOL you described it to a T! LOL I swear if I heard " What's the matter " one

more time I would KILL the next person asking it...

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> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

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> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

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> My

> grandmother went on Valium.. that's what they used to give women for

> menopause symptoms,

and this was a bad thing?

YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

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>>>>>now a small amount of Progesterone cream is all I use, but I

DO still have many hot flashes and night sweats.

So....... ............ how do we get rid of these darn hot flashes?

Move to the Arctic?

joan

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Great description of hot flashes, . I sometimes had to walk out

in the middle of meetings because I felt like I was going to faint. Very

embarrassing.

....joan

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I have been dreaming of " Groom Cruise Alaska " (yes there is such a thing!)

for several years now! I did get rid of them with Premarin, I am just not

willing to go that route any longer as that is the only remaining symptoms I

have.

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I have been dreaming of " Groom Cruise Alaska " (yes there is such a thing!)

for several years now! I did get rid of them with Premarin, I am just not

willing to go that route any longer as that is the only remaining symptoms I

have.

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Hurricane, West Virginia

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>>>>My older sister too...and now, at nearly 70 she finds she STILL has

hot flashes, although not as often..poor thing.

Oh my gosh - please don't tell me that - it's possible these hot flashes

NEVER go away ??

There has to be a reason that some women have this problem and some do not

and the doctors should be more concerned about finding out WHY....

.... joan

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>>>>My older sister too...and now, at nearly 70 she finds she STILL has

hot flashes, although not as often..poor thing.

Oh my gosh - please don't tell me that - it's possible these hot flashes

NEVER go away ??

There has to be a reason that some women have this problem and some do not

and the doctors should be more concerned about finding out WHY....

.... joan

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:46:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> Now I will be sure to tell hubby that we have not even started! LOL Or,

> maybe I just shouldn't say anything??? LOL

>

>

I am giggling so hard at your post. our poor hubbies. I think I will start

giving mine 1/4 grain so he will be able to endure the next round - menopause.

Cindi

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:46:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> Now I will be sure to tell hubby that we have not even started! LOL Or,

> maybe I just shouldn't say anything??? LOL

>

>

I am giggling so hard at your post. our poor hubbies. I think I will start

giving mine 1/4 grain so he will be able to endure the next round - menopause.

Cindi

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Yes the doctors were a lot dumber back then...my mom's doctor put her on

speed while she was pg with my little brother...she would buzz around the

house cleaning like a freak and eat half a sandwich a day... " healthy "

The Valium was the " Prozac " of the time...they think if they dope you up

enough you'll go away and they can relax, lol..had a lot of nutty housewives

trying to get off of Valium...not a fun withdrawal.

) )

Re: Re: ALL ABOUT PROGESTERONE

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:17:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@... writes:

>

> > YUP when you figure out she became a drug addict from it! LOL

> >

>

> yea...i reckon so. i remember those days actually..back in the 60s they

> handed out the valium like candy...and also speed. my mom had legal

amphetamines

> for weight loss back then - and boy did she keep a clean house.

> cindi