Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

[Guest guest]

Hi ...i'm on my 9th day of diflucan & am noticing improvements ...might be too soon to tell yet? My Candida is a hospital aquired version ( parapsilosis) which both my nd & md have cautioned me "may take longer to see results" ... & with my ND I had tried several natural antifungals first ( no luck) I also had to finally force myself to give up all fruit :*( even berries!!) & squashes ...so I pray I can have this healed by harvest season as those are the things I'm best at growing! ( well, & tomatoes which I also only barely tolerate!) But I am hopeful that the "big guns" of diflucan will get me over the "hump" ...btw,my boss ( my ND) says he's never seen a case of IBD that didn't have yeast as a component ...tho mine is the first that wouldn't respond to his meds! gisele

[Guest guest]

Hi Gisele,Did your ND speculate as to how much of the IBD symptoms come from yeast? How long will you be on Diflucan for?I'm wondering if I should expect the symptoms to return in full force when I come off the Diflucan... Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan, LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:34:31 AMSubject: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

Hi ...i'm on my 9th day of diflucan & am noticing improvements ...might be too soon to tell yet? My Candida is a hospital aquired version ( parapsilosis) which both my nd & md have cautioned me "may take longer to see results" ... & with my ND I had tried several natural antifungals first ( no luck) I also had to finally force myself to give up all fruit :*( even berries!!) & squashes ...so I pray I can have this healed by harvest season as those are the things I'm best at growing! ( well, & tomatoes which I also only barely tolerate!) But I am hopeful that the "big guns" of diflucan will get me over the "hump" ...btw,my boss ( my ND) says he's never seen a case of IBD that didn't have yeast as a component ...tho mine is the first that wouldn't respond to his meds! gisele

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gisele,Did your ND speculate as to how much of the IBD symptoms come from yeast? How long will you be on Diflucan for?I'm wondering if I should expect the symptoms to return in full force when I come off the Diflucan... Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan, LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:34:31 AMSubject: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

Hi ...i'm on my 9th day of diflucan & am noticing improvements ...might be too soon to tell yet? My Candida is a hospital aquired version ( parapsilosis) which both my nd & md have cautioned me "may take longer to see results" ... & with my ND I had tried several natural antifungals first ( no luck) I also had to finally force myself to give up all fruit :*( even berries!!) & squashes ...so I pray I can have this healed by harvest season as those are the things I'm best at growing! ( well, & tomatoes which I also only barely tolerate!) But I am hopeful that the "big guns" of diflucan will get me over the "hump" ...btw,my boss ( my ND) says he's never seen a case of IBD that didn't have yeast as a component ...tho mine is the first that wouldn't respond to his meds! gisele

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,

I actually wonder in my case (lymphocytic colitis) if the cause isn't the yeast

in the first place. My IgG levels were VERY high to candida albicans, and IgG

is a normal immune reaction to a foreign invader. IgG is expressed on

lymphocytes and thus could be seen on a biopsy as elevated lymphocytes.

I personally suspect my amalgam fillings to be playing a role in my overgrowth

(along with fairly heavy antibiotic use as a kid and a horrible diet), but

that's a whole other can of worms.

Shonda

Lymphocytic colitis

SCD Jan 1, 2009

Severe IgG Rxns to Banana, Kiwi, Strawberry, Almonds, Walnuts, Peanuts, Egg

white and yolk, Cow's milk, Candida

Mild IgG reactions to much more

[Guest guest]

Hi Shonda, thanks for writing back. Are you having any luck with reducing symptoms through treating yeast? Have you tried Diflucan? Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan 6 wks (spring 2009), LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent:

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:55:36 AMSubject: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

,

I actually wonder in my case (lymphocytic colitis) if the cause isn't the yeast in the first place. My IgG levels were VERY high to candida albicans, and IgG is a normal immune reaction to a foreign invader. IgG is expressed on lymphocytes and thus could be seen on a biopsy as elevated lymphocytes.

I personally suspect my amalgam fillings to be playing a role in my overgrowth (along with fairly heavy antibiotic use as a kid and a horrible diet), but that's a whole other can of worms.

Shonda

Lymphocytic colitis

SCD Jan 1, 2009

Severe IgG Rxns to Banana, Kiwi, Strawberry, Almonds, Walnuts, Peanuts, Egg white and yolk, Cow's milk, Candida

Mild IgG reactions to much more

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[Guest guest]

oh AMEN sister -i really feel the yeast is the cause of all my probs - and PRAY

treating it fixes them up SOON!!!! I also was overusing antibiotics abd living

off sugar for years!

eileen 16 months scd

>

> ,

>

> I actually wonder in my case (lymphocytic colitis) if the cause isn't the

yeast in the first place. My IgG levels were VERY high to candida albicans, and

IgG is a normal immune reaction to a foreign invader. IgG is expressed on

lymphocytes and thus could be seen on a biopsy as elevated lymphocytes.

>

>

> I personally suspect my amalgam fillings to be playing a role in my overgrowth

(along with fairly heavy antibiotic use as a kid and a horrible diet), but

that's a whole other can of worms.

>

> Shonda

> Lymphocytic colitis

> SCD Jan 1, 2009

> Severe IgG Rxns to Banana, Kiwi, Strawberry, Almonds, Walnuts, Peanuts, Egg

white and yolk, Cow's milk, Candida

> Mild IgG reactions to much more

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have not tried antifungals yet. I am still nursing my daughter and don't want

to expose her to all the toxins those buggers will dump out all at once if I do,

especially the mercury, since they have an affinity for the stuff. My plan is

to gradually start weaning off yeast-feeding foods until I'm pretty much on an

anti-candida diet. Not sure how this will go since I do much better with strict

rules and cold turkey. Then, like I mentioned earlier, I'll try changing my

dental work (properly, using a Huggins protocol dentist, and if I chelate, I'll

use Andy Cutler's method because the other ways seem much more dangerous to me).

I'm crossing my fingers.

Eileen,

I used to think my sugar addiction was lack of will power and that there must be

something wrong with my character that I couldn't restrain myself. Now I

believe it is a physiological addiction due to the yeast. Even on SCD, I tend

to binge on sugary fruits and legal desserts. If eat a couple of raisins, it

won't be long before I've eaten 1/2 a cup or so. I'll go on these rounds of

bingeing and not needing to as much. I believe those desires fluctuate with my

menstrual cycle and seem worse during the second half of my cycle. I I have a

theory as to why, but it's all speculation based on hormone qualities.

Shonda

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I actually wonder in my case (lymphocytic colitis) if the cause isn't the

yeast in the first place. My IgG levels were VERY high to candida albicans, and

IgG is a normal immune reaction to a foreign invader. IgG is expressed on

lymphocytes and thus could be seen on a biopsy as elevated lymphocytes.

> >

> >

> > I personally suspect my amalgam fillings to be playing a role in my

overgrowth (along with fairly heavy antibiotic use as a kid and a horrible

diet), but that's a whole other can of worms.

> >

> > Shonda

> > Lymphocytic colitis

> > SCD Jan 1, 2009

> > Severe IgG Rxns to Banana, Kiwi, Strawberry, Almonds, Walnuts, Peanuts, Egg

white and yolk, Cow's milk, Candida

> > Mild IgG reactions to much more

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have not tried antifungals yet. I am still nursing my daughter and don't want

to expose her to all the toxins those buggers will dump out all at once if I do,

especially the mercury, since they have an affinity for the stuff. My plan is

to gradually start weaning off yeast-feeding foods until I'm pretty much on an

anti-candida diet. Not sure how this will go since I do much better with strict

rules and cold turkey. Then, like I mentioned earlier, I'll try changing my

dental work (properly, using a Huggins protocol dentist, and if I chelate, I'll

use Andy Cutler's method because the other ways seem much more dangerous to me).

I'm crossing my fingers.

Eileen,

I used to think my sugar addiction was lack of will power and that there must be

something wrong with my character that I couldn't restrain myself. Now I

believe it is a physiological addiction due to the yeast. Even on SCD, I tend

to binge on sugary fruits and legal desserts. If eat a couple of raisins, it

won't be long before I've eaten 1/2 a cup or so. I'll go on these rounds of

bingeing and not needing to as much. I believe those desires fluctuate with my

menstrual cycle and seem worse during the second half of my cycle. I I have a

theory as to why, but it's all speculation based on hormone qualities.

Shonda

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I actually wonder in my case (lymphocytic colitis) if the cause isn't the

yeast in the first place. My IgG levels were VERY high to candida albicans, and

IgG is a normal immune reaction to a foreign invader. IgG is expressed on

lymphocytes and thus could be seen on a biopsy as elevated lymphocytes.

> >

> >

> > I personally suspect my amalgam fillings to be playing a role in my

overgrowth (along with fairly heavy antibiotic use as a kid and a horrible

diet), but that's a whole other can of worms.

> >

> > Shonda

> > Lymphocytic colitis

> > SCD Jan 1, 2009

> > Severe IgG Rxns to Banana, Kiwi, Strawberry, Almonds, Walnuts, Peanuts, Egg

white and yolk, Cow's milk, Candida

> > Mild IgG reactions to much more

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Maybe you should try LDN. It's safe for nursing and it will just

> help even out your whole system.

>

> Mara

That's interesting. They have studies that the LDN helps it seems, so I'm

confused. In lymphocytic colitis, the immune system is overactive and the

standard treatment is to take Entocort to slow that down in the gut. I thought

the standard treatments in other bowel diseases too included using drugs to

quiet the immune system like prednisone, so how does stimulating the immune

system help. Is it that prednisone does quite the " improper " immune reaction

going on, but also makes you susceptible to other illnesses and invaders because

you were already immune deficient to start with? Possibly leaving whatever

pathogen(s) may have been playing a role in the initial problem to begin with?

I am beginning to wonder if in my case the immune reaction that is going on

isn't from a faulty immune system, but from a chronic reaction to a pathogen

that has been there for many years.

Hmmmm. So much to chew on. You always have great info Mara, Thanks!

Shonda

[Guest guest]

>

>>

>> Maybe you should try LDN. It's safe for nursing and it will just

>> help even out your whole system.

>>

>> Mara

>

>

> That's interesting. They have studies that the LDN helps it seems,

> so I'm confused. In lymphocytic colitis, the immune system is

> overactive and the standard treatment is to take Entocort to slow

> that down in the gut. I thought the standard treatments in other

> bowel diseases too included using drugs to quiet the immune system

> like prednisone, so how does stimulating the immune system help.

It doesn't stimulate it, it modulates it - evens it out. One thing I

read a while back is that with Crohn's, new (at the time) research

suggested that first there was a delayed reaction to the pathogenic

bacteria and then an overresponse to *fix it*. And the delayed

reaction first allowed the pathogenic bacteria to create a problem and

the over response then created a typical auto-immune response, ending

up by attacking itself.

Somehow - and I'm not sure of all the chemistry - the increased

endorphin production

seems to even out the whole response, not to mention every other side

benefit it gives,

which are manifold. One of which is making the diet easier as well,

by allowing greater

toleration of food stuffs. Other things, too, like pain suppressant,

enhanced moods,

increased sexual energy, feelings of endorphin high=runner's high, Etc.

I can't see the downside to this stuff.

LDN is about $20.00 a month or a little less or more depending on how

much you buy

at a time.

I can see how suppressing the immune system is necessary for

transplants, etc, but

it strikes me as the opposite of a model for wellness with a disease

you have to

manage for a long time or lifelong.

Anyway, between SCD, LDN, 24 yogurt, and tons of yoga, I'm feeling the

best that

I've been in a long, long time.

> Is it that prednisone does quite the " improper " immune reaction

> going on, but also makes you susceptible to other illnesses and

> invaders because you were already immune deficient to start with?

> Possibly leaving whatever pathogen(s) may have been playing a role

> in the initial problem to begin with?

>

> I am beginning to wonder if in my case the immune reaction that is

> going on isn't from a faulty immune system, but from a chronic

> reaction to a pathogen that has been there for many years.

If so, the LDN will help with that.

But in any case, these two things are related. You have a chronic

reaction because

you have a genetic susceptibility in your gut. The pathogen triggers

the reaction.

> Hmmmm. So much to chew on. You always have great info Mara, Thanks!

Glad to help.

Mara

[Guest guest]

That's great to hear Mara. I've only recently started LDN, but I'm really hoping to get the same results you've found with it. I believe the SCD was helping, but I wasn't progressing to foods beyond stage 2/3. From the reading I've been doing, teh SCD and LDN seem to offer the most potential benefits with the least side effects. I'm really hoping the combination works well for me. Unfortunately my IgG allergy testing showed a low level reaction to dairy, so my doctor has suggested I stay away from dairy for the time being, so I'm not using the 24-hour yogurt. However i am taking lots of dairy free probiotics. One question: how long did you take to notice the effects of LDN? How long have you been on it? Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since

Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan 6 wks (spring 2009), LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 10:48:32 AMSubject: Re: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

>

>>

>> Maybe you should try LDN. It's safe for nursing and it will just

>> help even out your whole system.

>>

>> Mara

>

>

> That's interesting. They have studies that the LDN helps it seems,

> so I'm confused. In lymphocytic colitis, the immune system is

> overactive and the standard treatment is to take Entocort to slow

> that down in the gut. I thought the standard treatments in other

> bowel diseases too included using drugs to quiet the immune system

> like prednisone, so how does stimulating the immune system help.

It doesn't stimulate it, it modulates it - evens it out. One thing I

read a while back is that with Crohn's, new (at the time) research

suggested that first there was a delayed reaction to the pathogenic

bacteria and then an overresponse to *fix it*. And the delayed

reaction first allowed the pathogenic bacteria to create a problem and

the over response then created a typical auto-immune response, ending

up by attacking itself.

Somehow - and I'm not sure of all the chemistry - the increased

endorphin production

seems to even out the whole response, not to mention every other side

benefit it gives,

which are manifold. One of which is making the diet easier as well,

by allowing greater

toleration of food stuffs. Other things, too, like pain suppressant,

enhanced moods,

increased sexual energy, feelings of endorphin high=runner' s high, Etc.

I can't see the downside to this stuff.

LDN is about $20.00 a month or a little less or more depending on how

much you buy

at a time.

I can see how suppressing the immune system is necessary for

transplants, etc, but

it strikes me as the opposite of a model for wellness with a disease

you have to

manage for a long time or lifelong.

Anyway, between SCD, LDN, 24 yogurt, and tons of yoga, I'm feeling the

best that

I've been in a long, long time.

> Is it that prednisone does quite the "improper" immune reaction

> going on, but also makes you susceptible to other illnesses and

> invaders because you were already immune deficient to start with?

> Possibly leaving whatever pathogen(s) may have been playing a role

> in the initial problem to begin with?

>

> I am beginning to wonder if in my case the immune reaction that is

> going on isn't from a faulty immune system, but from a chronic

> reaction to a pathogen that has been there for many years..

If so, the LDN will help with that.

But in any case, these two things are related. You have a chronic

reaction because

you have a genetic susceptibility in your gut. The pathogen triggers

the reaction.

> Hmmmm. So much to chew on. You always have great info Mara, Thanks!

Glad to help.

Mara

Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

[Guest guest]

That's great to hear Mara. I've only recently started LDN, but I'm really hoping to get the same results you've found with it. I believe the SCD was helping, but I wasn't progressing to foods beyond stage 2/3. From the reading I've been doing, teh SCD and LDN seem to offer the most potential benefits with the least side effects. I'm really hoping the combination works well for me. Unfortunately my IgG allergy testing showed a low level reaction to dairy, so my doctor has suggested I stay away from dairy for the time being, so I'm not using the 24-hour yogurt. However i am taking lots of dairy free probiotics. One question: how long did you take to notice the effects of LDN? How long have you been on it? Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since

Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan 6 wks (spring 2009), LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 10:48:32 AMSubject: Re: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

>

>>

>> Maybe you should try LDN. It's safe for nursing and it will just

>> help even out your whole system.

>>

>> Mara

>

>

> That's interesting. They have studies that the LDN helps it seems,

> so I'm confused. In lymphocytic colitis, the immune system is

> overactive and the standard treatment is to take Entocort to slow

> that down in the gut. I thought the standard treatments in other

> bowel diseases too included using drugs to quiet the immune system

> like prednisone, so how does stimulating the immune system help.

It doesn't stimulate it, it modulates it - evens it out. One thing I

read a while back is that with Crohn's, new (at the time) research

suggested that first there was a delayed reaction to the pathogenic

bacteria and then an overresponse to *fix it*. And the delayed

reaction first allowed the pathogenic bacteria to create a problem and

the over response then created a typical auto-immune response, ending

up by attacking itself.

Somehow - and I'm not sure of all the chemistry - the increased

endorphin production

seems to even out the whole response, not to mention every other side

benefit it gives,

which are manifold. One of which is making the diet easier as well,

by allowing greater

toleration of food stuffs. Other things, too, like pain suppressant,

enhanced moods,

increased sexual energy, feelings of endorphin high=runner' s high, Etc.

I can't see the downside to this stuff.

LDN is about $20.00 a month or a little less or more depending on how

much you buy

at a time.

I can see how suppressing the immune system is necessary for

transplants, etc, but

it strikes me as the opposite of a model for wellness with a disease

you have to

manage for a long time or lifelong.

Anyway, between SCD, LDN, 24 yogurt, and tons of yoga, I'm feeling the

best that

I've been in a long, long time.

> Is it that prednisone does quite the "improper" immune reaction

> going on, but also makes you susceptible to other illnesses and

> invaders because you were already immune deficient to start with?

> Possibly leaving whatever pathogen(s) may have been playing a role

> in the initial problem to begin with?

>

> I am beginning to wonder if in my case the immune reaction that is

> going on isn't from a faulty immune system, but from a chronic

> reaction to a pathogen that has been there for many years..

If so, the LDN will help with that.

But in any case, these two things are related. You have a chronic

reaction because

you have a genetic susceptibility in your gut. The pathogen triggers

the reaction.

> Hmmmm. So much to chew on. You always have great info Mara, Thanks!

Glad to help.

Mara

Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

[Guest guest]

That's great to hear Mara. I've only recently started LDN, but I'm really hoping to get the same results you've found with it. I believe the SCD was helping, but I wasn't progressing to foods beyond stage 2/3. From the reading I've been doing, teh SCD and LDN seem to offer the most potential benefits with the least side effects. I'm really hoping the combination works well for me. Unfortunately my IgG allergy testing showed a low level reaction to dairy, so my doctor has suggested I stay away from dairy for the time being, so I'm not using the 24-hour yogurt. However i am taking lots of dairy free probiotics. One question: how long did you take to notice the effects of LDN? How long have you been on it? Crohn's: Since July 2005, Dx Sept 2008SCD: Since

Sept 2008Meds: Duiflucan 6 wks (spring 2009), LDN since Aril 2009To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 10:48:32 AMSubject: Re: Re:Amazing Improvement on Diflucan + SCD

>

>>

>> Maybe you should try LDN. It's safe for nursing and it will just

>> help even out your whole system.

>>

>> Mara

>

>

> That's interesting. They have studies that the LDN helps it seems,

> so I'm confused. In lymphocytic colitis, the immune system is

> overactive and the standard treatment is to take Entocort to slow

> that down in the gut. I thought the standard treatments in other

> bowel diseases too included using drugs to quiet the immune system

> like prednisone, so how does stimulating the immune system help.

It doesn't stimulate it, it modulates it - evens it out. One thing I

read a while back is that with Crohn's, new (at the time) research

suggested that first there was a delayed reaction to the pathogenic

bacteria and then an overresponse to *fix it*. And the delayed

reaction first allowed the pathogenic bacteria to create a problem and

the over response then created a typical auto-immune response, ending

up by attacking itself.

Somehow - and I'm not sure of all the chemistry - the increased

endorphin production

seems to even out the whole response, not to mention every other side

benefit it gives,

which are manifold. One of which is making the diet easier as well,

by allowing greater

toleration of food stuffs. Other things, too, like pain suppressant,

enhanced moods,

increased sexual energy, feelings of endorphin high=runner' s high, Etc.

I can't see the downside to this stuff.

LDN is about $20.00 a month or a little less or more depending on how

much you buy

at a time.

I can see how suppressing the immune system is necessary for

transplants, etc, but

it strikes me as the opposite of a model for wellness with a disease

you have to

manage for a long time or lifelong.

Anyway, between SCD, LDN, 24 yogurt, and tons of yoga, I'm feeling the

best that

I've been in a long, long time.

> Is it that prednisone does quite the "improper" immune reaction

> going on, but also makes you susceptible to other illnesses and

> invaders because you were already immune deficient to start with?

> Possibly leaving whatever pathogen(s) may have been playing a role

> in the initial problem to begin with?

>

> I am beginning to wonder if in my case the immune reaction that is

> going on isn't from a faulty immune system, but from a chronic

> reaction to a pathogen that has been there for many years..

If so, the LDN will help with that.

But in any case, these two things are related. You have a chronic

reaction because

you have a genetic susceptibility in your gut. The pathogen triggers

the reaction.

> Hmmmm. So much to chew on. You always have great info Mara, Thanks!

Glad to help.

Mara

Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

[Guest guest]

That's great to hear Mara. I've only recently started LDN, but I'm really hoping to get the same results you've found with it. I believe the SCD was helping, but I wasn't progressing to foods beyond stage 2/3. From the reading I've been doing, teh SCD and LDN seem to offer the most potential benefits with the least side effects. I'm really hoping the combination works well for me. Unfortunately my IgG allergy testing showed a low level reaction to dairy, so my doctor has suggested I stay away from dairy for the time being, so I'm not using the 24-hour yogurt. However i am taking lots of dairy free probiotics. I was off dairy for about 5 months - but I've noticed a huge overall improvement since I went back on yogurt - started with the yogurt about a month ago - and now this last week have been eating some cheese, too. Probably could do without thecheese, but it is so good, yum!! (Not surprising from a former cheese addict. But will I be one again?) But at this point I feel that the yogurt has been being extremely efficacious - asthough time away from it increased it's potency. I noticed a positive effectfrom it pretty much right after I went back to it. You could try almond milk yogurt, which I made a bunch of times, but- um! - it's a bit weird. OTOH, probiotics. ( I also ate a bunch of kimchi andsauerkraut when I was off of it). OTOH, weird food! Even by SCD standards! <g> One question: how long did you take to notice the effects of LDN?I noticed some improvement right away. But some of that was indirect,like decreased gut pain and feelings of well being. Then, about a month in, I had a flare - I had a small taste of somethingillegal - which is what I thought started it, but it might have been a range of things, because, apparently, at about that point the immune systemswitches over from T4 to T3 or something - whatever the hell that means???- so apparently it is normative for there to be in increase in symptomsduring that period. How long have you been on it?Started sometime in november. But it's a process of increasing wellness - like SCD. It doesn't all kick in at once - so don't expect that. And I'm still susceptible to things like stress - which makes mereactive, etc. Mara