Re: Re: Drugs vs diet/exercise

[Guest guest]

> Atkins himself spoke of his way of eating as the perfect way of eating for

diabetics.

Well of course. He wanted to sell his books. But I don't agree. In his diet

when you reach your goal, you add back carbs until you start gaining weight

again, not until your BGs reach unacceptable levels.

>It is against the rules of the diet to have all your daily carbs in one

sitting...you're supposed to break up and spread the carbs throughout the

day to avoid BG surges.

Where in the " New Diet Revolution " does it say that? Maybe you have the

" Diabetes Revolution. " One problem with the Atkins books is that they have

so much hype it's difficult to find the rules of the diet.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> Atkins himself spoke of his way of eating as the perfect way of eating for

diabetics.

Well of course. He wanted to sell his books. But I don't agree. In his diet

when you reach your goal, you add back carbs until you start gaining weight

again, not until your BGs reach unacceptable levels.

>It is against the rules of the diet to have all your daily carbs in one

sitting...you're supposed to break up and spread the carbs throughout the

day to avoid BG surges.

Where in the " New Diet Revolution " does it say that? Maybe you have the

" Diabetes Revolution. " One problem with the Atkins books is that they have

so much hype it's difficult to find the rules of the diet.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> Atkins himself spoke of his way of eating as the perfect way of eating for

diabetics.

Well of course. He wanted to sell his books. But I don't agree. In his diet

when you reach your goal, you add back carbs until you start gaining weight

again, not until your BGs reach unacceptable levels.

>It is against the rules of the diet to have all your daily carbs in one

sitting...you're supposed to break up and spread the carbs throughout the

day to avoid BG surges.

Where in the " New Diet Revolution " does it say that? Maybe you have the

" Diabetes Revolution. " One problem with the Atkins books is that they have

so much hype it's difficult to find the rules of the diet.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I forgot about chana dal, which is a type of lentil with an extremely low

GI. You can buy it in Indian grocery stores. There's one in Brattleboro.

Mendosa has numerous recipes for chana on his site. I also used it to

make crackers. The recipe for that is on his site.

If you can't find chana, regular lentils would be the next-best thing. Soy

beans are another option.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I forgot about chana dal, which is a type of lentil with an extremely low

GI. You can buy it in Indian grocery stores. There's one in Brattleboro.

Mendosa has numerous recipes for chana on his site. I also used it to

make crackers. The recipe for that is on his site.

If you can't find chana, regular lentils would be the next-best thing. Soy

beans are another option.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I forgot about chana dal, which is a type of lentil with an extremely low

GI. You can buy it in Indian grocery stores. There's one in Brattleboro.

Mendosa has numerous recipes for chana on his site. I also used it to

make crackers. The recipe for that is on his site.

If you can't find chana, regular lentils would be the next-best thing. Soy

beans are another option.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

LOL I don't have the book with me at work, mainly because I stopped following

the diet after a two-year stall. But, I do remember in DANDR it is one of the

rules to divide up the carbs during the day, and it's specifically stated that

this is to avoid blood sugar spikes. I'll look it up tonight.

I'm not a huge fan of Atkins, though I think he had some good things to say.

Probably the " take home " idea from his work is that we all should replace some

carbs with protein, get most of our carbs from vegetables and fruit, eat good

fats, eliminate sugar and refined grains, and emphasize fiber content in

carbohydrate-rich foods.

Gretchen wrote:

>It is against the rules of the diet to have all your daily carbs in one

sitting...you're supposed to break up and spread the carbs throughout the

day to avoid BG surges.

Where in the " New Diet Revolution " does it say that? Maybe you have the

" Diabetes Revolution. " One problem with the Atkins books is that they have

so much hype it's difficult to find the rules of the diet.

Gretchen

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[Guest guest]

I believe that that's true in my area as well. Big Lots had some low

carb mixes for $1 a box; then I saw them in a super Walmart for $.75.

Sue

>

> [bTW, if you *do* like Atkins stuff, the discount store next to the

> Brattleboro Coop was selling Atkins muffin mixes for 10 cents and some

> other

> LC products at heavy discounts. I think because the LC fad has peaked,

> a lot

> of stores are stuck with LC products that aren't selling.]

[Guest guest]

I always thought that if I went on insulin, I could manage on just a

bolus insulin, along with my metformin. Do you think that would work?

How is your regimen working for you on just a basal? Sue

>

>> Gretchen, do you also use a bolus insulin for meals? Sue

>

> No.

[Guest guest]

Prob they are discounted because most of that stuff tastes YUCK! & the

rest is full of sugar alcohols.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 1/05 A1c: 5.4 = 115 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Chromium P, Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

3/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

> I always thought that if I went on insulin, I could manage on just a

> bolus insulin, along with my metformin. Do you think that would work?

It depends on your situation. I'm on a LC diet, so I don't spike after

meals. I just wanted a slightly lower basal BG.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

If you can't tolerate meat and can't tolerate vegetables and can't tolerate

starches because of the diabetes, you've got a tough nut to crack. I hope

you're not celiac. Do you know *why* you can't tolerate meat and vegetables?

Gretchen

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I had a pancreatic tumor (benign) removed 6 years ago and only have half of my

digestive system left. Of course, since they figured I would be dead in 3

months, I will deal with the lack of digestion - it just goes against all the

things I should be eating. Of course, anything white digests just fine which

is why I don't think I have Celiac, but only the tests will tell. If it is true,

then I am going for the big bucks - gonna become a big time celebrity who can

survive on eating virtual food

Barb in NH

[Guest guest]

> Prob they are discounted because most of that stuff tastes YUCK! & the

> rest is full of sugar alcohols.

I don't think people who aren't diabetic care if something is full of sugar

alcohols. I agree most of the stuff tastes awful, but the 10-cent muffins

were worth 10 cents, I'd say. However, I don't have much interest in muffins

now. If anyone is passing through southern Vermont and wants a free box of

LC chocolate muffin mix, let me know.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> I had a pancreatic tumor (benign) removed 6 years ago and only have half

of my digestive system

Ah that's right. I have trouble keeping track of who has what.

I assume you take digestive enzymes. I don't know much about this condition

so I won't offer any advice.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> I'm not a huge fan of Atkins

Me neither, but he did call attention to LC diets.

> eat good fats

This was not in Atkins. Most of the recipes in his original books had a lot

of saturated fat.

This is one reason I worked with the authors of the GO diet to update their

book (now called the Four Corners Diet). I thought a LC diet was the best

for many people with diabetes, but too many of them said their doctors were

horrified when they heard they were on the high-saturated-fat Atkins diet. I

thought the doctors would be better able to accept a LC diet with better

fats. And with the support of their doctors, patients would be more apt to

stick with a diet.

However, before our book came out, some other people with bigger advertising

budgets came up with the same idea (South Beach, Hamptons Diet), so it never

took off. I still think Four Corners is healthier, as it places more

emphasis on whole foods, doesn't require special oils that are difficult to

find, and doesn't let you eat more carbs when you've reached your goal

weight, which I think is for most people a license to go back to where they

were.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

So...if you're going to inject twice a day, why not just use UL?

I betcha the detimier will be at least twice as expensive as UL.

I know UL doesn't work well for everyone but it's certainly worth a try.

It works great for me.

Vicki

Re: Re: Drugs vs diet/exercise

>

> I have using Lantus and, overall am quite satisfied with it. It seems

> to last the full 24 hors for me, but that might be because I only use

> 38-40 units. That said, I have had one nasty hypo while using it. A

> couple months ago, I took my usual 40U shot at about 11:30 p.m. and

> went to bed. About 1:00 am I woke up, sweaty and confused, and headed

> to the kitchen. My wife saw me and wondered what i was doing but

> could

> not get any meaningful response from me. I apparently decided to

> check

> my blood sugar but was unable to operate my Freestyle tracker meter (a

> PDA that has a freestyle meter attached to it). She called the

> Paramedics who found my BS level was 46! After being given 25 gms of

> glucose which raised my BS to about 180 and I had pretty well

> recovered, I declined a ride to the ER. What caused the event, IMHO,

> I

> think that I nicked a blood vessel and a large portion of the Lantus

> got into the blood stream. I did have a fairly good sized leakage of

> blood from the injection site. As a result and with the concurrence

> of

> my Doctor, I switched my Lantus injection to the morning, with the

> idea

> that if I was going to have another hypo, I wanted to have it while I

> was awake and could do something about it before it got too bad. So

> far, so good, no hypos to test this with.

>

> Detimir, according to my Doctor, is a long acting basal insulin and

> will be able to be injected twice a day (like UL), and can have the

> morning and evening doses adjusted (again like UL) to suit the

> individual's needs. Should be even better than Lantus in that

> respect.

>

>

>

>>

>> 3-Lantus DOES have a peak. While it is a much lower peak than NPH, it

>> is

>> still a peak and if your bedtime is like me, later than the normal

>> assumed

>> bedtime of most, the delayed activation period of an hour and a

>> half

>> plus the little peak can cause nasty hypos regardless of the study

>> Lantus

>> just

>> put out that DMers using Lantus do not have middle of the night

>> hypos.

>>

>> My last conclusion is strictly a personal one. IMHO, in spite of

>> Aventis,

>> Lantus is a good product for me BUT I do not feel comfortable putting

>> my

>> diabetic needs in the hands of a company that does not understand

>> their

>> product or understand that one insulin program fits all DMers. So,

>> even

>> though Aventis has just introduced a new bolus insulin to compete

>> with

>> Novolog and humalog, I am not even curious about it and I am looking

>> forward to Novo getting final approval for detimir, which is supposed

>> to

>> be on a similar line with Lantus. When detimir comes out I will cross

>> my

>> fingers and hope that it works well for me so I can say bye bye to

>> Aventis. Novo has been in the insulin business since 1926 and they

>> have

>> served me well so I trust them, which for me is important.

>>

>

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> Maurer

> Type II diabetic since 4/87

> (diet, exercise, & meds)

> Insulin dependent Type II since 9/04

> (diet, exercise, Lantus, Humalog, & Metformin XR)

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