RE: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via Phone

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll come

> ot me in a minute......

I saw it. I think what Janie is saying is that docs make it all so

complicated most of the time...with the labs and everything...when all one

really has

to do is give someone some Armour and let them dose up until symptoms are

gone. if they would do that in the first place...with a whole lot of the low

thyroid symptoms (skin disorders, IBS, fibro, foot problems, depression,

etc.)...I

think the conditions would not get so bad.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll come

> ot me in a minute......

I saw it. I think what Janie is saying is that docs make it all so

complicated most of the time...with the labs and everything...when all one

really has

to do is give someone some Armour and let them dose up until symptoms are

gone. if they would do that in the first place...with a whole lot of the low

thyroid symptoms (skin disorders, IBS, fibro, foot problems, depression,

etc.)...I

think the conditions would not get so bad.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll come

> ot me in a minute......

I saw it. I think what Janie is saying is that docs make it all so

complicated most of the time...with the labs and everything...when all one

really has

to do is give someone some Armour and let them dose up until symptoms are

gone. if they would do that in the first place...with a whole lot of the low

thyroid symptoms (skin disorders, IBS, fibro, foot problems, depression,

etc.)...I

think the conditions would not get so bad.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:15:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I whole heartedly agree that most docs rely too much on blood tests.

> But I also don't think we should disregard them either

Debbie,

I know there was no criticism intended anywhere. In fact, aside from the

light humor Janie and I saw, I think we both probably appreciate a doctor who is

actually looking at labs in an intelligent way. So many of them don't seem to

be able to understand and analyze labs in a way that is beneficial to their

patient. And it does sound like he's a great doctor. And his approach was

definitely interesting and he sounds informed. So please don't take any

offense.

I sincerely hope he is helpful to your daughter and I am sure their is a

connection since you have the Hashi's. I'm actually thinking of trying my 25

year old daughter on some Armour.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:51:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I'm so glad when we dont' understand, we can get clarification. This is

> a great group!

>

I agree. This is one place i can come too and feel loved and accepted and

not judged for my hypo limitations.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll come

ot me in a minute......

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

Hi Debbie. Glad that you found a great doc and like him! But I had

to chuckle after reading it all. Can you just see a pre-1975 Armour

doc--the ones who only dosed by symptoms--reading all this?? LOL.

Their eyes would have bugged out of their sockets, because all they

would have done is given her Armour and told her to dose until her

symptoms were gone. LOL.

Janie

> First we look for antibiodies. Both Kates TPO and

antithyroglobulin

> were negative so she does not have an autoimmune disease. Next we

look

> for production, conversion or reception problems.. The higher the

TSH

> the more the pituitary thinks there is a problem. A high TSH

indicates

> a production problem. Now we compare the T4 to the T3. We want

the T4

> to be lower and to have a difference of only about 10 percentage

points.

> Kates T4 is lower, but the difference is 66 points. The low T4

> indicates there is a production problem of which some component is

> iodine deficiency.

>

> If the T3 had been low and the T4 high, a conversion problem would

be indicated. If both had been high, it would have indicated a

reception problem.

[Guest guest]

I see and there are certainly not even any remotely hard feelings

here. I guess the reason it wasn't humorous to me is that it's not that

simple with Kate. Children are not as verbal, at least Kate's not.

It's great to have blood tests to help us figure things out.

Kate's symptoms are few. She has been diagnosed as ADD (maybe it's

the brain fog we all talk about) She has long periods (we all know that

can be thyroid related). She's a little depressed (thyroid). She can't

get to sleep at night and doesn't rest good when she does then can't get

up in the morning (adrenal). So I'm thinking we should explore this

thyroid thing, especially since I am hashi's.

I whole heartedly agree that most docs rely too much on blood tests.

But I also don't think we should disregard them either. With Kate's

labs, most docs would have said she fine, her ranges are normal and sent

us on our way. But not Doc Milton, b/c he listened. And I didn't think

his approach was complicated at all. I could have given less detail,

but included it for the newbies on board. For those of us who are not

so new to this, I thought the percentages were interesting.

Doc Milton is not relying on the blood tests only. We have

discussed symptoms and he examined her in the office. I think he wanted

to do Adrenal support for a while before starting the Armour.

Meanwhile, the labs came in. They confirmed what he was thinking. I

was just reporting what he said the blood work was showing for our

education and, for the purpose of this post, didn't see the need to go

into symptoms. I didn't mean to imply that he pays little or no

attention to symptoms. I just don't want anyone getting the wrong

impression of Doc Milton. He is everything we say we want in a doc.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll

come

> ot me in a minute......

I saw it. I think what Janie is saying is that docs make it all so

complicated most of the time...with the labs and everything...when all

one really has

to do is give someone some Armour and let them dose up until symptoms

are

gone. if they would do that in the first place...with a whole lot of

the low

thyroid symptoms (skin disorders, IBS, fibro, foot problems, depression,

etc.)...I

think the conditions would not get so bad.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I see and there are certainly not even any remotely hard feelings

here. I guess the reason it wasn't humorous to me is that it's not that

simple with Kate. Children are not as verbal, at least Kate's not.

It's great to have blood tests to help us figure things out.

Kate's symptoms are few. She has been diagnosed as ADD (maybe it's

the brain fog we all talk about) She has long periods (we all know that

can be thyroid related). She's a little depressed (thyroid). She can't

get to sleep at night and doesn't rest good when she does then can't get

up in the morning (adrenal). So I'm thinking we should explore this

thyroid thing, especially since I am hashi's.

I whole heartedly agree that most docs rely too much on blood tests.

But I also don't think we should disregard them either. With Kate's

labs, most docs would have said she fine, her ranges are normal and sent

us on our way. But not Doc Milton, b/c he listened. And I didn't think

his approach was complicated at all. I could have given less detail,

but included it for the newbies on board. For those of us who are not

so new to this, I thought the percentages were interesting.

Doc Milton is not relying on the blood tests only. We have

discussed symptoms and he examined her in the office. I think he wanted

to do Adrenal support for a while before starting the Armour.

Meanwhile, the labs came in. They confirmed what he was thinking. I

was just reporting what he said the blood work was showing for our

education and, for the purpose of this post, didn't see the need to go

into symptoms. I didn't mean to imply that he pays little or no

attention to symptoms. I just don't want anyone getting the wrong

impression of Doc Milton. He is everything we say we want in a doc.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kirkland@... writes:

> I guess the brain fog is bad today, I'm not seeing the humor. It'll

come

> ot me in a minute......

I saw it. I think what Janie is saying is that docs make it all so

complicated most of the time...with the labs and everything...when all

one really has

to do is give someone some Armour and let them dose up until symptoms

are

gone. if they would do that in the first place...with a whole lot of

the low

thyroid symptoms (skin disorders, IBS, fibro, foot problems, depression,

etc.)...I

think the conditions would not get so bad.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I thought it interesting too. That's why I shared. I think the bottom

line with Doc Milton is symptoms also. The labs are just useful tools,

but definitely not the only one.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

Cindi's got it. The pre-1975 doc, with no labs and information like

we have today, would have been amazed at all the info and facts that

Milton was able to give you. I've always felt the same way about

DaVinci--he was absolutely brilliant, but lived in a much more

simple society. And wouldn't HE have been amazed by computers and

the mathematical info we know now!!

But the bottom line, really, is not percentages and numbers...it's

symptoms and treating them. But it's interesting what he gave you!!

I've heard good things about him.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I see now. Actually I understood it after Janie's last post.

I'm so glad when we dont' understand, we can get clarification. This is

a great group!

Blessings,

Debbie K.

-----Original Message-----

From: nc2406@...

Debbie,

I know there was no criticism intended anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I see now. Actually I understood it after Janie's last post.

I'm so glad when we dont' understand, we can get clarification. This is

a great group!

Blessings,

Debbie K.

-----Original Message-----

From: nc2406@...

Debbie,

I know there was no criticism intended anywhere.

[Guest guest]

*

Kate's symptoms are few. She has been diagnosed as ADD (maybe it's

the brain fog we all talk about) She has long periods (we all know that

can be thyroid related). She's a little depressed (thyroid). She can't

get to sleep at night and doesn't rest good when she does then can't get

up in the morning (adrenal). So I'm thinking we should explore this

thyroid thing, especially since I am hashi's.

My son sounds just like Kate (except the periods lol ) and he is doing very

well on Amour. It has been only 3 months now, but the improvements are

numerous. His basil temp has normalized too. I just read in Dr. Young's

book Thyroid Guardian of Health, that the dose for kids was twice that of

adults. Yet, our holistic doc said the labs would let the TSH's of kids get

as high as 10 before they would flag them...Doesn't match up does it.

Anyway, my son's TSH was 3.5, and he is currently on 1 grain of armour. I

want to get a retest soon, although my doctor thought it might confuse me.

My husband has hashi's and I have long standing hypoT, that is just not

being treated adequately. Anyway, my son would surely have inherited the

tendency. Sorry it took me 8 years to check into it. If my own thyroid

hadn't crashed the first part of this year, I would have never figured it

out.

nne

..

[Guest guest]

Hmmmmmmmmm ......... maybe a blessing in disguise?

-----Original Message-----

From: nne Skoog

If my own thyroid

hadn't crashed the first part of this year, I would have never figured

it

out.

nne

..

[Guest guest]

Hmmmmmmmmm ......... maybe a blessing in disguise?

-----Original Message-----

From: nne Skoog

If my own thyroid

hadn't crashed the first part of this year, I would have never figured

it

out.

nne

..

[Guest guest]

Hmmmmmmmmm ......... maybe a blessing in disguise?

-----Original Message-----

From: nne Skoog

If my own thyroid

hadn't crashed the first part of this year, I would have never figured

it

out.

nne

..

[Guest guest]

>>Because they don't matter, " and he laughed and said that was true. Then

he told me to continue to gradually increase my Armour until I thought I was

where I needed to be!<<

OK now I'm just plain dam jealous! LOL WHY can't I find a doctor like that?

Course that's what I am doing anyway, but it would have been SO nice to do

it with a doctor's blessings.... and years ago.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

>>Because they don't matter, " and he laughed and said that was true. Then

he told me to continue to gradually increase my Armour until I thought I was

where I needed to be!<<

OK now I'm just plain dam jealous! LOL WHY can't I find a doctor like that?

Course that's what I am doing anyway, but it would have been SO nice to do

it with a doctor's blessings.... and years ago.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

>>Because they don't matter, " and he laughed and said that was true. Then

he told me to continue to gradually increase my Armour until I thought I was

where I needed to be!<<

OK now I'm just plain dam jealous! LOL WHY can't I find a doctor like that?

Course that's what I am doing anyway, but it would have been SO nice to do

it with a doctor's blessings.... and years ago.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

I wish everyone on this list could experience what we have with these " Top

Docs. "

B.

yes we are lucky indeed. Now if Hurricane Frances would turn out to sea, I

would feel even luckier.

nne

[Guest guest]

You're in my prayer . Is there anyone else on the group in it's

path? I live in the southeast corner of Alabama so it looks like it's

comming my way too. But it will be much less destructive by the time it

gets here.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

RE: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

Marrianne,

I was just going to say something about that. This one kind of scares

me. We were in the same house during and only lost our power for

literally 10 seconds. But was small compared to this one and

we're going to have a long night and day of rain and wind. I just hope

everything goes well for all of us.

My parents, 85 and 83 (Mom's hypo and on $ynthroid!) have to stay with

us because they're in a moble home. I've been coming home from work

(yes, I'm reclusive, too!) and working until 1:00 am all week making

sure the house is ready and we have provisions, so I'm exhausted. Took

a little more IsoCort today and an extra 1/4 grain of Armour and I'm

doing OK. The beginning of the storm is supposed to start during the

night, so I doubt if we'll sleep well. My hubby works for the Postal

Service (nights) and he has to go in tonight after putting up the

shutters until about 2:30 today after working all night, so he's

exhausted, too. Hopefully, they'll let them go home early. Anyway,

this is going to be interesting for us hypo's in Florida for the next

couple of days.

NO PRESSURE!!!! LOL

[Guest guest]

is around here too.

Interesting that I took an extra dose of HC and armour today and yesterday

too, just like said.we are doing the right thing, and have learned so

much from groups like this for sure!

Thanks for your prayers Debbie!

nne

_____

From: Debbie K.

Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:09 PM

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Subject: RE: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

You're in my prayer . Is there anyone else on the group in it's

path? I live in the southeast corner of Alabama so it looks like it's

comming my way too. But it will be much less destructive by the time it

gets here.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

[Guest guest]

is around here too.

Interesting that I took an extra dose of HC and armour today and yesterday

too, just like said.we are doing the right thing, and have learned so

much from groups like this for sure!

Thanks for your prayers Debbie!

nne

_____

From: Debbie K.

Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:09 PM

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Subject: RE: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

Phone

You're in my prayer . Is there anyone else on the group in it's

path? I live in the southeast corner of Alabama so it looks like it's

comming my way too. But it will be much less destructive by the time it

gets here.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

[Guest guest]

My daughter lives in Palm Beach and my surrogate daughter lives in Coral

Springs or west Ft Laud

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: RE: Re: Report on Doc Milton Visit via

>Phone

>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:09:22 -0500

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Sorry to be so far behind in e-mails. I hope you fared well. (I don't

even remember which hurricane this was. LOL) My husband works for the

post office too. He's a letter carrier. Our experience has been that we

can't evacuate because by the time the post office let's my husband off,

it's too late or they are expecting him to be back so soon that leaving

wouldn't make sense! I'm in Va. and we would go to my brother's in Tn.

if we left.

Have you seen the post office to be this way?

I sure hope you all are OK!

in VA.

PS. One hurricane we had, my husband found out later that people were

told to tell their mailman to come in and no one told him! He carries a

cell phone with him now.

Marrianne,

I was just going to say something about that. This one kind of scares

me. We were in the same house during and only lost our power for

literally 10 seconds. But was small compared to this one and

we're going to have a long night and day of rain and wind. I just hope

everything goes well for all of us.

My parents, 85 and 83 (Mom's hypo and on $ynthroid!) have to stay with

us because they're in a moble home. I've been coming home from work

(yes, I'm reclusive, too!) and working until 1:00 am all week making

sure the house is ready and we have provisions, so I'm exhausted. Took

a little more IsoCort today and an extra 1/4 grain of Armour and I'm

doing OK. The beginning of the storm is supposed to start during the

night, so I doubt if we'll sleep well. My hubby works for the Postal

Service (nights) and he has to go in tonight after putting up the

shutters until about 2:30 today after working all night, so he's

exhausted, too. Hopefully, they'll let them go home early. Anyway,

this is going to be interesting for us hypo's in Florida for the next

couple of days.

NO PRESSURE!!!! LOL

B.

nne Skoog wrote:

I wish everyone on this list could experience what we have with these

" Top

Docs. "

B.

yes we are lucky indeed. Now if Hurricane Frances would turn out to

sea, I

would feel even luckier.

nne

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Sorry to be so far behind in e-mails. I hope you fared well. (I don't

even remember which hurricane this was. LOL) My husband works for the

post office too. He's a letter carrier. Our experience has been that we

can't evacuate because by the time the post office let's my husband off,

it's too late or they are expecting him to be back so soon that leaving

wouldn't make sense! I'm in Va. and we would go to my brother's in Tn.

if we left.

Have you seen the post office to be this way?

I sure hope you all are OK!

in VA.

PS. One hurricane we had, my husband found out later that people were

told to tell their mailman to come in and no one told him! He carries a

cell phone with him now.

Marrianne,

I was just going to say something about that. This one kind of scares

me. We were in the same house during and only lost our power for

literally 10 seconds. But was small compared to this one and

we're going to have a long night and day of rain and wind. I just hope

everything goes well for all of us.

My parents, 85 and 83 (Mom's hypo and on $ynthroid!) have to stay with

us because they're in a moble home. I've been coming home from work

(yes, I'm reclusive, too!) and working until 1:00 am all week making

sure the house is ready and we have provisions, so I'm exhausted. Took

a little more IsoCort today and an extra 1/4 grain of Armour and I'm

doing OK. The beginning of the storm is supposed to start during the

night, so I doubt if we'll sleep well. My hubby works for the Postal

Service (nights) and he has to go in tonight after putting up the

shutters until about 2:30 today after working all night, so he's

exhausted, too. Hopefully, they'll let them go home early. Anyway,

this is going to be interesting for us hypo's in Florida for the next

couple of days.

NO PRESSURE!!!! LOL

B.

nne Skoog wrote:

I wish everyone on this list could experience what we have with these

" Top

Docs. "

B.

yes we are lucky indeed. Now if Hurricane Frances would turn out to

sea, I

would feel even luckier.

nne