Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 if you weigh more than 50 pounds and you were tested after the RAI and have NO thyroid function, then at 2 grains, those results surprise me. I would get off the synthroid and up to 2 1/2 grains if you have no actual thyroid production of your own for sure. I can tell you not all people that have had RAI lost all thyroid function. I thought they did till I talked to many people. For some it just slows. help!!!!!!!! > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 why would my tsh be so high if my t4 is low and my t3 ____________________ The pituitray output of TSH is most efecteced by T4, more so than T3. The pituitary is monitoring T4 levels more than T3 for determining it's response. Also, every person is very different and the normal T3 level for you might be higher than your normal appearing test levels. In this case your pituitary would sense that you have become low in T3 also based on what was normal for you in the past, and respond with increased TSH. But, low T4 is probably most responsible for high TSH. The pituitray often developes problems in hypothryoidism. On study found that about 40% of thyroid patients have some type of pituitray problems. Over time hypothyroidism causes the pituitary not to respond to low levels of thryoid like it should and auto-antibodies in some thyroid diseases can attack it too. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 why would my tsh be so high if my t4 is low and my t3 ____________________ The pituitray output of TSH is most efecteced by T4, more so than T3. The pituitary is monitoring T4 levels more than T3 for determining it's response. Also, every person is very different and the normal T3 level for you might be higher than your normal appearing test levels. In this case your pituitary would sense that you have become low in T3 also based on what was normal for you in the past, and respond with increased TSH. But, low T4 is probably most responsible for high TSH. The pituitray often developes problems in hypothryoidism. On study found that about 40% of thyroid patients have some type of pituitray problems. Over time hypothyroidism causes the pituitary not to respond to low levels of thryoid like it should and auto-antibodies in some thyroid diseases can attack it too. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 please explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > easy, get a new DR > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " ptahia " <ptahia@y...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > > > > > >To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > > > > > >Subject: help!!!!!!!! > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 please explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > easy, get a new DR > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " ptahia " <ptahia@y...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > > > > > >To: NaturalThyroidHormones > > > > > > >Subject: help!!!!!!!! > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 I do not have Graves, but talk with many people per day on all this. I always thought that the thyroid was totally destroyed with the radiation. Take a healthy thyroid. It produces what would be the equivalent of about 4 grains of Armour plus some t4, give or take. As I watched people talk about doses after RAI, it occurred to me that either they felt like sh$T from too low a dose replacement dose of thyroid, or they were still making some thyroid on their own. I have spoken to many people and 5 DR's on this. It appears that the RAI is not to always totally kill the gland, just stop in from over producing and some die all at once, some die slowly kind of like Hashi and some restart. This has been a real eye opener for me. At 2 grains of Armour, think about how little that is. I spoke to a coroner who said he is sure after autopsy many thyroids function after RAI and many so called healthy people have sever thyroid issues. That is why my comments were as stated. With little thyroid or no natural thyroid function, I would think you need the t4 and t3. I wish I knew more about all that, but if it were me, I would both. help!!!!!!!! > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 I do not have Graves, but talk with many people per day on all this. I always thought that the thyroid was totally destroyed with the radiation. Take a healthy thyroid. It produces what would be the equivalent of about 4 grains of Armour plus some t4, give or take. As I watched people talk about doses after RAI, it occurred to me that either they felt like sh$T from too low a dose replacement dose of thyroid, or they were still making some thyroid on their own. I have spoken to many people and 5 DR's on this. It appears that the RAI is not to always totally kill the gland, just stop in from over producing and some die all at once, some die slowly kind of like Hashi and some restart. This has been a real eye opener for me. At 2 grains of Armour, think about how little that is. I spoke to a coroner who said he is sure after autopsy many thyroids function after RAI and many so called healthy people have sever thyroid issues. That is why my comments were as stated. With little thyroid or no natural thyroid function, I would think you need the t4 and t3. I wish I knew more about all that, but if it were me, I would both. help!!!!!!!! > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 I do not have Graves, but talk with many people per day on all this. I always thought that the thyroid was totally destroyed with the radiation. Take a healthy thyroid. It produces what would be the equivalent of about 4 grains of Armour plus some t4, give or take. As I watched people talk about doses after RAI, it occurred to me that either they felt like sh$T from too low a dose replacement dose of thyroid, or they were still making some thyroid on their own. I have spoken to many people and 5 DR's on this. It appears that the RAI is not to always totally kill the gland, just stop in from over producing and some die all at once, some die slowly kind of like Hashi and some restart. This has been a real eye opener for me. At 2 grains of Armour, think about how little that is. I spoke to a coroner who said he is sure after autopsy many thyroids function after RAI and many so called healthy people have sever thyroid issues. That is why my comments were as stated. With little thyroid or no natural thyroid function, I would think you need the t4 and t3. I wish I knew more about all that, but if it were me, I would both. help!!!!!!!! > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:50:08 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2004 Report Share Posted August 23, 2004 This is a full day late, but Tish, I am totally with you on this, from what I've been seeing both in myself and some other people. I think that, for those who have very strong conversion problems, a " whole bunch " is better, but it simply doesn't hold true for everyone. At this point, from what I'm learning about myself, I may very well have been one of those people with a very naturally high output of T4, with pretty fair conversion, and a nice high normal or just above normal of T3. I'm doing my testing pretty quickly now, and I think that I will know this fairly certainly, but I also know that my body has changed in it's reception of these hormones, mainly because of having been chronically undertreated for so darn long. Since I don't really have any way of knowing what kind of output my originally healthy thyroid was doing, since no doctor ever ran the Frees on me at all, then I may never know. (Darn these doctors!) We just can't put everyone into one basket here. When my T4 was barely below " normal " , I had a 35 plus TSH and a Free T3 in the lower to midrange of normal, so mine was hounding my thyroid for more T4, evidently. Same thing, 3 months later, at a 10 something TSH, even with the TSH inside " normal " . It was only when my Free T4 went just past the midpoint, going t'wd the upper range, that my TSH was finally knocked down to a 0.05 or 0.06 (memory problems here)/ Then there are the antibodies, and no telling how long they've been around, since noone ever bothered to tell me what they were until these Groups, then I ran my own tests for that even. It's just really hard to get a good picture until we've played around with it for awhile, but we have to be so careful and scrutinize this very closely. We're all so different from one another. Re: help!!!!!!!! > why would my tsh be so high if my t4 is low and my > t3 > ____________________ > The pituitray output of TSH is most efecteced by T4, more so than > T3. The pituitary is monitoring T4 levels more than T3 for > determining it's response. Also, every person is very different and > the normal T3 level for you might be higher than your normal > appearing test levels. In this case your pituitary would sense that > you have become low in T3 also based on what was normal for you in > the past, and respond with increased TSH. But, low T4 is probably > most responsible for high TSH. > > The pituitray often developes problems in hypothryoidism. On study > found that about 40% of thyroid patients have some type of pituitray > problems. Over time hypothyroidism causes the pituitary not to > respond to low levels of thryoid like it should and auto-antibodies > in some thyroid diseases can attack it too. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2004 Report Share Posted August 23, 2004 > Re: _______________ According to Werner and Ingbar's " The Thyroid " healthy people have huge ranges of thryoid levels that are normal for them and in fact many people with normal thyroid function are way outside (above) the called normal test ranges. These people are not included in determining the ranges as they will throw them off too much - too much statistical variation. In figuring out ranges, anything that is too high or low is thrown out. They just consider the narrow bit in the middle where the majority of people reside. But, that could leave as much as 25% outside the range who are perfectly healthy. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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