RE: Re: The paper we all want to read

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I didn't even bring that factor in on it, the fact that people

think that they are supposed to be feeling this way, so they say that they

feel " fine " . So who knows how many people who say they're doing fine on the

synthetic T4, actually aren't. I was just allowing for those who say that

they do. I know I never did, and I also, at one time, swallowed a doctor's

admonishments that it " must be something else " .

Re: Re: The paper we all want to read

>

> >>and yes, there are some people who seem to do fine on synthetic T4.<<

>

> I have to put in my .02 here. MANY of the people that say they are doing

> " fine " on synthetic T4 only are also being convinced they ARE doing fine

on

> it. For quite some time I believed my thyroid was fine while I was on

> Synthroid. I attributed my exhaustion to age (yup ripe old age of 33-38!)

my

> work (yes it is physical work grooming dogs) and I also THOUGHT my doctors

> knew best so I believed them. Not only was I NOT fine, I was doing serious

> damage to my body though this belief as LONG TERM hypothyroid that is

> undertreated causes so many systems in the body to fail eventually. But it

> is a slow process most of the time, so we live with it. Thinking we are

> fine, just getting older. I feel MUCH better right now than I did at 35

> years old, and I am soon to be 50! Live & learn.

>

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I didn't even bring that factor in on it, the fact that people

think that they are supposed to be feeling this way, so they say that they

feel " fine " . So who knows how many people who say they're doing fine on the

synthetic T4, actually aren't. I was just allowing for those who say that

they do. I know I never did, and I also, at one time, swallowed a doctor's

admonishments that it " must be something else " .

Re: Re: The paper we all want to read

>

> >>and yes, there are some people who seem to do fine on synthetic T4.<<

>

> I have to put in my .02 here. MANY of the people that say they are doing

> " fine " on synthetic T4 only are also being convinced they ARE doing fine

on

> it. For quite some time I believed my thyroid was fine while I was on

> Synthroid. I attributed my exhaustion to age (yup ripe old age of 33-38!)

my

> work (yes it is physical work grooming dogs) and I also THOUGHT my doctors

> knew best so I believed them. Not only was I NOT fine, I was doing serious

> damage to my body though this belief as LONG TERM hypothyroid that is

> undertreated causes so many systems in the body to fail eventually. But it

> is a slow process most of the time, so we live with it. Thinking we are

> fine, just getting older. I feel MUCH better right now than I did at 35

> years old, and I am soon to be 50! Live & learn.

>

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

> 2) I believe

> that the human system cannot tell the differencce between natural

> and synthetic, just as in fertilizers for plants:

I will go one further on this. I think it depends HUGELY on the synthetic

and how closely it resembles the natural product. Tell this to a woman that

has had a hysterectomy at a young age and is given synthetic hormones

verses " natural " . That is if you can consider Premarin a natural human

hormone. While we may come close in manufacturing products the human body

can use similarly to the natural ones, unless we are actually cloning the

real thing, there are going to be nuances of the real thing we don't get

right. They may not show up for a while, but eventually there WILL be a

difference.

Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

AMEN!!! Although I did not get as bad as many on this board, I have

that emotional tie also. I have been on $inthroid and I am now on

Armour. I will never go back! I would take the opinions of someone

with no 'emotional/physiological investment' with a grain of salt.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

> I have no investment pro or con, because 1) I have no

>emotional/physiological investment in thyroid diseases

Those of us who have thyroid disease have a huge

emotional/physiological investment in thyroid disease. And those of

us who have been on T4-only meds, and then on Armour, definitely

know the difference, no matter what studies and papers and research

says!!

Janie

[Guest guest]

It is that the scientific research that has brought Armour to us. But

so much of the later research is flawed. It is influenced by major drug

companies who stand to profit by certain outcomes. Honesty, integrity

and objectivity and the patients best interest are thrown out the

window. We do not live in the same moral God-fearing society we once

did and that is reflected in every area of society. When how patients

respond goes contrary to the research so much of the time, that it is

the research that is faulty, not the patient. A prime example of that

the the heavy reliance on TSH. A patient can have a low, TSH and still

have hypo symptoms and the doc says, 'your tsh is low, you are hyper,

these hypo symptoms are all in your head' AAARRGGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: The paper we all want to read

Science, for the most part, attempts to remove subjectivity from the

equation, and for good reason. An example of one of them is my

forgetting my affliction with hepatits B to come over here and talk

about thyroid disorders. The paradox for me is that I may come close

to chatisement for not wishing to indulge in a scar-showing ritual,

but point to the possibility of taking a more 'reptilian' gaze at

the evidence, so that subjectivity does not interfere to the point

that we are blinded to other turths.

Just because one feels the difference in meds does not discount

scientific research. I'm wonderiung how many of the authors I've

quoted recently would call their work 'basic' research?

The phrase 'no matter what studies and papers and research says'

seems to bite the hand that feeds: Armour would not have gotten

developed without scientists and doctors who put in long hours of

studying, at least getting us to the point in thyroid research that

we are today.

CH

> > I have no investment pro or con, because 1) I have no

> >emotional/physiological investment in thyroid diseases

>

> Those of us who have thyroid disease have a huge

> emotional/physiological investment in thyroid disease. And those

of

> us who have been on T4-only meds, and then on Armour, definitely

> know the difference, no matter what studies and papers and

research

> says!!

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Well, I appeared happy to others (can't judge a book by it's cover) and

I ran circles around others (even though it was taking more and more of

a toll on me). I was in denial about the depression and tiredness b/c I

had a reputation to keep up. It was not until I was diagnosed with

hashi's that I didn't care what other's thought and began admitting

defeat. I was not supposed to have a disease but that diagnosis made me

face the fact that I am vulnerable. I finally began my search for

wellness and I'm so glad I did!

Blessings,

Debbie K.

Re: The paper we all want to read

> Growing numbers of folks are coming forward on this, and yes,

there are some people who seem to do fine on synthetic T4.

At least they " think " they are doing fine. LOL. My sister-in-

law " appears " to be doing great on her T4. Yes, she doesn't have the

extreme fatigue and adrenal reactions I had, and yes, she has more

energy I had, and yes, she isn't depressed like I was. She's happy

and runs circles around me when I was on T4. Yet, when you question

her, you find out that she has high cholesterol, and some aches

(which she is attributing to her arthritis), and does get tired

earlier at night.

And....when folks come into my store, and notice my signs, and tell

me they are on T4, I say to them that I can somewhat tell them what

symptoms they have because of being on T4---and bar none, EVERY ONE

says Yes, I have that, and Yes, I have this.

Hmmmm.

Janie