Thank you all so much

July 18, 1999

Patti:

Keep your chin up until tomorrow. Your husband sounds like a nut. I have a

sister that just got married and her husband is crazy too. He is always

making her laugh and that is something my sister needed in her life. Her

husband of 20 years was the time to say, you too fat, you spend too much, the

house is dirty. Never thanks.

Your husband is going through some tough times and ofcouse you are the one

that will take all the grief until he knows something.

My prayers for you.

Sue AIH

Wisconsin

November 26, 2006

Hi Lelita,

you're welcome. I'm glad your husband has that attitude. However,

if things do start looking worse for you, this could be part of the

die off or healing and that could be a concern if he misinterprets

this as a failure of the diet, or that you're somehow being

nutritionally deprived.

Please consider that aspect of it, because upon starting this diet

and giving up these things, it's quite normal and in fact, very

common to get worse for a time and if you or your husband are not

prepared for that, you may opt out of the diet before giving things

chance to turn around.

Also, things do not normally improve on an upward scale at first,

they can seem to go around in cirlces or like a roller coaster ride,

with symptoms swirling and a person feeling bad on different levels

before some improvements are noted.

So long as YOU are prepared for that, maybe your husband will in time

start to understand the healing crisis, especially if you begin to

improve. THen he will appreciate this and it's a learning curb for

all of us, and him too! Takes a long time before people accept

things and at first they oppose it, argue it and are cynical towards

it. Later, they begin to accept it when things become evident and

they see the changes in their spouse/partner.

Take care and your husband is a good man! He just needs to see

sometimes initial worsenings, are signs of toxic elimination. That

may take some convincing

.

>

July 1, 2007

Dear Judith,

I am sorry to read your post so late and was not there on time to help you with

my little knowledge and experience about pain. I hope you are feeling better by

now, I gave some recommendations to for her husband, may those be

useful for you too.In your recent post you are talking about taking calcium,

there are some points that we should pay attention to when we need to take

calcium.

Based on research and clinical experience, plus the studies of world renowned

experts. taking more than a low dose calcium supplements is unnecessary and

taking calcium alone is worthless.

multivitamin / mineral supplements with an additional vitamin c, plus a

small dose of calcium/magnesium make the most sense, vitamin D3, Chromium,

silicon and boron are beneficial additions.

medical literature is filled with many articles supporting the view that

calcium supplementation in huge doses, particularly without the necessary

cofactors, is not the way to control or prevent osteoporosis.

magnesium vitamin d and other essential nutrients are vitally important to

control calcium. these nutrients are the key to maximum calcium

utilization.without these vital nutrients you could be overdosing on

calcium. when calcium alone is taken in high dosage, calcium absorption

actually decreases. this is an example of your body's control mechanism

protecting you from toxicity.

I wish you the very best of heath,

Peace Soudi

Certified Holistic Nutrition Consultant

July 2, 2007

THANKS FOR THIS INFO. WE ALL REALLY NEED TO KNOW THIS. THANKS MARYLOU

MARYLOU

July 2, 2007

However, if your doctor has prescribed calcium with D3 (as mine has)

I think you should follow your doctor's advice or at least discuss it

with your doctor before discontinuing the treatment! Rahaee, could

we please have links to the research and studies of " world renowned

experts " ? Thanks.

regards to all,

sherry z

July 5, 2007

Hi Sherry,

The references are:

a.. Heaney RP and WeaverCM, calcium absorption from Kale.Am J Clin Nutr

51,656,657,1990

b.. Bourgoin BP, DR,Cornett JR,et al, Lead content in 70 brands of

dietary calcium supplements.Am J public-health 83,1155-1160,1993.

c.. Recker R, calcium absorption and achlorhydria.NEngl J Med 313,70-73,1985

d.. Encyclopaedia of Nutritional supplements by Dr

Murray,N.D.149-158.1996

e.. Startling New Facts About Osteoporosis by Dr Betty Kamen Ph.D 1989 (I

think this book is really useful to be read by all women over 50)

please pay attention: my recommendations and protocols for nutritional support

are not intended as a substitute for appropriate medical care.

Make your physician aware of all the nutritional supplements or herbal

products you are currently taking or you are going to take, to avoid any

negative interactions with any drug you are taking.

I wish you the very best of heath,

Peace soudi

July 6, 2007

Thank you. I don't see how the first 3 references apply to what you

posted about calcium supplements. The closest is the one about lead

content, but most other articles I found on that subject pointed out

that this is expected to be more germaine to supplements for children

than for adults and that there is not enough evidence to warrant

discontinuing calcium supplements. Could you be more specific about

what you read in these articles that lead to this conclusion?

The book (encyclopedia) by Murray I did not purchase, but I did find

several articles about him and his books on quackwatch dot com.

Likewise for Betty Kamen, PhD, both on quackwatch and herbalwatch and

the Canadian equivalent of quackwatch. I am skeptical of both these

people and urge anyone who is being influenced by them to at least do

some additional research on their claims and note that they are not

being published in peer-reviewed medical journals to my knowledge.

Thanks for any more specific info you can provide!

regards,

sherry z

>

> Hi Sherry,

>

> The references are:

> a.. Heaney RP and WeaverCM, calcium absorption from Kale.Am J Clin

Nutr 51,656,657,1990

> b.. Bourgoin BP, DR,Cornett JR,et al, Lead content in 70

brands of dietary calcium supplements.Am J public-health 83,1155-

1160,1993.

> c.. Recker R, calcium absorption and achlorhydria.NEngl J Med

313,70-73,1985

> d.. Encyclopaedia of Nutritional supplements by Dr

Murray,N.D.149-158.1996

> e.. Startling New Facts About Osteoporosis by Dr Betty Kamen Ph.D

1989 (I think this book is really useful to be read by all women over

50)

July 6, 2007

Dear All,

At the request of a dear friend from the list, I have followed this thread

very closely. It appears that some people are beginning to spout certain

information as " truth " when, in fact, that information is not based on solid

scientific (or even clinical) studies. Some people have again begun to make

claims that if you follow certain health or diet regimens or take certain

supplements, that you will be magically cured of PA. Let it be said,

emphatically,

that there is almost no scientific data to back up these claims. Citing old

studies of little relevance to the claims is hardly scientific proof.

Quoting people who have written books whose sole purpose is to make the author

rich

or to cultivate a list of followers is not helpful to the members of this

list. It is, in fact, the opposite, as it can cause people to delay seeking

proper treatment or cause people with very limited financial resources to throw

their money away on things that enrich the vendors of these products but do

nothing to help people with PA.

IF you have an allergy to nightshades, elimating nightshades from your diet

will reduce inflammation. IF you have an allergy to gluten, you should, of

course, eliminate gluten products from your diet. However, if you don't have

allergies to certain foods, eliminating them from your diet will NOT reduce

your pain and inflammation. It is extremely important to our health as human

beings that we eat things that are good for us and that we follow sensible

diets, but it has not been demonstrated by any " accepted " scientific studies

that following certain diets, or taking certain supplements will help cure

disease. Our disease is one of many that has no known cure. None. Anyone who

makes claims to the contrary is doing you harm. A healthy diet and a healthy

body should not normally require one to take supplements. If your diet and

your body have satisfactory levels of nutrients and minerals, taking things

you don't need will not help you. IF your doctor has detected vitamin or

mineral deficiencies, THESE and only these should be regulated via supplements.

Our disease is a progressive one. That means that unless it is treated by

proper medications, it will likely worsen over time. Maintaining a healthy

diet and fitness regimen will serve you well, however, it will NOT cure PA.

There are some medications (DMARDS and Biologics) that have been SCIENTIFICALLY

shown to slow the progression of the disease. There are other medications

that have been shown to be helpful in reducing pain and inflammation.

These are the things that people with PA should be researching, investigating

and discussing with quality medical advisors (i.e. not quacks who are looking

to get rich) in addition to the common sense advice to eat healthy, watch your

weight and exercise as best you can.

Please do not risk your health, time and money following the advice of folks

whose " cures " and " treatments " are unfounded. IF these things had merit,

the developers of these routines would have received Nobel prizes. They

wouldn't need to reach out to desperate sufferers via lists such as this. If

it

sounds too good to be true, it is. Don't let anyone cause you harm by delaying

you from getting the care and treatment you need as a person living with PA.

Bless you, Sherry, for keeping this list balanced and focussed on reality.

Kathy F.

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