RE: More on the Differences between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

[Guest guest]

That is great! Your time is actually very respectable! Great job!

I can't wait to bikeride this spring/summer! I just bought a helmet

for my munchkin and confirmed that my dd's still fits. I got the

bike trailer and I'm ready to go!

Cheyenne

[Guest guest]

Mitch,

The treadmill pulls your foot/feet back for you when you're running, while you

actually have to do that on your own when you're running outside. I think this

is the biggest difference between running inside and outside. I also find that

I have more of a bounce when I run on a treadmill, while the trails don't offer

me the same resistance. =)

As far as training is concerned, the best way to train for a race is run on the

course you're actually going to be racing on. Obviously that's not possible 99%

of the time, so I've been running outdoors as much as possible to at least get

myself used to the extra exertion. My Dad (former state track star in

middle/high school)said that you should also be able to run twice the distance

you're actually going to race. So, in theory, I should be up to 6.4 miles if

I'm doing a 5K. My step-mom immediately shut him down on that theory, saying

that's only if you're hardcore. =) Maybe someday I will be, but I'll be lucky

to be up to 3.5 miles by the time I run the Race for the Cure in May. =)

I totally understand what you mean about working harder when you're running

outdoors versus on a treadmill. I am significantly faster on a treadmill than I

am on a trail. But, I'm still a beginner. I'm starting Week 7, Day 1 of C25K

on Monday, so I can't walk in between jogging times anymore. =) And don't

think you're running slow either. I'm only down to 11 minutes a mile, so I

think 10.4 is great!!!

Still running,

175/157.8/130

More on the Differences between Treadmill and

Outdoor Running

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

> somewherebetwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what

> read on my pedometer,

> 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

> (I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in

> 33 minutes,

> 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

> that'spretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I

> was exhausted,

> really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

> the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

> pace -

> and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

> got so

> tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

> mimic'inghow I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great

> when the weather

> is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

> weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

> recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> (for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

> and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

> triathlons -

> anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, - I can see that running on the road is more of an effort

and I'll

bed doing more of that to get ready for my 5K in June. Don't every see

myself

running double that distance though (but then again, never thought I'd see

myself running the length of my driveway - LOL). I may just survive this

5K, but I'll do it. Thanks for the encouragement on the speed - I don't

need to be a speed demon - as long as its' respectable.

In the meantime, I need to also get ready for my 5/1 bike ride (25 or

38 miles - haven't decided yet) - I went out for 16.3 miles this A.M.

Where I impressed myself was speed - 13.8 MPH average on a nice

day (but with a light wind) and a route that was partially flat, partially

rolling hills. As I've mentioned, 10-12 MPH last year was my

average. I know my climbing is stronger, I think my legs are stronger

due to the running and I can push higher gears more easily.

Mitch

ibeforej@... wrote:

>Mitch,

>

>The treadmill pulls your foot/feet back for you when you're running, while you

actually have to do that on your own when you're running outside. I think this

is the biggest difference between running inside and outside. I also find that

I have more of a bounce when I run on a treadmill, while the trails don't offer

me the same resistance. =)

>

>As far as training is concerned, the best way to train for a race is run on the

course you're actually going to be racing on. Obviously that's not possible 99%

of the time, so I've been running outdoors as much as possible to at least get

myself used to the extra exertion. My Dad (former state track star in

middle/high school)said that you should also be able to run twice the distance

you're actually going to race. So, in theory, I should be up to 6.4 miles if

I'm doing a 5K. My step-mom immediately shut him down on that theory, saying

that's only if you're hardcore. =) Maybe someday I will be, but I'll be lucky

to be up to 3.5 miles by the time I run the Race for the Cure in May. =)

>

>I totally understand what you mean about working harder when you're running

outdoors versus on a treadmill. I am significantly faster on a treadmill than I

am on a trail. But, I'm still a beginner. I'm starting Week 7, Day 1 of C25K

on Monday, so I can't walk in between jogging times anymore. =) And don't

think you're running slow either. I'm only down to 11 minutes a mile, so I

think 10.4 is great!!!

>

>Still running,

>

>175/157.8/130

>

> More on the Differences between Treadmill

and Outdoor Running

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>somewherebetwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what

>>read on my pedometer,

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>(I'll

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in

>>33 minutes,

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>that'spretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I

>>was exhausted,

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>the

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>pace -

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>got so

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

>>the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>mimic'inghow I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great

>>when the weather

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

>>to be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

>>on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

>>training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

>>recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

>>(for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

>>can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

>>and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>triathlons -

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cheyenne.... and good luck on your riding ... I've never pulled my

kids around on the bike ... up until recently, it was enough that I pulled

my weight around .... LOL !!!!

Mitch

cheyennemorfit wrote:

>That is great! Your time is actually very respectable! Great job!

>

>I can't wait to bikeride this spring/summer! I just bought a helmet

>for my munchkin and confirmed that my dd's still fits. I got the

>bike trailer and I'm ready to go!

>

>Cheyenne

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Last summer, I was 7 mos pregnant (about 250 lbs) and I took my dd

out in the trailer. So I was pulling around me, my bike, trailer

and dd! Needless to say I was exhausted and felt pretty stupid

thinking I could do that 7 mos pg! LOL

Cheyenne

> Thanks Cheyenne.... and good luck on your riding ... I've never

pulled my

> kids around on the bike ... up until recently, it was enough that

I pulled

> my weight around .... LOL !!!!

>

> Mitch

[Guest guest]

For me, one of the biggest difference in running outside versus on

the mill is the wind resistance. You don't get that inside, but you

have to work extra hard against it outside, so not only may it slow

you down, but it means you're working harder to do the same work you

would be doing inside. I use the treadmill when I have to (due to

weather normally), but I prefer to run outside anyway. I know some

people that do almost all their training on mills, and they run long

distances. I think it is just personal preference.

I've noticed it's always an adjustment (going from inside to out, and

vice versa), but I can usually adapt rather quickly once I get going.

I think your pace is great! My long distance race pace is much slower

than than my 5K race pace. I usually average an 11 or an 11:30 for

anything over 5 miles, but I can do a 5K in an average of about 9:30

or 10. My goal is to get my 5K race pace to about an even 9, with my

long distance race pace around 10:30, if possible.

April

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

somewhere

> betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

pedometer,

> 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

(I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

minutes,

> 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

that's

> pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

exhausted,

> really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

pace -

> and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

got so

> tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

mimic'ing

> how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

weather

> is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

> weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

> recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> (for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

> and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

triathlons -

> anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

[Guest guest]

Don't knock yourself for running " slow " (a 10 1/2 minute mile is

awesome!), at least you are out doing it! I've also noticed a huge

difference on the treadmill vs. outdoors. So when it got close to

race time this last time around, I started running outside more. As

far as training 2 sports, if you find out something, let me know!

in OKC <><

238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

somewhere

> betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

pedometer,

> 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

(I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

minutes,

> 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

that's

> pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

exhausted,

> really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

pace -

> and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

got so

> tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

mimic'ing

> how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

weather

> is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

> weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

> recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> (for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

> and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

triathlons -

> anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

[Guest guest]

Don't knock yourself for running " slow " (a 10 1/2 minute mile is

awesome!), at least you are out doing it! I've also noticed a huge

difference on the treadmill vs. outdoors. So when it got close to

race time this last time around, I started running outside more. As

far as training 2 sports, if you find out something, let me know!

in OKC <><

238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

somewhere

> betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

pedometer,

> 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

(I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

minutes,

> 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

that's

> pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

exhausted,

> really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

pace -

> and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

got so

> tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

mimic'ing

> how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

weather

> is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

> weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

> recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> (for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

> and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

triathlons -

> anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

[Guest guest]

Don't knock yourself for running " slow " (a 10 1/2 minute mile is

awesome!), at least you are out doing it! I've also noticed a huge

difference on the treadmill vs. outdoors. So when it got close to

race time this last time around, I started running outside more. As

far as training 2 sports, if you find out something, let me know!

in OKC <><

238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

somewhere

> betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

pedometer,

> 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

(I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

minutes,

> 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

that's

> pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

exhausted,

> really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

pace -

> and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

got so

> tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

mimic'ing

> how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

weather

> is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

> weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

> recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> (for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

> and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

triathlons -

> anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

[Guest guest]

Thanks, - not knocking myself at all, but I am trying to test my

limits. This

morning was chilly and foggy (even though the weatherman says it will go

up to

87 today) - nevertheless, I decided to go for a run. The route I chose is

partly hilly (especially the first mile - with 3 good size hills). For

the first

time, I made a conscious effort to push up those hills, to maintain my

pace -

that made a big difference ..... I improved my pace over the 2.5 mile route

to 24:11 (6.2 MPH) or a 9.67 minute mile ... my previous best had been

25:45 (5.82 MPH).... I'm so pumped!!!!

Mitch

strawberry37@... wrote:

>Don't knock yourself for running " slow " (a 10 1/2 minute mile is

>awesome!), at least you are out doing it! I've also noticed a huge

>difference on the treadmill vs. outdoors. So when it got close to

>race time this last time around, I started running outside more. As

>far as training 2 sports, if you find out something, let me know!

>

> in OKC <><

>238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

>>the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

>>to be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

>>on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

>>training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

>>recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

>>(for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

>>can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

>>and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, - not knocking myself at all, but I am trying to test my

limits. This

morning was chilly and foggy (even though the weatherman says it will go

up to

87 today) - nevertheless, I decided to go for a run. The route I chose is

partly hilly (especially the first mile - with 3 good size hills). For

the first

time, I made a conscious effort to push up those hills, to maintain my

pace -

that made a big difference ..... I improved my pace over the 2.5 mile route

to 24:11 (6.2 MPH) or a 9.67 minute mile ... my previous best had been

25:45 (5.82 MPH).... I'm so pumped!!!!

Mitch

strawberry37@... wrote:

>Don't knock yourself for running " slow " (a 10 1/2 minute mile is

>awesome!), at least you are out doing it! I've also noticed a huge

>difference on the treadmill vs. outdoors. So when it got close to

>race time this last time around, I started running outside more. As

>far as training 2 sports, if you find out something, let me know!

>

> in OKC <><

>238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

>>the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

>>to be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

>>on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

>>training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

>>recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

>>(for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

>>can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

>>and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

April,

Yes - I agree about the wind and working harder to do the same work.

Definitely have

seen that. As one who's just beginning to be an outdoor runner, I do

prefer it vs. the

treamill as long as the weather is good. I don't think I'll be hardcore

enough to go out

in the rain and snow - I'm not even that hardcore about bicycling (my

preferred sport).

I think for me, it will be treadmill in bad weather ---

running/bicycling in good weather. One

other difference I've found - on the treadmill, once I start I'm OK. On

the road, after the

first 20-30 steps, I'm like " I can't do this " --- I have to really force

myself through the

first 3-5 minutes, before I settle into a rythm.

I just posted in another post, that I worked on improving my pace

today and did

well coming in at under a 10 minute mile (by pushing myself on the

hills). 9 1/2 miles

on a 5K is fantastic. When I do mine on 6/5, my goal is 33 minutes

(that's 10.65 MPH)

- I figure that's agressive for my first formal race, but not too

aggressive ... and it gives

me a chance to best it and feel great about it :-)

Mitch

arminor75 wrote:

>For me, one of the biggest difference in running outside versus on

>the mill is the wind resistance. You don't get that inside, but you

>have to work extra hard against it outside, so not only may it slow

>you down, but it means you're working harder to do the same work you

>would be doing inside. I use the treadmill when I have to (due to

>weather normally), but I prefer to run outside anyway. I know some

>people that do almost all their training on mills, and they run long

>distances. I think it is just personal preference.

>

>I've noticed it's always an adjustment (going from inside to out, and

>vice versa), but I can usually adapt rather quickly once I get going.

>

>I think your pace is great! My long distance race pace is much slower

>than than my 5K race pace. I usually average an 11 or an 11:30 for

>anything over 5 miles, but I can do a 5K in an average of about 9:30

>or 10. My goal is to get my 5K race pace to about an even 9, with my

>long distance race pace around 10:30, if possible.

>

>April

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

>>the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

>>to be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

>>on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

>>training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they

>>recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

>>(for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

>>can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else

>>and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My step-mom, , told me that running in a race gives you a totally

different feeling than when you're just running to train or for fun.

She said the adrenaline just kicks in and that it's just an awesome

feeling. I bet you'll beat your goal for mph if my SM is correct. I'm

hoping I have the same results in my race in May. =)

Re: Re: More on the Differences

between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

April,

Yes - I agree about the wind and working harder to do the same work.

Definitely have

seen that. As one who's just beginning to be an outdoor runner, I do

prefer it vs. the

treamill as long as the weather is good. I don't think I'll be hardcore

enough to go out

in the rain and snow - I'm not even that hardcore about bicycling (my

preferred sport).

I think for me, it will be treadmill in bad weather ---

running/bicycling in good weather. One

other difference I've found - on the treadmill, once I start I'm OK. On

the road, after the

first 20-30 steps, I'm like " I can't do this " --- I have to really force

myself through the

first 3-5 minutes, before I settle into a rythm.

I just posted in another post, that I worked on improving my pace

today and did

well coming in at under a 10 minute mile (by pushing myself on the

hills). 9 1/2 miles

on a 5K is fantastic. When I do mine on 6/5, my goal is 33 minutes

(that's 10.65 MPH)

- I figure that's agressive for my first formal race, but not too

aggressive ... and it gives

me a chance to best it and feel great about it :-)

Mitch

arminor75 wrote:

>For me, one of the biggest difference in running outside versus on

>the mill is the wind resistance. You don't get that inside, but you

>have to work extra hard against it outside, so not only may it slow

>you down, but it means you're working harder to do the same work you

>would be doing inside. I use the treadmill when I have to (due to

>weather normally), but I prefer to run outside anyway. I know some

>people that do almost all their training on mills, and they run long

>distances. I think it is just personal preference.

>

>I've noticed it's always an adjustment (going from inside to out, and

>vice versa), but I can usually adapt rather quickly once I get going.

>

>I think your pace is great! My long distance race pace is much slower

>than than my 5K race pace. I usually average an 11 or an 11:30 for

>anything over 5 miles, but I can do a 5K in an average of about 9:30

>or 10. My goal is to get my 5K race pace to about an even 9, with my

>long distance race pace around 10:30, if possible.

>

>April

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like the

>>treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want to

>>be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice on

>>how much training is too much. I've been looking at some training

>>guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they recomment

>>running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week (for beginners). The

>>bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I can't

>>train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else and I'll

>>be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My step-mom, , told me that running in a race gives you a totally

different feeling than when you're just running to train or for fun.

She said the adrenaline just kicks in and that it's just an awesome

feeling. I bet you'll beat your goal for mph if my SM is correct. I'm

hoping I have the same results in my race in May. =)

Re: Re: More on the Differences

between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

April,

Yes - I agree about the wind and working harder to do the same work.

Definitely have

seen that. As one who's just beginning to be an outdoor runner, I do

prefer it vs. the

treamill as long as the weather is good. I don't think I'll be hardcore

enough to go out

in the rain and snow - I'm not even that hardcore about bicycling (my

preferred sport).

I think for me, it will be treadmill in bad weather ---

running/bicycling in good weather. One

other difference I've found - on the treadmill, once I start I'm OK. On

the road, after the

first 20-30 steps, I'm like " I can't do this " --- I have to really force

myself through the

first 3-5 minutes, before I settle into a rythm.

I just posted in another post, that I worked on improving my pace

today and did

well coming in at under a 10 minute mile (by pushing myself on the

hills). 9 1/2 miles

on a 5K is fantastic. When I do mine on 6/5, my goal is 33 minutes

(that's 10.65 MPH)

- I figure that's agressive for my first formal race, but not too

aggressive ... and it gives

me a chance to best it and feel great about it :-)

Mitch

arminor75 wrote:

>For me, one of the biggest difference in running outside versus on

>the mill is the wind resistance. You don't get that inside, but you

>have to work extra hard against it outside, so not only may it slow

>you down, but it means you're working harder to do the same work you

>would be doing inside. I use the treadmill when I have to (due to

>weather normally), but I prefer to run outside anyway. I know some

>people that do almost all their training on mills, and they run long

>distances. I think it is just personal preference.

>

>I've noticed it's always an adjustment (going from inside to out, and

>vice versa), but I can usually adapt rather quickly once I get going.

>

>I think your pace is great! My long distance race pace is much slower

>than than my 5K race pace. I usually average an 11 or an 11:30 for

>anything over 5 miles, but I can do a 5K in an average of about 9:30

>or 10. My goal is to get my 5K race pace to about an even 9, with my

>long distance race pace around 10:30, if possible.

>

>April

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like the

>>treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want to

>>be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice on

>>how much training is too much. I've been looking at some training

>>guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they recomment

>>running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week (for beginners). The

>>bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I can't

>>train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else and I'll

>>be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My step-mom, , told me that running in a race gives you a totally

different feeling than when you're just running to train or for fun.

She said the adrenaline just kicks in and that it's just an awesome

feeling. I bet you'll beat your goal for mph if my SM is correct. I'm

hoping I have the same results in my race in May. =)

Re: Re: More on the Differences

between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

April,

Yes - I agree about the wind and working harder to do the same work.

Definitely have

seen that. As one who's just beginning to be an outdoor runner, I do

prefer it vs. the

treamill as long as the weather is good. I don't think I'll be hardcore

enough to go out

in the rain and snow - I'm not even that hardcore about bicycling (my

preferred sport).

I think for me, it will be treadmill in bad weather ---

running/bicycling in good weather. One

other difference I've found - on the treadmill, once I start I'm OK. On

the road, after the

first 20-30 steps, I'm like " I can't do this " --- I have to really force

myself through the

first 3-5 minutes, before I settle into a rythm.

I just posted in another post, that I worked on improving my pace

today and did

well coming in at under a 10 minute mile (by pushing myself on the

hills). 9 1/2 miles

on a 5K is fantastic. When I do mine on 6/5, my goal is 33 minutes

(that's 10.65 MPH)

- I figure that's agressive for my first formal race, but not too

aggressive ... and it gives

me a chance to best it and feel great about it :-)

Mitch

arminor75 wrote:

>For me, one of the biggest difference in running outside versus on

>the mill is the wind resistance. You don't get that inside, but you

>have to work extra hard against it outside, so not only may it slow

>you down, but it means you're working harder to do the same work you

>would be doing inside. I use the treadmill when I have to (due to

>weather normally), but I prefer to run outside anyway. I know some

>people that do almost all their training on mills, and they run long

>distances. I think it is just personal preference.

>

>I've noticed it's always an adjustment (going from inside to out, and

>vice versa), but I can usually adapt rather quickly once I get going.

>

>I think your pace is great! My long distance race pace is much slower

>than than my 5K race pace. I usually average an 11 or an 11:30 for

>anything over 5 miles, but I can do a 5K in an average of about 9:30

>or 10. My goal is to get my 5K race pace to about an even 9, with my

>long distance race pace around 10:30, if possible.

>

>April

>

>

>

>

>>All,

>>

>>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

>>

>>

>somewhere

>

>

>>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on my

>>

>>

>pedometer,

>

>

>>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

>>

>>

>(I'll

>

>

>>verify

>>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in 33

>>

>>

>minutes,

>

>

>>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

>>

>>

>that's

>

>

>>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

>>

>>

>exhausted,

>

>

>>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

>>

>>

>the

>

>

>>treadmill,

>>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

>>

>>

>pace -

>

>

>>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

>>

>>

>got so

>

>

>>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

>>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

>> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like the

>>treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

>>

>>

>mimic'ing

>

>

>>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

>>

>>

>weather

>

>

>>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want to

>>be ready.

>>

>>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since the

>>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice on

>>how much training is too much. I've been looking at some training

>>guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they recomment

>>running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week (for beginners). The

>>bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

>>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I can't

>>train for both sports or I won't have time for anything else and I'll

>>be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

>>

>>

>triathlons -

>

>

>>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

>>

>>Mitch

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>>--------------------------------

>>All-Time High - 300

>>--------------------------------

>>Starting Weight - 281

>>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

>>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

>>Total Loss - 100.8

>>Current Weight - 180.2

>>WW Goal - 162.0

>>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

>>Personal Goal - 160.0

>>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>I improved my pace over the 2.5 mile route

> to 24:11 (6.2 MPH) or a 9.67 minute mile ... my previous best had

been

> 25:45 (5.82 MPH).... I'm so pumped!!!!

>

> Mitch

>

That is awesome improvement, Mitch! Way to go, and especially being

that you were running up HILLS!

April

[Guest guest]

>I improved my pace over the 2.5 mile route

> to 24:11 (6.2 MPH) or a 9.67 minute mile ... my previous best had

been

> 25:45 (5.82 MPH).... I'm so pumped!!!!

>

> Mitch

>

That is awesome improvement, Mitch! Way to go, and especially being

that you were running up HILLS!

April

[Guest guest]

>I improved my pace over the 2.5 mile route

> to 24:11 (6.2 MPH) or a 9.67 minute mile ... my previous best had

been

> 25:45 (5.82 MPH).... I'm so pumped!!!!

>

> Mitch

>

That is awesome improvement, Mitch! Way to go, and especially being

that you were running up HILLS!

April

[Guest guest]

That's awesome, Mitch, way to go!!!

in OKC <><

238/185.4/179 (healthy BMI)

> >

> >

> >>All,

> >>

> >>Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

> >>

> >>

> >somewhere

> >

> >

> >>betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what read on

my

> >>

> >>

> >pedometer,

> >

> >

> >>3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

> >>

> >>

> >(I'll

> >

> >

> >>verify

> >>the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in

33

> >>

> >>

> >minutes,

> >

> >

> >>8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

> >>

> >>

> >that's

> >

> >

> >>pretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I was

> >>

> >>

> >exhausted,

> >

> >

> >>really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

> >>

> >>

> >the

> >

> >

> >>treadmill,

> >>I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

> >>

> >>

> >pace -

> >

> >

> >>and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

> >>

> >>

> >got so

> >

> >

> >>tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something

else

> >>about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> >> " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> >>the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

> >>

> >>

> >mimic'ing

> >

> >

> >>how I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

> >>

> >>

> >weather

> >

> >

> >>is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I

want

> >>to be ready.

> >>

> >>On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now since

the

> >>weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any advice

> >>on how much training is too much. I've been looking at some

> >>training guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K,

they

> >>recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week

> >>(for beginners). The bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler)

call

> >>for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like I

> >>can't train for both sports or I won't have time for anything

else

> >>and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for

> >>

> >>

> >triathlons -

> >

> >

> >>anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

> >>

> >>Mitch

> >>

> >>

> >>--

> >>

> >>--------------------------------

> >>All-Time High - 300

> >>--------------------------------

> >>Starting Weight - 281

> >>Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> >>Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> >>Total Loss - 100.8

> >>Current Weight - 180.2

> >>WW Goal - 162.0

> >>Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> >>Personal Goal - 160.0

> >>Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think it might just have been that particular run. You'll notice as

you run more that you have good days, okay days, bad days, and WOW I

COULD RUN TEN MORE MILES days. I had one of those on Sunday, but Friday

I had a " Is this ever going to be over " kind of day.

> More on the Differences

> between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

>

>

> All,

>

> Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and

> ran somewhere betwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles

> was what read on my pedometer, 3.28 miles according to

> Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles .... (I'll

> verify

> the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it

> in 33 minutes, 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485

> minute/mile pace (I know that's pretty slow, but hey, I'm a

> beginner here). So, at the end I was exhausted, really

> " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on the

> treadmill,

> I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5

> MPH pace - and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do

> you think that I got so tired because I'm running faster

> outside? or is there something else about outdoor running

> (maybe because I don't have the treadmill " helping me along "

> as someone suggested)? It looks to me like the treadmill may

> not be such a great way to train if its' not mimic'ing how

> I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great when the

> weather is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June

> 5th and I want to be ready.

>

> On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now

> since the weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone

> has any advice on how much training is too much. I've been

> looking at some training guides for running - and to properly

> train for a 5K, they recomment running 8-12 mules/week. with

> 2-3 rest days/week (for beginners). The bicycling training

> plans (for a 50 miler) call

> for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems like

> I can't train for both sports or I won't have time for

> anything else and I'll be totally sore. Yet, people obviously

> train for triathlons - anyone know of a good site for

> dual-sport training plans?

>

> Mitch

>

>

> --

>

> --------------------------------

> All-Time High - 300

> --------------------------------

> Starting Weight - 281

> Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> Total Loss - 100.8

> Current Weight - 180.2

> WW Goal - 162.0

> Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> Personal Goal - 160.0

> Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that's " old school " thinking (that you should be able to run

twice as far as your race) or more for sprint athletes than endurance

athletes. In fact all of the training I've been reading suggests you

never actually go up to your fully race if you're doing long races (such

as a half marathon or marathon).

You'll be fine when you do the race for the cure. I had only done one

five mile run when I did the five mile race weekend before last and I

felt awesome. So much so, in fact, that yesterday I ran 5.5.

> Re: More on the

> Differences between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

>

>

> Mitch,

>

> The treadmill pulls your foot/feet back for you when you're

> running, while you actually have to do that on your own when

> you're running outside. I think this is the biggest

> difference between running inside and outside. I also find

> that I have more of a bounce when I run on a treadmill, while

> the trails don't offer me the same resistance. =)

>

> As far as training is concerned, the best way to train for a

> race is run on the course you're actually going to be racing

> on. Obviously that's not possible 99% of the time, so I've

> been running outdoors as much as possible to at least get

> myself used to the extra exertion. My Dad (former state

> track star in middle/high school)said that you should also be

> able to run twice the distance you're actually going to race.

> So, in theory, I should be up to 6.4 miles if I'm doing a

> 5K. My step-mom immediately shut him down on that theory,

> saying that's only if you're hardcore. =) Maybe someday I

> will be, but I'll be lucky to be up to 3.5 miles by the time

> I run the Race for the Cure in May. =)

>

> I totally understand what you mean about working harder when

> you're running outdoors versus on a treadmill. I am

> significantly faster on a treadmill than I am on a trail.

> But, I'm still a beginner. I'm starting Week 7, Day 1 of

> C25K on Monday, so I can't walk in between jogging times

> anymore. =) And don't think you're running slow either.

> I'm only down to 11 minutes a mile, so I think 10.4 is great!!!

>

> Still running,

>

> 175/157.8/130

>

> More on the Differences

> between Treadmill and Outdoor Running

>

> > All,

> >

> > Yesterday, I did my longest outdoor run ever. I went out and ran

> > somewherebetwwen 3.16 miles and 3.28 miles (3.16 miles was what

> > read on my pedometer,

> > 3.28 miles according to Mapquest). Let's go with 3.16 miles ....

> > (I'll

> > verify

> > the mileage with my bicycle odemeter today). Anyway, I ran it in

> > 33 minutes,

> > 8 seconds - that's 5.72 MPH or a 10.485 minute/mile pace (I know

> > that'spretty slow, but hey, I'm a beginner here). So, at the end I

> > was exhausted,

> > really " all-in " , struggled the last half-block big-time. Now, on

> > the

> > treadmill,

> > I've gone 3 1/2, 4, 5, even 6.2 miles once, running at a 5 MPH

> > pace -

> > and I've been tired, but not that tired. So, do you think that I

> > got so

> > tired because I'm running faster outside? or is there something else

> > about outdoor running (maybe because I don't have the treadmill

> > " helping me along " as someone suggested)? It looks to me like

> > the treadmill may not be such a great way to train if its' not

> > mimic'inghow I'll feel when I run outside (although it's great

> > when the weather

> > is bad). I've got my first " real " 5K coming up June 5th and I want

> > to be ready.

> >

> > On a related front, I've been out on the bicycle a bit now

> since the

> > weather has gotten better - and I wonder if anyone has any

> advice on

> > how much training is too much. I've been looking at some training

> > guides for running - and to properly train for a 5K, they recomment

> > running 8-12 mules/week. with 2-3 rest days/week (for

> beginners). The

> > bicycling training plans (for a 50 miler) call

> > for: 50-90 miles/week with 1-2 rest days/week. It seems

> like I can't

> > train for both sports or I won't have time for anything

> else and I'll

> > be totally sore. Yet, people obviously train for triathlons -

> > anyone know of a good site for dual-sport training plans?

> >

> > Mitch

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> > --------------------------------

> > All-Time High - 300

> > --------------------------------

> > Starting Weight - 281

> > Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2

> > Lost since Re-Joining WW - 75.6

> > Total Loss - 100.8

> > Current Weight - 180.2

> > WW Goal - 162.0

> > Pounds to Go to WW Goal - 18.2

> > Personal Goal - 160.0

> > Pounds to Go to Personal Goal - 20.2

> >

> >

> >

> >