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The only thing I can figure is that nothing works for everyone, so there are going to be some failures with every diet out there, even ones with a high success rate. I've experienced this first hand. I tried Klein's 'self healing crohns and colitis' plan, and that landed me in the hospital. That's not to say that his diet didn't work for the other 99% that have tried it, which it probably did, but it just wasn't right for me. You can't always convince someone of something that they just don't believe in, just like they're probably are having a hard time convincing you that SCD isn't right for them. I've even had second thoughts about this diet! We probably all have at SOME point when things weren't looking good. There's just so much information out there that it's hard to know what will work and what won't. Everyone presenting their information 100% believes they're right, but all of the information contradicts each other in some way, shape or form! There's just no way to know. The bottom line is, I think everyone who is really serious about healing themselves will do the research, choose the plan that they think will work for them, and then just keep trying different things until something clicks. If nothing else has worked for them, and they feel completely at a loss, I'll bet a lot of them will come around and decide it IS time to try something new, possibly the SCD.AlyssaUC sept 08SCD 1 monthcurrent status: ugh, die offI post on the crohn's board at the Healing Well forums, and SCD does not seem to be very well received there. Someone posted (albeit using a bit of a know-it-all tone) asking why people weren't eating SCD, and he/she was kind of ripped a new one ( http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 ). I hate to see such negativity against the diet, because it might influence someone not to even bother trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash to SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince them that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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Hi Holly,

Thank you for sharing your post. I agree with you 150%. Sometimes diet does not work in the beginning, but it is always a reason for this type of reaction ( no effect). I am on the diet over 2 years and I read a lot of posts on BTVC: a lot of people starting diet "wrong way" and expect results in the first week!!! As you know if takes time to educate your body and your mind about what to eat and how to advance the diet... it is calling healing process!!!

I am very thankful for finding the BTVC group and information when I needed the most!!!! It took me about 2 months to see the first results....

Well, it is very sad that drugs in our society effect the minds not only physicians but also patients....In my opinion, the mentality of people is to take drug, get it resolved fast, and move on....not to think about what you eat, it just easy. Lastly, convenience is the key!!! It is going to take time for people to start cooking at home for their health....

Subject: Negativity about SCDTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 12:33 PM

I post on the crohn's board at the Healing Well forums, and SCD does not seem to be very well received there. Someone posted (albeit using a bit of a know-it-all tone) asking why people weren't eating SCD, and he/she was kind of ripped a new one ( http://www.healingw ell.com/communit y/default. aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 ). I hate to see such negativity against the diet, because it might influence someone not to even bother trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash to SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince them that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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Hi Holly,

Thank you for sharing your post. I agree with you 150%. Sometimes diet does not work in the beginning, but it is always a reason for this type of reaction ( no effect). I am on the diet over 2 years and I read a lot of posts on BTVC: a lot of people starting diet "wrong way" and expect results in the first week!!! As you know if takes time to educate your body and your mind about what to eat and how to advance the diet... it is calling healing process!!!

I am very thankful for finding the BTVC group and information when I needed the most!!!! It took me about 2 months to see the first results....

Well, it is very sad that drugs in our society effect the minds not only physicians but also patients....In my opinion, the mentality of people is to take drug, get it resolved fast, and move on....not to think about what you eat, it just easy. Lastly, convenience is the key!!! It is going to take time for people to start cooking at home for their health....

Subject: Negativity about SCDTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 12:33 PM

I post on the crohn's board at the Healing Well forums, and SCD does not seem to be very well received there. Someone posted (albeit using a bit of a know-it-all tone) asking why people weren't eating SCD, and he/she was kind of ripped a new one ( http://www.healingw ell.com/communit y/default. aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 ). I hate to see such negativity against the diet, because it might influence someone not to even bother trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash to SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince them that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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> I post on the crohn's board at the Healing Well forums, and SCD does

> not seem to be very well received there. Someone posted (albeit

> using a bit of a know-it-all tone) asking why people weren't eating

> SCD, and he/she was kind of ripped a new one (

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626

> ). I hate to see such negativity against the diet, because it might

> influence someone not to even bother trying it for themselves. Why

> do you think there is such a backlash to SCD amongst some crohn's/UC

> patients?

Because they don't want to go on such a strict diet.

And their doctors confirm them in this.

> What is the best way to convince them that SCD will not land them in

> the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

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When I began to look at all the diets out there, It was pretty discouraging as

each one contradicted the other at some level. Klein uses a lot of raw

foods. Jini Patel's supplements are SCD illegal. I had hoped to take the best of

all worlds and try them. I picked SCD because it did not rely on a lot of

supplements. There are common themes between some of the diets, and I did try to

learn something from them.

I think the negativity is that none of them have undergone strict clinical

trials. It was the sheer number of people who seemed happiest on SCD that got me

to try it. It is labor intensive, but I like to cook anyway. It would be hard if

I did not prepare my own foods.

My doctor does not condone any diet either, so it does get discouraging.

I don't think there is any way to convince someone to try a diet. They have to

come to their own conclusion. I was always interested in nutrition, and SCD

seems pretty balanced, so it was worth a try. However, I do so miss my Starbucks

with half and half....that was my treat!!

PJ

>

> I post on the crohn's board at the Healing Well forums, and SCD does not seem

to be very well received there. Someone posted (albeit using a bit of a

know-it-all tone) asking why people weren't eating SCD, and he/she was kind of

ripped a new one (

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 ). I hate to

see such negativity against the diet, because it might influence someone not to

even bother trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash

to SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince them

that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

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At 11:33 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

I hate to see such negativity

against the diet, because it might influence someone not to even bother

trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash to

SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince

them that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency

surgery?

If you read the article about SCD on the CCFA website, you'll see that

it's carefully written to discourage anyone from wanting to try it.

" Too difficult, " and " too limiting, " and etc. etc.

CCFA at one point, I was told, banned the mention of the diet by their

facilitators at local meetings. (You have to remember that the CCFA is

largely funded by Big Pharma, and if they went around recommending curing

yourself with food, that might cut into Big Pharma's profits. People with

IBD are Grade A Cash Cows.)

Many people feel that if SCD was any good, or had any validity, there

would be studies proving it. Unfortunately, these days, most medical

research is funded by Big Pharma, and they are not going to fund research

which won't make them a profit.

As a consequence, there's a lot of high-power negativity out

there.

Many, many IBS/IBD sufferers are starch and sugar addicts, and no addict

wants to be told to give up their drug of choice. (I know I was a

starchoholic when I began, and giving up pasta and rice was particularly

hard for me.)

And, regrettably, although SCD does require fanatical adherence, there

have been individuals in the past who went on a jihad, trying to

convert people to the True Faith by the sword. The True Faith, in this

case, being the treatment of IBS/IBD by means of SCD.

What aspects of SCD make individuals think it will land them in the

hospital or result in emergency surgery?

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 11:33 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:

I hate to see such negativity

against the diet, because it might influence someone not to even bother

trying it for themselves. Why do you think there is such a backlash to

SCD amongst some crohn's/UC patients? What is the best way to convince

them that SCD will not land them in the hospital or result in emergency

surgery?

If you read the article about SCD on the CCFA website, you'll see that

it's carefully written to discourage anyone from wanting to try it.

" Too difficult, " and " too limiting, " and etc. etc.

CCFA at one point, I was told, banned the mention of the diet by their

facilitators at local meetings. (You have to remember that the CCFA is

largely funded by Big Pharma, and if they went around recommending curing

yourself with food, that might cut into Big Pharma's profits. People with

IBD are Grade A Cash Cows.)

Many people feel that if SCD was any good, or had any validity, there

would be studies proving it. Unfortunately, these days, most medical

research is funded by Big Pharma, and they are not going to fund research

which won't make them a profit.

As a consequence, there's a lot of high-power negativity out

there.

Many, many IBS/IBD sufferers are starch and sugar addicts, and no addict

wants to be told to give up their drug of choice. (I know I was a

starchoholic when I began, and giving up pasta and rice was particularly

hard for me.)

And, regrettably, although SCD does require fanatical adherence, there

have been individuals in the past who went on a jihad, trying to

convert people to the True Faith by the sword. The True Faith, in this

case, being the treatment of IBS/IBD by means of SCD.

What aspects of SCD make individuals think it will land them in the

hospital or result in emergency surgery?

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

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> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it will land them in the hospital

> or result in emergency surgery?

You won't find a stronger SCD supporter than me, but people claim that

this actually happened to them -- they started the SCD (who knows if

they really did) and ended up in the hospital. It's quite possible

that the dramatic change in gut chemistry caused a particular reaction

that caused a sudden bump up in symptoms.

I also speculate that the SCD may not help in certain cases. That

wouldn't stop me from trying though. And food is enormously powerful.

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UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

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Since SCD is all about foods that we already eat.. chicken soup and so on, I

have a hard time understanding how the diet would land someone in the hospital.

It may be that people do not understand that you have to advance slowly. I think

you need to use common sense- if something is " legal " it may not be right for

everyone. Any diet is really a guide- you have to make intelligent choices as

well.

I look at this diet as a very sensible way to eat to stay healthy. I do worry

about how to eat out, or at other people's houses and such, considering the

restrictions....but I could not ignore the sheer number of people who seem

pleased with it... it was worth a try.

PJ

> >

> > What aspects of SCD make individuals think it will land them in the hospital

> > or result in emergency surgery?

>

> You won't find a stronger SCD supporter than me, but people claim that

> this actually happened to them -- they started the SCD (who knows if

> they really did) and ended up in the hospital. It's quite possible

> that the dramatic change in gut chemistry caused a particular reaction

> that caused a sudden bump up in symptoms.

>

> I also speculate that the SCD may not help in certain cases. That

> wouldn't stop me from trying though. And food is enormously powerful.

>

> --

> Cheers,

> DF in MA

> UC June '07

> SCD Nov '08

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> Since SCD is all about foods that we already eat.. chicken soup and so on,

Not so -- I shifted my diet significantly when getting on the SCD.

> I have a hard time understanding how the diet would land someone in

> the hospital.

Repeating what I wrote earlier:

>> It's quite possible

>> that the dramatic change in gut chemistry caused a particular reaction

>> that caused a sudden bump up in symptoms.

I think we've all learned there is a huge range of conditions,

symptoms and reactions among us IBDers. It could be that if you

remove some of the irritation (starch), the body's protective

mechanism (mucous) is reduced causing more irritation to the lining of

the colon and you're off to the races. Just a theory...

--

Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

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> Since SCD is all about foods that we already eat.. chicken soup and so on,

Not so -- I shifted my diet significantly when getting on the SCD.

> I have a hard time understanding how the diet would land someone in

> the hospital.

Repeating what I wrote earlier:

>> It's quite possible

>> that the dramatic change in gut chemistry caused a particular reaction

>> that caused a sudden bump up in symptoms.

I think we've all learned there is a huge range of conditions,

symptoms and reactions among us IBDers. It could be that if you

remove some of the irritation (starch), the body's protective

mechanism (mucous) is reduced causing more irritation to the lining of

the colon and you're off to the races. Just a theory...

--

Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

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> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, smdsmom2008

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>> Since SCD is all about foods that we already eat.. chicken soup and

>> so on,

>

> Not so -- I shifted my diet significantly when getting on the SCD.

>

>> I have a hard time understanding how the diet would land someone in

>> the hospital.

Because when you get a case of severe die off, and the buggers are

exploding within you, releasing their toxins into the blood stream, you

can get really sick. I had 103 fever for about a week at the end of

my first month into SCD. And my doctor mentioned hospitalizing

me if it continued. I told him what it was, but with me being sick

and all and also less informed than I am now, he probably

thought I was just being incoherent. Plus, they have to be

proactive, etc.

And afterwards, my mom kept on wanting to know how the diet

could be good for me if it had made me so sick. Etc. Eventually

I explained enough so that she could draw the parallel in her own

life to when she had quit smoking and the toxins released into her

system at that point made her ill.

Mara

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Well that makes me feel better about you having a fever Mara! I just had a 101.7 (which is very high for me, my normal is 97) for a few days along with some flu-like symptoms. I just assumed it was die-off though, which I guess it was! Quick question about die off though: is a symptom like blood in your stool a symptom of this, or does that mean it's a flare?Thanks so much!AlyssaUC sept 08SCD 1 month> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM, smdsmom2008 <smdsmom2008> > wrote:>>>> Since SCD is all about foods that we already eat.. chicken soup and >> so on,>> Not so -- I shifted my diet significantly when getting on the SCD.>>> I have a hard time understanding how the diet would land someone in>> the hospital.Because when you get a case of severe die off, and the buggers areexploding within you, releasing their toxins into the blood stream, youcan get really sick. I had 103 fever for about a week at the end ofmy first month into SCD. And my doctor mentioned hospitalizingme if it continued. I told him what it was, but with me being sickand all and also less informed than I am now, he probablythought I was just being incoherent. Plus, they have to beproactive, etc.And afterwards, my mom kept on wanting to know how the dietcould be good for me if it had made me so sick. Etc. EventuallyI explained enough so that she could draw the parallel in her ownlife to when she had quit smoking and the toxins released into hersystem at that point made her ill.Mara

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Someone had e-mailed me Dr. Ehlich's phone number over a year ago, and I lost it. He prescribed the LDN for my son. Anyone out there that can help me please????

> On the post at Healing Well ( http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 & p=1 > ), one person said that they did strict SCD for several months and > ended up in the hospital with multiple blood transfusions for a GI > bleed, and that they were unable to eat for several months. A second > person said that someone on the board chose SCD over maintenance > drugs, and that a couple years later had to have emergency surgery > for a massive blockage due to the scarring from inflammation that > had not been under control during his years on SCD.Well that's not the fault of the SCD. Elaine encouraged people to take drugswhen they needed them and said repeatedly that SCD is not a substitute fordrugs. She certainly never advised anyone to do the SCD and drop thedrugs against the advice of his physician.Its another question whether the maintenance drugs would have donethe job in the first case - perhaps he felt they wouldn't. But that is definitelynot the fault of the SCD.And if he had that much inflammation - there should have beensigns of it. Was he getting yearly colonoscopies during this timeas most Gastros recommend, etc? (though not A.J.) He muststill have been symptomatic, etc.Mara> They say he wished he'd listened to his doctor and taken the > maintenance drug, because if he had, he probably wouldn't have had > to have surgery.>> Not exactly encouraging if a newbie were to read it. Luckily, a few > people have chimed in that they have seen great results from the > diet. Hopefully, it will counter some of the negativity so people > won't be scared to even give SCD a shot.>> Holly> Crohn's> SCD 12/01/08>>> >>> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it>> will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?>>>>>> — Marilyn>> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA>> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001>> Darn Good SCD Cook>> No Human Children>> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

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On the post at Healing Well (

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 & p=1 ), one

person said that they did strict SCD for several months and ended up in the

hospital with multiple blood transfusions for a GI bleed, and that they were

unable to eat for several months. A second person said that someone on the board

chose SCD over maintenance drugs, and that a couple years later had to have

emergency surgery for a massive blockage due to the scarring from inflammation

that had not been under control during his years on SCD. They say he wished he'd

listened to his doctor and taken the maintenance drug, because if he had, he

probably wouldn't have had to have surgery.

Not exactly encouraging if a newbie were to read it. Luckily, a few people have

chimed in that they have seen great results from the diet. Hopefully, it will

counter some of the negativity so people won't be scared to even give SCD a

shot.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

> will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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> On the post at Healing Well (

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 & p=1

> ), one person said that they did strict SCD for several months and

> ended up in the hospital with multiple blood transfusions for a GI

> bleed, and that they were unable to eat for several months. A second

> person said that someone on the board chose SCD over maintenance

> drugs, and that a couple years later had to have emergency surgery

> for a massive blockage due to the scarring from inflammation that

> had not been under control during his years on SCD.

Well that's not the fault of the SCD. Elaine encouraged people to

take drugs

when they needed them and said repeatedly that SCD is not a substitute

for

drugs. She certainly never advised anyone to do the SCD and drop the

drugs against the advice of his physician.

Its another question whether the maintenance drugs would have done

the job in the first case - perhaps he felt they wouldn't. But that

is definitely

not the fault of the SCD.

And if he had that much inflammation - there should have been

signs of it. Was he getting yearly colonoscopies during this time

as most Gastros recommend, etc? (though not A.J.) He must

still have been symptomatic, etc.

Mara

> They say he wished he'd listened to his doctor and taken the

> maintenance drug, because if he had, he probably wouldn't have had

> to have surgery.

>

> Not exactly encouraging if a newbie were to read it. Luckily, a few

> people have chimed in that they have seen great results from the

> diet. Hopefully, it will counter some of the negativity so people

> won't be scared to even give SCD a shot.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

>

>

>

>

>> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

>> will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

>>

>>

>> — Marilyn

>> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

>> Darn Good SCD Cook

>> No Human Children

>> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>>

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> On the post at Healing Well (

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17 & m=1458626 & p=1

> ), one person said that they did strict SCD for several months and

> ended up in the hospital with multiple blood transfusions for a GI

> bleed, and that they were unable to eat for several months. A second

> person said that someone on the board chose SCD over maintenance

> drugs, and that a couple years later had to have emergency surgery

> for a massive blockage due to the scarring from inflammation that

> had not been under control during his years on SCD.

Well that's not the fault of the SCD. Elaine encouraged people to

take drugs

when they needed them and said repeatedly that SCD is not a substitute

for

drugs. She certainly never advised anyone to do the SCD and drop the

drugs against the advice of his physician.

Its another question whether the maintenance drugs would have done

the job in the first case - perhaps he felt they wouldn't. But that

is definitely

not the fault of the SCD.

And if he had that much inflammation - there should have been

signs of it. Was he getting yearly colonoscopies during this time

as most Gastros recommend, etc? (though not A.J.) He must

still have been symptomatic, etc.

Mara

> They say he wished he'd listened to his doctor and taken the

> maintenance drug, because if he had, he probably wouldn't have had

> to have surgery.

>

> Not exactly encouraging if a newbie were to read it. Luckily, a few

> people have chimed in that they have seen great results from the

> diet. Hopefully, it will counter some of the negativity so people

> won't be scared to even give SCD a shot.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

>

>

>

>

>> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

>> will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

>>

>>

>> — Marilyn

>> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

>> Darn Good SCD Cook

>> No Human Children

>> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>>

>

>

>

>

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are they kidding me ????!!!! some may need drugs with it, some even surgery

perhaps but there is NOTHING bad or harmful about scd - only to lazy people that

want fake food and a quick-fix -all natural healthy food can hurt people ??? i

think not!!!!!!!!!

and on the flip side are those who healed on scd went off and needed emergency

surgery!!!!! just ask the woman who runs digestive health!

sorry - I will defend my SCD forever !!! the whole world would be healthier if

everyone ate this way !!!!

ok done ranting

eileen

15 months scd

>

> > What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

> > will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > No Human Children

> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> >

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are they kidding me ????!!!! some may need drugs with it, some even surgery

perhaps but there is NOTHING bad or harmful about scd - only to lazy people that

want fake food and a quick-fix -all natural healthy food can hurt people ??? i

think not!!!!!!!!!

and on the flip side are those who healed on scd went off and needed emergency

surgery!!!!! just ask the woman who runs digestive health!

sorry - I will defend my SCD forever !!! the whole world would be healthier if

everyone ate this way !!!!

ok done ranting

eileen

15 months scd

>

> > What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

> > will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > No Human Children

> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> >

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Well, I am still a newbie at this. I would wonder what these people did about

their overall health. Were they taking their medication, or did they start the

diet and promptly throw them out? If you read the testimonies of some people who

are on SCD and not on meds- many did this against their doctors' advice. They

did this after they had been on the diet for several years, were on a minimal

amount of medication, and had been symptom- free for a long time..in general.

But they are still taking a risk that even the books on SCD do not recommend

without medical advice.

To me, the sheer number of people who seem to be doing well on SCD, makes it

worth a try. But I also pay attention to how I am doing, and I follow my

doctor's advice. And I hope and pray a lot too :)

Until we have a scientifically proven 100% cure for any condition, there will be

controversy. It can be crazy making.

PJ

> >

> > > What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

> > > will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

> > >

> > >

> > > — Marilyn

> > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > > No Human Children

> > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> > >

> >

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> >> What aspects of SCD make individuals think it

> >> will land them in the hospital or result in emergency surgery?

> >>

> >>

> >> †" Marilyn

> >> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> >> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> >> Darn Good SCD Cook

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