Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Liz, I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other ingredients are optimal. As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start in combining NT with Cytomel. Best Wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Thanks Thanks for the reply Were you on cytomel only before the combination? How and when did you get the RT3 problem and do you have any theories about why the naturethroid is not causing it to return? In my case, I was on cytomel alone first, then upon switching to naturethroid for the first time I got RT3 symptoms for the first time, which led to my needing much higher doses of cytomel subsequently than I needed before the naturethroid. So I am nervous that the naturethroid will throw me off again, but I really want to try. The humidity is definitely what makes the sweating bad, but it was not this bad until after I started cytomel, so I am pretty sure the two things are related. However, it may be that simply not being hypothyroid has brought out a latent sweating tendency that I already had. It is so bad that I have to bring a change of clothes with me when I am out in hot weather. Arg. Liz I will try and fish out my labs and post them again > > Liz, > > I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by > Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of > years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal > amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other > ingredients are optimal. > > As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid > medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the > humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The > temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you > are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. > > Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start > in combining NT with Cytomel. > > Best Wishes, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Thanks Thanks for the reply Were you on cytomel only before the combination? How and when did you get the RT3 problem and do you have any theories about why the naturethroid is not causing it to return? In my case, I was on cytomel alone first, then upon switching to naturethroid for the first time I got RT3 symptoms for the first time, which led to my needing much higher doses of cytomel subsequently than I needed before the naturethroid. So I am nervous that the naturethroid will throw me off again, but I really want to try. The humidity is definitely what makes the sweating bad, but it was not this bad until after I started cytomel, so I am pretty sure the two things are related. However, it may be that simply not being hypothyroid has brought out a latent sweating tendency that I already had. It is so bad that I have to bring a change of clothes with me when I am out in hot weather. Arg. Liz I will try and fish out my labs and post them again > > Liz, > > I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by > Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of > years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal > amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other > ingredients are optimal. > > As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid > medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the > humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The > temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you > are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. > > Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start > in combining NT with Cytomel. > > Best Wishes, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 hey, just wondering why you would want to start introducing T4 back in the mix if the point of t3 only is to suppress all Rt3 procuction, which comes from t4. just curious... wonder if your sweating issue is actually a low aldosterone issue, brought to light by the t3 only... as aldosterone has everything to do with fluid/potassium/sodium regulation in your body. if you had stressed adrenals, even if you support them with HC, the HC does not address the aldosterone issue.... therefore as you raise the t3, beat up adrenals start showing, including such low aldosterone symptoms as sweating. i myself have had sweating issues on and off before and during my journey, and have seen others with the issue, and it seems to usually be linked to aldosterone, more specifically " salt wasting. " back when STTM had forums, there were a lot of people on the adrenals page with the issue who found relief from the heat intolerance/excessive sweating once the got their aldosterone levels in check with fludrocortisone. personally, i know i have weakened adrenals, and have supported them with HC... but the sweating thing is still " abnormal " on and off (say i start working out, once i start sweating its like someone turns a faucet on, gotten better, but still sweat a lot). think it makes sense that if my adrenals were straind then my aldosterone levels would suffer right along with my cortisol levels, but its just too big a can of worms for me to open right now... aNyway, just my two sense... your sweating issue could be adrenal related.... just dont see the need to add T4 back in there if you already know you have an Rt3 issue, dont see how that would help your situation at all... > > > > Liz, > > > > I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by > > Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of > > years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal > > amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other > > ingredients are optimal. > > > > As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid > > medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the > > humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The > > temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you > > are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. > > > > Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start > > in combining NT with Cytomel. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 hey, just wondering why you would want to start introducing T4 back in the mix if the point of t3 only is to suppress all Rt3 procuction, which comes from t4. just curious... wonder if your sweating issue is actually a low aldosterone issue, brought to light by the t3 only... as aldosterone has everything to do with fluid/potassium/sodium regulation in your body. if you had stressed adrenals, even if you support them with HC, the HC does not address the aldosterone issue.... therefore as you raise the t3, beat up adrenals start showing, including such low aldosterone symptoms as sweating. i myself have had sweating issues on and off before and during my journey, and have seen others with the issue, and it seems to usually be linked to aldosterone, more specifically " salt wasting. " back when STTM had forums, there were a lot of people on the adrenals page with the issue who found relief from the heat intolerance/excessive sweating once the got their aldosterone levels in check with fludrocortisone. personally, i know i have weakened adrenals, and have supported them with HC... but the sweating thing is still " abnormal " on and off (say i start working out, once i start sweating its like someone turns a faucet on, gotten better, but still sweat a lot). think it makes sense that if my adrenals were straind then my aldosterone levels would suffer right along with my cortisol levels, but its just too big a can of worms for me to open right now... aNyway, just my two sense... your sweating issue could be adrenal related.... just dont see the need to add T4 back in there if you already know you have an Rt3 issue, dont see how that would help your situation at all... > > > > Liz, > > > > I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by > > Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of > > years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal > > amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other > > ingredients are optimal. > > > > As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid > > medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the > > humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The > > temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you > > are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. > > > > Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start > > in combining NT with Cytomel. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 hey, just wondering why you would want to start introducing T4 back in the mix if the point of t3 only is to suppress all Rt3 procuction, which comes from t4. just curious... wonder if your sweating issue is actually a low aldosterone issue, brought to light by the t3 only... as aldosterone has everything to do with fluid/potassium/sodium regulation in your body. if you had stressed adrenals, even if you support them with HC, the HC does not address the aldosterone issue.... therefore as you raise the t3, beat up adrenals start showing, including such low aldosterone symptoms as sweating. i myself have had sweating issues on and off before and during my journey, and have seen others with the issue, and it seems to usually be linked to aldosterone, more specifically " salt wasting. " back when STTM had forums, there were a lot of people on the adrenals page with the issue who found relief from the heat intolerance/excessive sweating once the got their aldosterone levels in check with fludrocortisone. personally, i know i have weakened adrenals, and have supported them with HC... but the sweating thing is still " abnormal " on and off (say i start working out, once i start sweating its like someone turns a faucet on, gotten better, but still sweat a lot). think it makes sense that if my adrenals were straind then my aldosterone levels would suffer right along with my cortisol levels, but its just too big a can of worms for me to open right now... aNyway, just my two sense... your sweating issue could be adrenal related.... just dont see the need to add T4 back in there if you already know you have an Rt3 issue, dont see how that would help your situation at all... > > > > Liz, > > > > I take Naturethroid (2 grains) with 25 mcg of Cytomel daily as suggested by > > Val, based on my labs. I am feeling great for the first time in a couple of > > years. My Vit D is great, my Ferritin is great but I do still have a minimal > > amount of work to do on the adrenals. So, yes it does work if all the other > > ingredients are optimal. > > > > As for your sweating, I question it being caused by a combination of thyroid > > medications. Having lived in mostly southern climates all my life, it's the > > humidity that causes excessive sweating, especially in South America. The > > temps can be moderate and very enjoyable but add in the humidity and if you > > are not use to this climate, it will certainly play havoc with your body. > > > > Sharing your latest labs with Val or Nick would be your best place to start > > in combining NT with Cytomel. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Liz, I have been on natural thyroid for a while, the old Armour first and then switched to the Naturethroid several months ago. Previously I was on Synthroid for years which created a huge problem for me. I noticed during routine labs that my RT3 was very high, along with high T4 and high T3. It was suggested that I lower the Naturethroid and add Cytomel into the mix. My most recent labs show good numbers for T4, T3 and my RT3 has lowered and my ratio is now almost 16. I am feeling great and will continue the combination until all the RT3 has cleared and will then gradually wean myself from the Cytomel to see what happens. It may be that I will need to continue the Cytomel/Naturethroid indefinitely. You don't mention what protocol you followed but I am wondering if your problem started because of reducing or entirely quitting the Cytomel to quickly. Also you have not mentioned your Adrenals. What is your Cortisol status as well as Ferritin levels? Both play a huge part in this rollercoaster we are all riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi is Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I definitely have an aldosterone issue and have just started florinef, which I am hoping will help. So far, I am still sweating like crazy, though. I want to see if my body can handle a little T4 in case there are any benefits of T4, to bring down my SHBG, and also, to see if my body can convert normally in small doses. It might not be able to convert, I am just thinking it might be good to check. However, you might be right in that the aldosterone may be causing a lot of my problems. I was on 55 mg of HC and I'm now down to 35 mg of HC on the florinef, which is good. I might wait a while to try the T4... Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi I actually wondered if I started producing RT3 because I did not gradually taper off of the cytomel. I also started HC at the same time I started naturethroid, for weak adrenals, and I am wondering if the HC could have started the RT3 production. My ferritin is low, but iron is relatively high, so I have to be careful about supplementing too much iron. Adrenals have been weak. I was up to 55 mg of HC, but realized I had an aldosterone issue, then started florinef and am now down to 35 mg of HC. So, yes, all of these things come in to play, for sure. I am so glad you are feeling good! Liz > > Liz, > I have been on natural thyroid for a while, the old Armour first and then > switched to the Naturethroid several months ago. Previously I was on > Synthroid for years which created a huge problem for me. I noticed during > routine labs that my RT3 was very high, along with high T4 and high T3. It > was suggested that I lower the Naturethroid and add Cytomel into the mix. > My most recent labs show good numbers for T4, T3 and my RT3 has lowered and > my ratio is now almost 16. I am feeling great and will continue the > combination until all the RT3 has cleared and will then gradually wean > myself from the Cytomel to see what happens. It may be that I will need to > continue the Cytomel/Naturethroid indefinitely. > > You don't mention what protocol you followed but I am wondering if your > problem started because of reducing or entirely quitting the Cytomel to > quickly. Also you have not mentioned your Adrenals. What is your Cortisol > status as well as Ferritin levels? Both play a huge part in this > rollercoaster we are all riding. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 - How do you dose your t3 with your thyroid? Just wondering about combinations and tolerance. thanks Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Lynn wrote: -How do you dose your t3 with your thyroid? Just wondering about combinations and tolerance. Lynn, I take my Naturethroid first thing at 6:00 am, then take 10mcg Cytomel around 9:00 am. I take 10mcg Cytomel again around 12-1:00 pm, followed by 5mcg Cytomel around 5pm. This seems to work well for me, I cannot answer for anyone else. I supplement Magnesium, D3, Vit C, Digestive Enzymes, CoQ10, Krill Oil, and Adrenal Complex by Quantum Nutrition Labs. I was taking many other supplements but found it to be too much for my body to handle. What I am taking now seems to be the proper combination for me. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 liz, let us know how it works, the sweating thing is very annoying at the very least!!!!! what a rollercoaster we are on! > > Hi is > Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I definitely have an aldosterone issue and have just started florinef, which I am hoping will help. So far, I am still sweating like crazy, though. > I want to see if my body can handle a little T4 in case there are any benefits of T4, to bring down my SHBG, and also, to see if my body can convert normally in small doses. It might not be able to convert, I am just thinking it might be good to check. However, you might be right in that the aldosterone may be causing a lot of my problems. I was on 55 mg of HC and I'm now down to 35 mg of HC on the florinef, which is good. I might wait a while to try the T4... > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Cyntia, I just wonder if you have had a big problems with the adrenals.You have said you have still work to do on them but you are not taking any HC? Did you have RT3 problem and before going to the combo Natretroid and T3 were you on T3 only to clear your RT3? thanks Milena -How do you dose your t3 with your thyroid? > Just wondering about combinations and tolerance. > > > Lynn, > I take my Naturethroid first thing at 6:00 am, then take 10mcg Cytomel > around 9:00 am. I take 10mcg Cytomel again around 12-1:00 pm, followed by > 5mcg Cytomel around 5pm. This seems to work well for me, I cannot answer > for anyone else. I supplement Magnesium, D3, Vit C, Digestive Enzymes, > CoQ10, Krill Oil, and Adrenal Complex by Quantum Nutrition Labs. I was > taking many other supplements but found it to be too much for my body to > handle. What I am taking now seems to be the proper combination for me. > > Hope this helps. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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