Calcium

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard of it being a positive way to increase height in an RSS child,

but I am sure someone at some time did research. Since RSS kids' height is

usually not a result of bone issues, it probably wouldn't make a difference

(but it makes me wonder about children with achondroplasia types of dwarfism -

where " bone " problems are a sympton). Anyone?

RSS-Support wrote:

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Back to business - has anyone ever heard of any reseach into

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increasing calcium levels. I was just wondering if increasing the

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intake levels of something that is proven to aid bone growth would

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have any effect?

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Just a thought.

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[Guest guest]

I haven't heard of it being a positive way to increase height in an RSS child,

but I am sure someone at some time did research. Since RSS kids' height is

usually not a result of bone issues, it probably wouldn't make a difference

(but it makes me wonder about children with achondroplasia types of dwarfism -

where " bone " problems are a sympton). Anyone?

RSS-Support wrote:

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Back to business - has anyone ever heard of any reseach into

>

increasing calcium levels. I was just wondering if increasing the

>

intake levels of something that is proven to aid bone growth would

>

have any effect?

>

Just a thought.

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a (Ben 28mths)

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[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what you mean by " calcium is proven to aid bone growth " .

I always thought that the calcium was to promote healthy stronger bones and

teeth, (you know, the stuff your mom always told you as you were growing

up!)

but was not aware if it was ever proven to aid in bone GROWTH. If anyone

has info/articles on that, please let us all know!

OK - I just took out my AMA Encyclopedia of Medicine, p. 224 and it says

about Calcium:

" The most abundant mineral in the body... "

" Calcium is essential for the functioning of cells, for muscle contraction,

for the transmission of nerve impulses from nerve endings to muscle fibers,

and for blood clotting. In the form of calcium phosphate it makes up the

hard basic constituent of teeth and bones. "

There is a disorder call " hypocalcemia, if you have too little calcium in

the blood. The most common cause of this is vitamin D deficiency. " It

seems from what is written here that the thyroid gland and parathyroid

gland controls calcium levels.

I would presume that if your RSS child had a full Endo. work-up (including

bloodwork), the thyroid was checked. You may want to ask your Dr.

specifically about this.

Anyways, I think calcium promotes strength and health of the bone, not

growth.

And since I'm not a Dr. - anyone who can clarify this better is welcome!!

Cheryl V

mom to , age 9, RSS

subject: calcium

>Back to business - has anyone ever heard of any research into

>increasing calcium levels. I was just wondering if increasing the

>intake levels of something that is proven to aid bone growth would

>have any effect?

>Just a thought.

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>a (Ben 28mths)

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[Guest guest]

Jan,

The source of information I have about the absorbability of calcium citrate

vs. carbonate is the " Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements " by T.

Murray, N.D. He cites " studies " and " researchers " but does not mention any

specifically in what he writes; however, he lists 36 studies about calcium in

the References.

Citri-Cal is a capsule as is the calcium citrate that Vitalady sells. You

could open those and mix it in or sprinkle it on something. I have no idea

how it tastes as I can swallow them. Citri-Cal has a max. strength at 400 mg,

but that is hard to find while the 250 mg/capsule is readily available. The

ones that Vitalady sells are a LOT smaller with a FULL 500 mg of calcium

(smaller than any other brand I have seen of any type of calcium)

I hope this helps. ;^)

In Charlottesville, VA

Roux-en-Y with Gall Bladder Removal: March 31, 1999, 318 lb.

July 26, 2001 -- 194

5'6.5 "

[Guest guest]

Here are 3 studies that show that calcium in citrate form is

significantly better absorbed than in carbonate form.

1. J. Heller, Alan , Sharon Haynes, and Y.C. Pak

Pharmacokinetics of Calcium Absorption from Two Commercial Calcium

Supplements. J. Clin. Pharmacol. 1999; 39:1-4.

2. L.A. Ruml, K. Sakhaee, R. , B. -Huet, and C.Y.C. Pak.

The effect of Calcium Citrate on Bone Density in the Early and

Mid-Postmenopausal Period: A Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Study.

American Journal of Therapeutics 1999; 6:303-311.

3. K. Sakhaee, T. Bhuket, B. -Huet, D. S. Rao. Meta-analysis of

Calcium Bioavailability: A comparison of Calcium Citrate with Calcium

Carbonate. American Journal of Therapeutics 1999; 6: 313-321.

To get a copy of these studies, print this email and take it to the

Interlibrary Loan Dept of your local library. They w ill send off for a

copy of the articles. This service is almost always free.

Ray Hooks

For nutritional information on WLS visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

laemax@... wrote:

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> Dear Everyone: I am having a hard time with the calcium thing. I know that

what is being said is that calcium citrate is much more absorbed than carbonate.

Tell me again where we are getting this information telling us this. I have

asked my doctors at Mayo and every pharmacist that I know and they are not

convinced that citrate is that much better. The problem I have is that the

calcium citrate only comes in the horse pill size and I can not swallow them

with out gagging. Why do they not make a citrate in a chewable? I asked a

pharmacist this very question yesterday and she said the chewable is absorbed at

the same rate as the citrate is in the pill form. Does this make sense? I know

there have been a couple studies that say that the citrate is better but

depending on who you ask they say the jury is out. Mayo still tells us post ops

to do Tums extra strength 6 per day. But then again they tell us post ops to do

B12 injections from the beginning too.... I wish they wou!

ld!

> all get together, anyone else??? Thanks.. Jan C,3-11-98 RNY

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In a message dated 11/25/01 5:44:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, laemax@...

writes:

> The problem I have is that the calcium citrate only comes in the horse pill

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I open the calcium citrate pills from Vitalady and pour them into my protein

shakes 2-3 x per day. Works great!

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Greetings!

Well, my Surgeon and my PCP say to take the Calcium Carbonate and that it is

chemically superior to Calcium Citrate. (My PCP explained it to me, but I

wouldn't be able to repeat it.) They say not to bother with the Oyster

Shell Calcium at all. I have told them what has been said here about the

great Calcium debate, and they still say to take the Calcium Carbonate.

So, to be safe, I spend a little more money, and take a few more pills, and

take BOTH the Calcium Citrate and Calcium Carbonate!!! LOL!

My labs & Dexa are all great by the way!

-Kathy in MI. =^..^=

[Guest guest]

If FDA labeling requirements are being followed, the calcium supplement

capsules that Vitalady sells do not contain 500 mg of calcium. Her web

site lists the content as being " 500mg calcium citrate. " There is a

huge difference in 500 mg calcium (citrate) and 500 mg calcium citrate.

If a product contains 500 mg calcium (citrate), it has 500 mg of

elemental calcium in citrate form. This would be about 2400 mg calcium

citrate (assuming a 21% calcium content).

On the other hand, 500 mg of calcium citrate contains about 21-29%

elemental calcium, or 105-145 mg elemental calcium. The largest capsule

sold for human consumption is the #00. It will contain typically 800 mg

of substance, but if the product is really dense, it can contain 1000

mg. Even leaving aside the statement that the capsules in question are

not the largest used, if the large #00 capsule was crammed with the most

dense calcium citrate to get 1000 mg into it, there would be only a

maximum of 290 mg elemental calcium. 500 mg of calcium citrate would

fit nicely into a smaller #0 capsule, but it would contain no where near

500 mg of elemental calcium.

Ray Hooks

Taggie@... wrote:

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> Jan,

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> The source of information I have about the absorbability of calcium citrate

> vs. carbonate is the " Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements " by T.

> Murray, N.D. He cites " studies " and " researchers " but does not mention any

> specifically in what he writes; however, he lists 36 studies about calcium in

> the References.

>

> Citri-Cal is a capsule as is the calcium citrate that Vitalady sells. You

> could open those and mix it in or sprinkle it on something. I have no idea

> how it tastes as I can swallow them. Citri-Cal has a max. strength at 400 mg,

> but that is hard to find while the 250 mg/capsule is readily available. The

> ones that Vitalady sells are a LOT smaller with a FULL 500 mg of calcium

> (smaller than any other brand I have seen of any type of calcium)

>

> I hope this helps. ;^)

>

> In Charlottesville, VA

> Roux-en-Y with Gall Bladder Removal: March 31, 1999, 318 lb.

> July 26, 2001 -- 194

> 5'6.5 "

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a chewable citrate out there. Twin Lab makes it, 60 to a bottle. I

can't remember how many mg per wafer, but I just remember the dosage was 2

at a time, 3 or 4 times/day. That would get you the 1500-2000mg. They had

D, but can't remember if they had mag. They were a citrus flavor.

I dropped them simply because they were WAY to expensive to use for my

people. One bottle would last a min of 10 days, so at regular prices, that

was about $40/month. Although, details are a bit fuzzy.

But if your local health food store carries Twin Lab, you should find it

there.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

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CALCIUM

> Dear Everyone: I am having a hard time with the calcium thing. I know

that what is being said is that calcium citrate is much more absorbed than

carbonate. Tell me again where we are getting this information telling us

this. I have asked my doctors at Mayo and every pharmacist that I know and

they are not convinced that citrate is that much better. The problem I have

is that the calcium citrate only comes in the horse pill size and I can not

swallow them with out gagging. Why do they not make a citrate in a chewable?

I asked a pharmacist this very question yesterday and she said the chewable

is absorbed at the same rate as the citrate is in the pill form. Does this

make sense? I know there have been a couple studies that say that the

citrate is better but depending on who you ask they say the jury is out.

Mayo still tells us post ops to do Tums extra strength 6 per day. But then

again they tell us post ops to do B12 injections from the beginning too....

I wish they would all get together, anyone else??? Thanks.. Jan C,3-11-98

RNY

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[Guest guest]

Calcium is and always has been a very slippery subject, always contradictive

it seems... if they'd make the other that you say is good for bones in a

soft chew or even like tums or liquid I'd add it to my medicine pile.

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

YUM! I loved AYDS. LOL! Didn't want to drink anything hot with 'em, just

eat the candies! LOL!

I had a big bowl of Viactiv here for awhile and my staff ate them for candy.

Not sure if they helped them at all, but from my snooping around, looks like

carbonate doesn't really help anyone except those who sell it. I say that,

but now I am taking 1 per day myself to beef up my blood work. Once I

switched to citrate, the bone loss stopped, but the blood levels started to

slip since all the calcium was going into my bones! LOL!

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

calcium

> or even worse. those damned VIACTIV....candy in disguise. They should rank

> right up there with that Ayds diet candy from the 70's . Anyone remember

> that stuff....LOL

> Cissy

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[Guest guest]

How about a capsule you can open & dump? Or the effervescent form of

Citracal?

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: calcium

> Calcium is and always has been a very slippery subject, always

contradictive

> it seems... if they'd make the other that you say is good for bones in a

> soft chew or even like tums or liquid I'd add it to my medicine pile.

>

> hugzzz

> flo

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[Guest guest]

That'd be great if it doesnt break my budget. I bought the big ol' horse

pills and I just cant believe they have time to break down in my little

tummy, I tried cutting them in half, very unpleasant experience.

Where can I find these at a reasonable price? any particular brand?

hugzzz

flo

[Guest guest]

I would be interested too in finding a good calcium citrate at a good price.

Please post if you have any suggestions!

Barbie

[Guest guest]

I would be interested too in finding a good calcium citrate at a good price.

Please post if you have any suggestions!

Barbie

[Guest guest]

So it actually " improved " your bone density?

thanks so much,

flo

[Guest guest]

So it actually " improved " your bone density?

thanks so much,

flo

[Guest guest]

> Not sure if they helped them at all, but from my snooping around, looks

like carbonate doesn't really help anyone except those who sell it. I say

that,

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according to research - Normies only absorb 4% of carbonate so what do we

get out of a viactiv?? probably nothing but the damn 5 or 10 calories!!

sue

[Guest guest]

> Not sure if they helped them at all, but from my snooping around, looks

like carbonate doesn't really help anyone except those who sell it. I say

that,

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according to research - Normies only absorb 4% of carbonate so what do we

get out of a viactiv?? probably nothing but the damn 5 or 10 calories!!

sue

[Guest guest]

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> sue, isn't it time for your annual survey?

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when my computer crashed and died the first of nov. I lost the results of

the last survey but if memory serves me it was around 70% of gastric bypass

patients 1.5yr. or further out who had confirmed osteoporosis. that survey

was done last january or february. more than half of those people were on

calcium carbonate at the time.

my surgeon always said osteo was the only known long term side effect to

gastric bypass - this was a given. the fact that calcium citrate works

better than carbonate was not known years ago. we know it now though!

and once you have the results from a dexa scan back in your hands it scares

the living daylights out of you to read you have osteoporosis and your bones

resemble that of a XX year old woman {insert any age older than yourself!!}

switching to citrate, adding boron and ostivone[ipriflavone] and weight

training and walking improved my results one year later - there is no

denying it.

sue

[swVA]

[Guest guest]

>> the fact that calcium citrate works better than carbonate was not

known years ago. we know it now though!<<

It is funny, though, how much people will ARGUE about

this ...especially on the big OSSG list.

My feeling is this..

They say that we MIGHT absorb SOME of calcium carbonate

There say that we MIGHT absorb MORE of calcium citrate

Wouldn't you do the latter just in case???? I mean, I would rather

do it, and later find out that it isn't any better than others, than

NOT do it and find out later that it IS better.

Plus..my being of caucasion european decent, and my mom having

osteoporosis, I need to be extra careful.

(note..I believe we DO absorb more Citrate...just trying to reason

for those who don't seem to care)

Blessings,

Lou

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Make God laugh - plan for the future.

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2 Years Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

http://www.ptl4wls.com

" I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will

heal you. " 2 Kings 20:5

[Guest guest]

Well, I figure there are as many like me as like you. I was calcium

arrogant, thought the blood work passed for bone work, knew I was taking way

more calcium (whatever) than the average. If Sue hadn't kept on, I'd never

have scanned.

And like me, those who insist on calcium arrogance will have the utter SHOCK

of standing there in the doc's hallway waiting for dad's appt and having the

nurse pass by and go, " Oh by the way, you have osteoporosis, pretty bad,

too. Doing any wt bearing exercise? " and walking on by. It took me 3 months

to get my jaw off the floor.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: calcium

> >> the fact that calcium citrate works better than carbonate was not known

> years ago. we know it now though!<<

>

> It is funny, though, how much people will ARGUE about this...especially on

> the big OSSG list.

>

> My feeling is this..

>

> They say that we MIGHT absorb SOME of calcium carbonate

> There say that we MIGHT absorb MORE of calcium citrate

>

> Wouldn't you do the latter just in case???? I mean, I would rather do it,

> and later find out that it isn't any better than others, than NOT do it

and

> find out later that it IS better.

>

> Plus..my being of caucasion european decent, and my mom having

osteoporosis,

> I need to be extra careful.

>

> (note..I believe we DO absorb more Citrate...just trying to reason for

those

> who don't seem to care)

>

> Blessings,

> Lou

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Make God laugh - plan for the future.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 2 Years Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

> http://www.ptl4wls.com

> " I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

you. "

> 2 Kings 20:5

>

>

> _________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I figure there are as many like me as like you. I was calcium

arrogant, thought the blood work passed for bone work, knew I was taking way

more calcium (whatever) than the average. If Sue hadn't kept on, I'd never

have scanned.

And like me, those who insist on calcium arrogance will have the utter SHOCK

of standing there in the doc's hallway waiting for dad's appt and having the

nurse pass by and go, " Oh by the way, you have osteoporosis, pretty bad,

too. Doing any wt bearing exercise? " and walking on by. It took me 3 months

to get my jaw off the floor.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: calcium

> >> the fact that calcium citrate works better than carbonate was not known

> years ago. we know it now though!<<

>

> It is funny, though, how much people will ARGUE about this...especially on

> the big OSSG list.

>

> My feeling is this..

>

> They say that we MIGHT absorb SOME of calcium carbonate

> There say that we MIGHT absorb MORE of calcium citrate

>

> Wouldn't you do the latter just in case???? I mean, I would rather do it,

> and later find out that it isn't any better than others, than NOT do it

and

> find out later that it IS better.

>

> Plus..my being of caucasion european decent, and my mom having

osteoporosis,

> I need to be extra careful.

>

> (note..I believe we DO absorb more Citrate...just trying to reason for

those

> who don't seem to care)

>

> Blessings,

> Lou

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Make God laugh - plan for the future.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 2 Years Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

> http://www.ptl4wls.com

> " I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

you. "

> 2 Kings 20:5

>

>

> _________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I figure there are as many like me as like you. I was calcium

arrogant, thought the blood work passed for bone work, knew I was taking way

more calcium (whatever) than the average. If Sue hadn't kept on, I'd never

have scanned.

And like me, those who insist on calcium arrogance will have the utter SHOCK

of standing there in the doc's hallway waiting for dad's appt and having the

nurse pass by and go, " Oh by the way, you have osteoporosis, pretty bad,

too. Doing any wt bearing exercise? " and walking on by. It took me 3 months

to get my jaw off the floor.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: calcium

> >> the fact that calcium citrate works better than carbonate was not known

> years ago. we know it now though!<<

>

> It is funny, though, how much people will ARGUE about this...especially on

> the big OSSG list.

>

> My feeling is this..

>

> They say that we MIGHT absorb SOME of calcium carbonate

> There say that we MIGHT absorb MORE of calcium citrate

>

> Wouldn't you do the latter just in case???? I mean, I would rather do it,

> and later find out that it isn't any better than others, than NOT do it

and

> find out later that it IS better.

>

> Plus..my being of caucasion european decent, and my mom having

osteoporosis,

> I need to be extra careful.

>

> (note..I believe we DO absorb more Citrate...just trying to reason for

those

> who don't seem to care)

>

> Blessings,

> Lou

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Make God laugh - plan for the future.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 2 Years Post Op ~ Loss: 322 Pounds!

> http://www.ptl4wls.com

> " I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears. Surely..I will heal

you. "

> 2 Kings 20:5

>

>

> _________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I showed no further loss, which is good for me, since I can't even use the

Rx Miacalcin. I took " my " calcium + boron + iprifalvone. But I didn't have

the minerals for the entire 12 months. Don started later, when I had them

all here, so he took 12 months of " my " calcium + boron + ipriflavone AND the

Miacalcin and he showed actually regrowth.

Thanks,

www.vitalady.com

Re: calcium

> So it actually " improved " your bone density?

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> thanks so much,

> flo

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