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You didn't say what foods are causing the problem? And you said that they

did not repeat when tested alone? I mean, one of my friends became allergic

to these 3 that often go together at about age 35.

legumes

dairy

shellfish

Ring any bells?

Another friend found herself allergic to iodine (seafood) about age 37 or

so.

And my ex suddenly became allergic to penicillin at age 35.

Interesting, yes?

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Allergies

> Has anyone had any food allergies since WLS? I am 21 months post-op

> and I am having horrific food allergies. I must keep liquid Benadryl

> with me at all times.

>

> The symptoms are:

> 1. Hives and welts on my face, scalp, armpits, and pubic area.

> 2. Swelling of eyes and mouth.

> 3. Intense itching.

> 4. Difficulty breathing.

>

> The foods that cause my reaction are foods that I have always eaten or

> have grown-up on.

>

> I did a test last week after I had an allergic reaction after eating

> dinner. The next day, I ate the same foods one at a time. Amazingly,

> I did not have a reaction to anything. I ate the same food again the

> next day, and no reaction.

>

> I had a horrific reaction last night and I am scared. I need to drink

> more Benadryl and it is taking longer to work.

>

> I have an appointment with an allergist soon. But the doctor sounds

> just as confused as I am. Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

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Hi

I just wanted to say that my son Adam (9 years old on Tuesday) does not

suffer from any allergies. But then again, allergies do not run in my family

nor his father's. I think our children tend to suffer the common childhood

problems (asthma, ear infections, allergies) in addition to their RSS and we

are always wondering if there is some kind of a connection.

My son has a lazy eye, but I never thought to examine if that was related to

the RSS as my sister had one and one of Adam's paternal aunts also did.

But I do sympathize with your struggles with your doctor. We seem to

continually fight on so many fronts when it comes to our children's health

that it can be so discouraging. Try as hard as you can to find an alternate

doctor who treats childhood allergies, but I'm sure you are doing that

already.

Debby

Allergies

> Hello Everyone,

>

> My son Jack has several known food allergies, but we are still trying

> to identify others since he continues to show dark circles under the

> eyes. Are allergies or dark circles common traits with RSS kids?

>

> I hope you do not mind my venting, but I am beginning to think that

> Jack's allergy doctor just goes through the motions and does not have

> a clue in regards to other methods of treatment. My allergist, who

> unfortunately does not see children, has done wonders for me and

> helped minimize my fibromyalgia. When I mention some of the methods

> my allergist uses, he dismisses them as not effective.

>

> I don't know, maybe I'm being too impatient. I just want instant

> results sometime, and I want Jack not to be plagued by any of this.

> I wish I had a magic wand to get rid of even the allergies.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Fred,

In talking about conventional allergy tests you said, " ...but typically

conventional allergists do not check IgA, IgM, IgD, and IgG, and more

importantly the IgG subclasses (IgG1, IgG2, IgG3, IgG4). " My daughter was

treated for hypogammaglobulinemia when she was a toddler because these tests

*were* done and disclosed that her total IgG was low because of a very low IgG4

reading. She was treated with I.V. gammaglobulin for nearly a year, and her IgG

levels have tested normal ever since. This treatment did help her to not get

standard infections as severely as she had in the past - ear infections had

turned her so lethargic that meningitis was suspected and a bad cold caught from

another toddler turned into pneumonia - but did not cure her minor " allergy "

symptoms. She has since grown out of them, most noticeably the constant sinus

drainage, but that didn't happen until just a couple of years ago, as her

Eustachian tubes and other " plumbing " matured. And no allergies were ever

diagnosed by *any* of the testing that was performed - invasive/non-invasive,

conventional/nonconventional. I just wanted to mention this as I didn't want

anyone misunderstanding the tests you mentioned. Ig or T cell and B cell

lymphocytes testing is testing of the immune system function and not testing for

specific allergies, and treating immune system problems is not a " cure-all " for

allergy-like symptoms.

I agree with , that the dark circles under the eyes are often noticed

just because they are underweight, just like the blood veins show more then. My

daughters' dark circles and prominent blood veins in her head " disappeared "

after she was put on Periactin & picked up more body fat. Other non-RSS kids

who are thin (like kids with cancer who are having chemo) also have the dark

circles, but don't have allergies.

Chris

mom of Charissa (17 yrs. *today*!, 5 ft 2.5 in., 111 lbs. still, graduate of

Protropin and Periactin, GHD, ADD, ???, immature & late puberty, RSS(?),

and (13 yrs., none of the above :)

wife of Dave

> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:24:25 -0000

> From: RSSquest001@...

> Subject: Re: Allergies

>

> " " - I think it is important to point out that all the=20

> testing that my doctors perform are substantially less invasive and=20

> considered safer than conventional medical practices. Generally,=20

> tests that might be involved include an analysis of urine or stool or=20

> a sensor lightly touching various acupuncture points. Conventional=20

> skin tests and blood tests are fine for identifying the IgE immediate=20

> type of allergic response, but typically conventional allergists do=20

> not check IgA, IgM, IgD, and IgG, and more importantly the IgG=20

> subclasses (IgG1, IgG2, IgG3, IgG4). The other symptoms you mention=20

> such as diarrhea, blood in stool, runny nose, etc., certainly can be=20

> indicators of allergies. I would like to mention that there are many=20

> signs of allergies that are obvious, but there are also many signs=20

> that are not as obvious.=20

>

> I believe that our RSS kids should get an accurate assessment of=20

> possible allergies to help minimize the additional stressors or load,=20

> on the immune system. After all RSS is a syndrome comprised of many=20

> different traits and problems. In addition, there is no singular=20

> approach to achieve a maintainable semblance of health. Therefore,=20

> undertaking a different spectrum allergy testing is worth looking=20

> into because it could potentially reduce some of the symptoms of=20

> RSS. I know that reducing allergins has worked well with my=20

> daughter.=20

>

> Fred

>

>

>

> > " Fred " - Don't forget that virtually all RSS children who are=20

> > underweight have some type of darker circles under their eyes. This=20

> > has to do with the low body fat and lack of muscle (you can also=20

> > often see the veins in their faces and foreheads as well). The=20

> > allergy idea might sound good except that it you look at these same=20

> > kids once they have put on weight, the dark circles disappear.

> >=20

> > But myself, who has grass allergies, despite extra weight, my=20

> allergy=20

> > shiners do not disappear.

> >=20

> > Therefore, I would also recommend that if your child has no other=20

> > symptom other than just circles under the eye (and the thinness of=20

> > RSS), that if skin tests or blood tests don't show an allergy, and=20

> > there are no other symptoms such as diarrhea, or blood in the=20

> stool,=20

> > or runny nose, or post-nasal drip, or other allergy symptoms, then=20

> > why put the child through even more tests?

> >=20

> > Granted, there are RSS children with severe and moderate allergies=20

> > (just like the normal population). But most have symptoms of some=20

> > type besides the dark circles under their eyes.

> >=20

> > I personally would not put my child through more stuff just based=20

> on=20

> > circles under the eyes and no other indication.=20=20

> >=20

> > I would also remind everyone to always check with your doctor, your=20

> > pharmacist and/or your homeopathic person before using remedies=20

> > designed for an adult on a child.

> >=20

> > =20

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Fred, I have to agree with Chris. I just got off the phone with two

immunologists, Dr. Song and Dr. Ghodsi Madani. Both stated

that the tests you mentioned all have nothing to do with allergies -

they are immune system tests (with the exception of the subclass IgG4

test, which is currently in dispute over whether or not it is related

to allergies).

Both stated that a person with severe allergies, both food and other,

can test 100% normal on these tests. (In fact, I am one of those

persons. I have a severe allergy to grass, moderate allergies to

dust mites, dog and some foods -and yet I tested within the normal

range for all of the Ig tests you mentioned below).

You are correct that a child should get these tests run if that

person is fatigued, and/or continually is getting infections, etc.

But dark circles under the eyes and common allergy symptoms would not

normally warrant getting these tests being run - unless the person

was also having sinus infections, throat infections or other

immunological responses that indicated a possible problem with their

immune system.

> > > " Fred " - Don't forget that virtually all RSS children who are=20

> > > underweight have some type of darker circles under their eyes.

This=20

> > > has to do with the low body fat and lack of muscle (you can

also=20

> > > often see the veins in their faces and foreheads as well).

The=20

> > > allergy idea might sound good except that it you look at these

same=20

> > > kids once they have put on weight, the dark circles disappear.

> > >=20

> > > But myself, who has grass allergies, despite extra weight, my=20

> > allergy=20

> > > shiners do not disappear.

> > >=20

> > > Therefore, I would also recommend that if your child has no

other=20

> > > symptom other than just circles under the eye (and the thinness

of=20

> > > RSS), that if skin tests or blood tests don't show an allergy,

and=20

> > > there are no other symptoms such as diarrhea, or blood in the=20

> > stool,=20

> > > or runny nose, or post-nasal drip, or other allergy symptoms,

then=20

> > > why put the child through even more tests?

> > >=20

> > > Granted, there are RSS children with severe and moderate

allergies=20

> > > (just like the normal population). But most have symptoms of

some=20

> > > type besides the dark circles under their eyes.

> > >=20

> > > I personally would not put my child through more stuff just

based=20

> > on=20

> > > circles under the eyes and no other indication.=20=20

> > >=20

> > > I would also remind everyone to always check with your doctor,

your=20

> > > pharmacist and/or your homeopathic person before using

remedies=20

> > > designed for an adult on a child.

> > >=20

> > > =20

>

>

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Hi Inga,

The periactin did *nothing* to relieve the sinus drainage. The

circles were less noticible as Charissa gained weight - the more

weight she put on the less the circles showed. This was easy

to " prove " as she was part of a study on the effects of Periactin &

was on it 6 months then off it for the next 6 months & we had to

chart everything. Periactin may be an antihistimine, but it works

much better as an appetite stimulate than an antihistimine!

Chris

> Periactin is used to treat allergies, though, so that could be part

of the

> reason...

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Hi ,

Thanks for your response.

I can respect what your conventional doctors have to say; this is the

standard " in the box " type of response that was drilled into them

since medical school. Some conventionally trained doctors who have

taken the best approaches from both the conventional and alternative

medicine tend to be more open-minded. These are the types of doctors

I have principally relied on.

I am sure we could debate back and forth both trying to play doctor,

but I think this would be a disservice to this list and possibly

dangerous. Instead, may I recommend that you first educate yourself

more about alternative medicine and then a subsequent conversation

for the whole list would be more meaningful. May I suggest reading

an excellent book, " Road to Immunity " by Bock, MD. This book

can be found in most of the larger chain bookstores or ordered for

only $14 (ISBN: 0-671-54507-8). For that matter, I strongly

recommend that everyone read this book. It will be worth the time

for yourself and the health of your child.

For everyone on this list serve to have a better understanding of

alternative medicine, maybe it would be best to create a direct

dialogue with a competent alternative practitioner, rather than using

this cumbersome written forum. Why not have an alternative doctor

speak at the next Magic Convention in July. I would be happy to try

and make arrangements. Not only could allergies be discussed but

also include other subjects such as nutrition. I am sure this would

be of interest to many people since the past speakers only have

conventional background. Since you mentioned the distinct

possibility of expanding the Convention, there assuredly be time for

an alternative doctor to present. What do you think ?

Lastly, perhaps you misinterpreted what I said about Ig classes other

than IgE, I made no mention about allergic reactions with these other

classes, I just stated that conventional medicine typically do not

test them. The two conventional doctors that you spoke with

mentioned that there currently is a dispute in medicine as to whether

or not the IgG4 is related to allergies. The doctors I deal with

believe that IgG4 is related to allergies and many times, not always,

helps them in identifying allergies. This typically is a major area

of contention between the conventional and alternative worlds.

Additionally, my doctors will perform other tests that I am sure

conventional medicine is not overly familiar with. I would not

dispute that you personally tested in the " normal range " although you

have allergies. Did your doctors ever perform the ELISA/ACT test

(not the ELISA test)? To gain greater insight into these issues I

again recommend that you read " Road to Immunity " . Look forward to

hearing from you.

Fred

> > > > " Fred " - Don't forget that virtually all RSS children who

are=20

> > > > underweight have some type of darker circles under their

eyes.

> This=20

> > > > has to do with the low body fat and lack of muscle (you can

> also=20

> > > > often see the veins in their faces and foreheads as well).

> The=20

> > > > allergy idea might sound good except that it you look at

these

> same=20

> > > > kids once they have put on weight, the dark circles disappear.

> > > >=20

> > > > But myself, who has grass allergies, despite extra weight,

my=20

> > > allergy=20

> > > > shiners do not disappear.

> > > >=20

> > > > Therefore, I would also recommend that if your child has no

> other=20

> > > > symptom other than just circles under the eye (and the

thinness

> of=20

> > > > RSS), that if skin tests or blood tests don't show an

allergy,

> and=20

> > > > there are no other symptoms such as diarrhea, or blood in

the=20

> > > stool,=20

> > > > or runny nose, or post-nasal drip, or other allergy symptoms,

> then=20

> > > > why put the child through even more tests?

> > > >=20

> > > > Granted, there are RSS children with severe and moderate

> allergies=20

> > > > (just like the normal population). But most have symptoms of

> some=20

> > > > type besides the dark circles under their eyes.

> > > >=20

> > > > I personally would not put my child through more stuff just

> based=20

> > > on=20

> > > > circles under the eyes and no other indication.=20=20

> > > >=20

> > > > I would also remind everyone to always check with your

doctor,

> your=20

> > > > pharmacist and/or your homeopathic person before using

> remedies=20

> > > > designed for an adult on a child.

> > > >=20

> > > > =20

> >

> >

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Hi

Your doctor should be commended for doing the broader array of Ig

tests and not stop with IgE.

You mentioned that no allergies were diagnosed with testing even

though your daughter still had minor allergy symptoms. I am curious

what tests were performed on your daughter to identify allergies.

You commented that Ig testing is only useful for identifying immune

function and not specific allergies. As the conventional doctors

that mentioned consulting with in her posting today, there

is currently a dispute in medicine as to whether or not IgG4 is

related to allergies. My doctors happen to believe that IgG4 is

related to allergies and many times, not always, helps them in

identifying allergies. If you are interested in understanding this

subject matter further, I suggest that you read, the " Road to

Immunity " by Bock, MD. This book addresses many of the

issues you raised. It can be found in most of the larger chain

bookstores or ordered for only $14 (ISBN: 0-671-54507-8).

Fred

> > > " Fred " - Don't forget that virtually all RSS children who are=20

> > > underweight have some type of darker circles under their eyes.

This=20

> > > has to do with the low body fat and lack of muscle (you can

also=20

> > > often see the veins in their faces and foreheads as well).

The=20

> > > allergy idea might sound good except that it you look at these

same=20

> > > kids once they have put on weight, the dark circles disappear.

> > >=20

> > > But myself, who has grass allergies, despite extra weight, my=20

> > allergy=20

> > > shiners do not disappear.

> > >=20

> > > Therefore, I would also recommend that if your child has no

other=20

> > > symptom other than just circles under the eye (and the thinness

of=20

> > > RSS), that if skin tests or blood tests don't show an allergy,

and=20

> > > there are no other symptoms such as diarrhea, or blood in the=20

> > stool,=20

> > > or runny nose, or post-nasal drip, or other allergy symptoms,

then=20

> > > why put the child through even more tests?

> > >=20

> > > Granted, there are RSS children with severe and moderate

allergies=20

> > > (just like the normal population). But most have symptoms of

some=20

> > > type besides the dark circles under their eyes.

> > >=20

> > > I personally would not put my child through more stuff just

based=20

> > on=20

> > > circles under the eyes and no other indication.=20=20

> > >=20

> > > I would also remind everyone to always check with your doctor,

your=20

> > > pharmacist and/or your homeopathic person before using

remedies=20

> > > designed for an adult on a child.

> > >=20

> > > =20

>

>

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Fred,

The doctor who ran the extensive immune function tests was an infectious

disease specialist at a major teaching hospital. When the testing was done it

was standard protocol for this doctor to perform these tests on patients with

the type of severe infection history that my daughter had. I don't have a list

of all the other tests that were performed as the initial testing began over 16

years and several major moves ago. But she had testing done with conventional

doctors as well as some alternative practioners. (My daughter just turned 17.)

I don't have copies of all her medical reports, and as it is I have a 4 inch

thick file.

As I mentioned before, my daughter completed a year of gammaglobulin injections.

She has had several subsequent Ig and T cell and B cell lymphocytes testings

that always came back with normal readings. There may or may not be a

correlation between IgG4 deficiencies and allergies, but when my daughter's

readings became normal she still had sinus drainage & ear infection problems,

though the infections were not nearly as severe as before. The gammaglobulin

treatment did not get rid of the mucus problem, it just helped build up her

immune system so her body could fight off the infection better when the

secretions couldn't drain. And as I mentioned, she no longer has the mucus

problem. It seemed to gradually lessen as she neared her adult size. I don’t

believe this would be the case if it was allergy related. In the past 17 years

we have lived in every type of climate and metropolitan area the U.S. has -

everything from the Los Angeles area to a remote village in Alaska. None of the

areas we have lived caused a drastic change in symptoms. We have pets, one house

we lived in had a severe mildew problem, her diet has not changed, yet her

allergy symptoms gradually lessened and are now gone. That is why we believe

that the problem ceased when her Eustachian tubes and other " plumbing " matured

enough to function adequately.

I will check out the book, I'm always open to gathering information & making

informed decisions. I do believe that many people have allergies, and that the

symptoms are varied and treatable - I have a food additive allergy myself. But

from our experience, all allergy-like symptoms were not allergy related.

Chris

> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:05:06 -0000

> From: RSSquest001@...

> Subject: Re: Allergies

>

> Hi

>

> Your doctor should be commended for doing the broader array of Ig

> tests and not stop with IgE.

>

> You mentioned that no allergies were diagnosed with testing even

> though your daughter still had minor allergy symptoms. I am curious

> what tests were performed on your daughter to identify allergies.

> You commented that Ig testing is only useful for identifying immune

> function and not specific allergies. As the conventional doctors

> that mentioned consulting with in her posting today, there

> is currently a dispute in medicine as to whether or not IgG4 is

> related to allergies. My doctors happen to believe that IgG4 is

> related to allergies and many times, not always, helps them in

> identifying allergies. If you are interested in understanding this

> subject matter further, I suggest that you read, the " Road to

> Immunity " by Bock, MD. This book addresses many of the

> issues you raised. It can be found in most of the larger chain

> bookstores or ordered for only $14 (ISBN: 0-671-54507-8).

>

> Fred

>

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Hi Fred,

Could you tell me more about this Magic Convention in July? Is it

for all RSS parents and if so how do you register?

I just finished reading the various messages about allergies over the

past few months and found some interesting information. Thanks for

the suggestions. In addition, I just ordered a copy of the book you

mentioned, " Road to Immunity " .

I am curious about your allergist's approach. You mentioned the use

of acupuncture points in testing. For myself I have turned to

holistic medicine to help treat my allergies with excellent results.

My doctor uses something called Muscle Resistance Testing (MRT) which

evaluates the level of muscles weakening when exposed to various

allergens. I believe this also has something to do with

acupuncture. Is this related to what your doctor uses?

Mc

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> > My son Jack has several known food allergies, but we are still

> trying

> > to identify others since he continues to show dark circles under

> the

> > eyes. Are allergies or dark circles common traits with RSS kids?

> >

> > I hope you do not mind my venting, but I am beginning to think

that

> > Jack's allergy doctor just goes through the motions and does not

> have

> > a clue in regards to other methods of treatment. My allergist,

who

> > unfortunately does not see children, has done wonders for me and

> > helped minimize my fibromyalgia. When I mention some of the

> methods

> > my allergist uses, he dismisses them as not effective.

> >

> > I don't know, maybe I'm being too impatient. I just want instant

> > results sometime, and I want Jack not to be plagued by any of

> this.

> > I wish I had a magic wand to get rid of even the allergies.

> >

> >

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Hi ,

As you can see I am far behind on my emails, but the dark circles under the eyes

can be signs of something as small as the lack of fat in the face, allergies, to

even malnutrition. Dark circles also show up in lack of sleep.

Dark circles under the eyes do not automatically mean allergies.

Just my 2 cents.

Carmen, mom to Storm age 6, RSS, 33.22lbs

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have doc write a script for scdcompliant claritin - a comp pharmacy can make it

for you - i take 1 a day

eileen

15 months scd

>

> We are deep into pollen season and my dd is suffering terribly from allergies.

I have her using a sinus rinse and showering when she comes home. What else can

I do to alleviate her symptoms? Any meds legal? She is coming up to the two

year mark onSCD and is, thank G-d, doing great. Would an antihistamine be

possible? Anyone find anything that helps and is SCD legal? Thanks!

>

> Peggie, mom of Keli CD 2 1/2 yrs

> SCD 2 yrs

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I use nettle (from the stinging nettle plant) as a natural

antihistamine, and have for some years. As long as the capsules don’t

have illegals added I wouldn’t see it being a problem. I still take it,

and I have no problem with it re: my digestion (I have Crohn’s).

Like other herbs and natural remedies, some people don’t

respond to it much, and some not at all. But many do. I do, and I find it

very helpful for drying up the sinuses re: allergies. But also like some other

herbs, it takes a few days or even a week to get into your system so that you’ll

feel effects. So if you try it don’t expect instant or near instant

relief like you would get with a pharmaceutical antihistamine. Once it’s

in your system, it doesn’t take long to respond to it, even if you haven’t

taken it in a little while.

Nettle is available from a bunch of different companies. Look

for capsules that have no bad additives re: SCD. Also, some brands use the

nettle leafs, some the roots, some a combination of the two. I’m not sure

if one or the other is better. I’ve used all three preparations but don’t

recall there being a difference re: effectiveness. BTW, it’s also available

in liquid form (and in alcohol-free liquid form). Check out www.luckyvitamin.com, e.g., search “nettle”

and you’ll see numerous brands/types, with their capsule or other

ingredients listed.

n

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Subject: allergies

We are deep into pollen season and my dd is

suffering terribly from allergies. I have her using a sinus rinse and showering

when she comes home. What else can I do to alleviate her symptoms? Any meds

legal? She is coming up to the two year mark onSCD and is, thank G-d, doing

great. Would an antihistamine be possible? Anyone find anything that helps and

is SCD legal? Thanks!

Peggie, mom of Keli CD 2 1/2 yrs

SCD 2 yrs

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When I started eating SCD, I also started eating raw local honey. It's done

wonders! I'm at least 75% better this Spring then I was last year. I still have

a little drainage, but rarely itch. To cover as many bases as possible, I got

some Orange Blossom, Mesquite, and Desert Blossom Honey (I live in Arizona).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> We are deep into pollen season and my dd is suffering terribly from allergies.

I have her using a sinus rinse and showering when she comes home. What else can

I do to alleviate her symptoms? Any meds legal? She is coming up to the two

year mark onSCD and is, thank G-d, doing great. Would an antihistamine be

possible? Anyone find anything that helps and is SCD legal? Thanks!

>

> Peggie, mom of Keli CD 2 1/2 yrs

> SCD 2 yrs

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