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Debbie, it seems to be working fine. I sometimes wonder why some of my post

aren't showing up too. Maybe it's this virus or maybe Yahoo is having

troubles too.

Later, JD in AZ

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> this works.

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" Crikey!! That was a close one!!! " (impersonating the Crocodile Hunter)

Adam from South Oz

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Ok.. ill iognore it, and will not reply to it.... :-)

Bobfather

" Children are a gift from a Bob " -rugrats

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Yahoo groups was down most of yesterday ..so that's why no mail. Looks like it's working now

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: ljr Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:06 AMTo: NF2_Crew Subject: Test

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Hi, May...welcome to the list.

I don't know if this is your first day here or if you've been lurking

for a while. . I have a " standard newby letter " that I post whenever it

seems appropriate and I just posted it the other day for another newby.

If you've already read it, you can skip this. If you missed it last time

'round, here it is again...

First of all, let me refer you to two of the best books about diabetes.

Read 'em and you'll learn a lot:

The first one is called

" The First Year, Type Two Diabetes, An Essential Guide for the Newly

Diagnosed " by Gretchen Becker. Gretchen is a list member and her book

is an excellent guide. It's in paperback and available online from

Amazon if your local bookstore doesn't have it.

The second book is called

" Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. You

can get it from the library but it's such a good reference that you

really should have it in your home library. Dr. Bernstein is a longtime

type 1 who controls his diabetes using a lowcarb diet as well as

insulin.. Many of us - both type 1 and 2 -- on this list have found

great success using his plan or a modified version thereof.

.

And here's the URL to Dr. Bernstein's website, where there's lots of

good stuff:

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml

These two books will give you good basic information on the ins and

outs of diabetes management.

I would further refer you to an excellent informational website titled "

" What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes "

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

If it isn't there for some reason, let me know and I can email you the

contents -- I have it in my archives now.

I would also refer you to Mendosa's website, where

there's a wealth of diabetic information and good links. He also has

an online diabetes newsletter which is very good. It's also an

excellent source for information about the GI index (glycemic index).

www.mendosa.com

There's one thing that's sure to make BGs rise and that's carbohydrates.

Cutting out high GI carbs is an excellent way to control your BGs and

the more you cut, the better. Most of us find that the " whites " --

breads, cereals and pastas, in fact anything made with grain - will

raise our BGs. Also, rice and potatoes will do the same. And of course,

cakes and cookies and sweets of all kinds, including fruits and fruit

juices.

Watch out for " low calorie " foods; often they're higher in carbs. Learn

to read food labels.

Dr. Bernstein recommends about 40 carbs a day total. This is really only

for the dedictated low carber and IMHO hard to maintain over the long

run. However, I've read that the average American eats about 300 carbs a

day, so the truth is somewhere in between. The best thing you can do

for yourself (if you haven't already) is buy a meter and use it

FREQUENTLY. At the beginning you want to learn how different foods

affect your BG and to do this you need to eat one food at a time,

testing first...then test one and two hours afterwards. Weigh out the

amounts and keep good notes. You'll use up a lot of strips in the

beginning but the rewards are definitely worth the expense and bother

because in the end, you'll know what foods to avoid and which are okay.

Diabetes is a very individual disease and we often say " YMMV " - " your

mileage may vary " -- what works for one may not work for another.

You want to aim for postprandial (two hours after meal) BG of 120.

Keeping your BGs between 70 and 140 are your goals. If you can do this

longterm, you can probably avoid the dreaded consequences of longterm

poor BG control...and I'm sure I don't have to list those for you. (I

will if you want, though).

Here's my own list of pretty lowcarb veggies:

Spinach

Cauliflower

Broccoli

Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck)

Spaghetti squash

Mushrooms

Asparagus

Greenbeans

Cabbage

Sauerkraut

And of course lettuce and avocados which aren't a veggie but a

fruit .but they're definitely lowcarb. I have a large mixed lettuce

salad with avocado every night with dinner.

You can eat a reasonable portion (4-6 ounces) of meat, chicken, fish

without problem; it's all protein, no carbs.

Berries are the lowest carb fruit but even so, you should eat them very

sparingly. Here's the website of the USDA, which you'll find very

helpful. It has carbs, calories, protein, etc.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

It's helpful to have a food scale. A cup measure isn't nearly so

accurate. I use a Salter scale. It weighs in both grams and ounces and

cost me somewhere around $35. I got mine at a local gourmet shop but

they're available online too. Just do a Google search for " Salter food

scales " .

The A1C is a test that measures your average BG for a three-month period

with slightly more weight given to the latest month. All diabetics

should have this test every three months. And you should ask for, and

keep, copies of all your lab reports.

Good luck. And keep those questions coming. There's a really steep

learning curve at the beginning of your diabetes education but hang in

there -- it will all make sense eventually. And remember -- the only

stupid question is the one you didn't ask.

Vicki, diabetic since 1997, A1Cs comsistently under 6 for a long time,

no complications, planning on forever no complications,

smile.

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>

> Pardon me, everyone, if this appears twice, but it was my first post,

> and I didn't see it appear on the list.

> ****************************

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm a new member, just joined the list about a week ago, so I thought

> I'd introduce myself.

>

> My name is May. I'm 53 years old, living in central Connecticut with

> my significant other, , four kitties, and a blind black lab who

> had a brief career as a guide dog. I was recently diagnosed with type

> 2 diabetes, after having gestational diabetes over a quarter century

> ago.

>

> In January of last year I underwent two surgeries for breast cancer,

> then had chemo and radiation. In June, just before the radiation, I

> went to my primary care physician about a cut I'd gotten in the palm

> of my hand in April, very stupidly trying to pry a plastic cap off a

> jar of Planter's peanuts--with a paring knife. At the time, my

> biggest fear was that my final chemo would be delayed, but I was told

> no, you'd be screaming in pain if you had an infection. The chemo

> went off on time, then pus started leaking from my hand. And it's

> never healed. Anyway, in addition to looking at the cut, my doc ran

> some regular blood tests, and my fasting blood glucose was 187. My

> A1c was 6.3.

>

> " I'm not ready to call you a diabetic yet " , he said. Chemo, he told

> me, with the huge doses of steroids they give with it, can really

> screw up your blood chemistry. He suggested retesting after a couple

> of months.

>

> Then I was at a 'senior expo', along with my local hospital's diabetes

> clinic. They were doing two-hour post-prandial testing, and the rest

> is history. I'm at the point right now where I'm still trying to get

> the blood glucose (and lipids) under good control. My doc has

> switched me from Inderal to Lisinipril, and wants to put my on a

> statin, but I'm holding off on that one. Fish oils, policosanol, and

> maybe a few other supplements sound like a better idea to me. Many of

> the supplements I took for the breast cancer, such as alpha lipoic

> acid, turn out to be good for diabetes as well. So I'm reading

> (Gretchen Baker's book), googling, and stuffing my head as full as my

> chemo-brain will let me.

>

> I'll have lots of questions. For now, I'll say, thanks, y'all, for

> being here!

>

> May

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi, May...welcome to the list.

Thanks!

>

> " The First Year, Type Two Diabetes, An Essential Guide for the Newly

> Diagnosed " by Gretchen Becker. Gretchen is a list member and her book

> is an excellent guide.

I'm reading it right now. It's very helpful indeed.

>

> The second book is called

>

> " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. You

> can get it from the library but it's such a good reference that you

> really should have it in your home library. Dr. Bernstein is a longtime

> type 1 who controls his diabetes using a lowcarb diet as well as

> insulin.. Many of us - both type 1 and 2 -- on this list have found

> great success using his plan or a modified version thereof.

I've looked at that one...and I do have questions about it. If you

cut down your carbs that low, what do you do fill in with? Too much

protein might eventually harm the kidneys, no? Plus I am on Arimidex

to lower the risk of breast cancer recurrence, and it can raise the

risk of osteoporosis, which both my parents had...and large amounts of

protein are said to contribute to that.

Thanks for the websites too. I had already discovered mendosa.com.

>

> The best thing you can do

> for yourself (if you haven't already) is buy a meter and use it

> FREQUENTLY. At the beginning you want to learn how different foods

> affect your BG and to do this you need to eat one food at a time,

> testing first...then test one and two hours afterwards. Weigh out the

> amounts and keep good notes. You'll use up a lot of strips in the

> beginning but the rewards are definitely worth the expense and bother

> because in the end, you'll know what foods to avoid and which are okay.

>

> You want to aim for postprandial (two hours after meal) BG of 120.

> Keeping your BGs between 70 and 140 are your goals. If you can do this

> longterm, you can probably avoid the dreaded consequences of longterm

> poor BG control...and I'm sure I don't have to list those for you. (I

> will if you want, though).

Insurance paid for my first meter, with the usual $15 co-pay. Right

now my biggest problem is that no matter what I eat (or don't) at

dinner and bedtime, my fasting blood glucose in the morning ranges

from about 110 to about 155. I know about the liver and its release

of glucose and all that, but I'm confused as to why it doesn't seem to

be related to the food I've consumed at all.

Thanks for all your help. I'll have lots and lots of questions.

May

[Guest guest]

Hi, May...the business about " too much protein damages your kidneys " is

an old wive's tale (although there are some dietitians who still believe

this. They're wrong.) . If your kidneys are healthy -- and I assume

that they are -- a lower carb diet won't CAUSE damage.

Further, Dr. Bernstein's 40 carbs per day is sort of extreme, IMHO. But

as I mentioned, it's possible to control BGs on about 100 carbs a day.

That's about what I eat. (But I do use insulin, as a type 1).

The best thing is to test different foods.

If you have pre-existing kidney problems then a very lowcarb diet isn't

recommended. However, there's a happy medium. Low carb doesn't

necessarily mean high protein. You CAN increase your fat intake

somewhat without causing weight gain. You must figure exercise into the

equation too.

Vicki

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>

>

>> Hi, May...welcome to the list.

>

> Thanks!

>>

>> " The First Year, Type Two Diabetes, An Essential Guide for the Newly

>> Diagnosed " by Gretchen Becker. Gretchen is a list member and her

>> book

>> is an excellent guide.

>

> I'm reading it right now. It's very helpful indeed.

>>

>> The second book is called

>>

>> " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D.

>> You

>> can get it from the library but it's such a good reference that you

>> really should have it in your home library. Dr. Bernstein is a

>> longtime

>> type 1 who controls his diabetes using a lowcarb diet as well as

>> insulin.. Many of us - both type 1 and 2 -- on this list have

>> found

>> great success using his plan or a modified version thereof.

>

> I've looked at that one...and I do have questions about it. If you

> cut down your carbs that low, what do you do fill in with? Too much

> protein might eventually harm the kidneys, no? Plus I am on Arimidex

> to lower the risk of breast cancer recurrence, and it can raise the

> risk of osteoporosis, which both my parents had...and large amounts of

> protein are said to contribute to that.

>

> Thanks for the websites too. I had already discovered mendosa.com.

>>

>> The best thing you can do

>> for yourself (if you haven't already) is buy a meter and use it

>> FREQUENTLY. At the beginning you want to learn how different foods

>> affect your BG and to do this you need to eat one food at a time,

>> testing first...then test one and two hours afterwards. Weigh out the

>> amounts and keep good notes. You'll use up a lot of strips in the

>> beginning but the rewards are definitely worth the expense and bother

>> because in the end, you'll know what foods to avoid and which are

>> okay.

>>

>> You want to aim for postprandial (two hours after meal) BG of 120.

>> Keeping your BGs between 70 and 140 are your goals. If you can do

>> this

>> longterm, you can probably avoid the dreaded consequences of longterm

>> poor BG control...and I'm sure I don't have to list those for you. (I

>> will if you want, though).

>

> Insurance paid for my first meter, with the usual $15 co-pay. Right

> now my biggest problem is that no matter what I eat (or don't) at

> dinner and bedtime, my fasting blood glucose in the morning ranges

> from about 110 to about 155. I know about the liver and its release

> of glucose and all that, but I'm confused as to why it doesn't seem to

> be related to the food I've consumed at all.

>

> Thanks for all your help. I'll have lots and lots of questions.

>

> May

[Guest guest]

> Hi, May...the business about " too much protein damages your kidneys " is

> an old wive's tale (although there are some dietitians who still believe

> this. They're wrong.) . If your kidneys are healthy -- and I assume

> that they are -- a lower carb diet won't CAUSE damage.

Yes, so far so good.

>

> Further, Dr. Bernstein's 40 carbs per day is sort of extreme, IMHO. But

> as I mentioned, it's possible to control BGs on about 100 carbs a day.

> That's about what I eat. (But I do use insulin, as a type 1).

> The best thing is to test different foods.

Again, so far so good, during the day. Morning is the biggest

problem, and doesn't seem to be related to the food I eat the evening

before.

The dietician recommended no less than 150 grams of carbohydrate a

day, which at this point seems to be fine. She suggested that too

little carb in the evening might exacerbate the morning BG rise. Do

you think that's true?

>

> If you have pre-existing kidney problems then a very lowcarb diet isn't

> recommended. However, there's a happy medium. Low carb doesn't

> necessarily mean high protein. You CAN increase your fat intake

> somewhat without causing weight gain.

Well, thanks, Vicki. The people at my diabetes clinic, as well as my

primary care physician, *are* sort of stuck in the USDA food pyramid.

I'm losing a lot of the weight I gained on chemo, though I eat more

fat than they recommend, and certainly don't plan to give up olive

oil, which I think is really good for you (or me, anyway!)...boy, I

sure do have a lot to learn. I do appreciate your help.

May

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

When I was first put on insulin it was while I was hospitalized with CHF.

After being in there a week and them managing my BG, I was put on a diet of

45-60g of carbs per meal. Of course things have changed now and I haven't

followed my eating plan for some time. I am getting back on the right track

and I sure hope I stay there this time. I think 45-60 might be too much for

me right now, but it isn't too far off base I don't think. I'll know more

about this within a wk or two as I am tracking everything that goes in my

mouth and in my belly through the syringe.

Hugs,

Tommie

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

When I was first put on insulin it was while I was hospitalized with CHF.

After being in there a week and them managing my BG, I was put on a diet of

45-60g of carbs per meal. Of course things have changed now and I haven't

followed my eating plan for some time. I am getting back on the right track

and I sure hope I stay there this time. I think 45-60 might be too much for

me right now, but it isn't too far off base I don't think. I'll know more

about this within a wk or two as I am tracking everything that goes in my

mouth and in my belly through the syringe.

Hugs,

Tommie

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

When I was first put on insulin it was while I was hospitalized with CHF.

After being in there a week and them managing my BG, I was put on a diet of

45-60g of carbs per meal. Of course things have changed now and I haven't

followed my eating plan for some time. I am getting back on the right track

and I sure hope I stay there this time. I think 45-60 might be too much for

me right now, but it isn't too far off base I don't think. I'll know more

about this within a wk or two as I am tracking everything that goes in my

mouth and in my belly through the syringe.

Hugs,

Tommie

[Guest guest]

May, diabetes affects different people in different ways and that's why

testing is so important.

Your dietitian's comment that too few carbs may make BGs go up the next

morning is exactly opposite of what I, and a lot of others on this list

have discovered. Too MANY carbs in the evening can make BGs go up the

next morning.

But maybe it doesn't work that way for you. As I said, the only thing

to do is test, keep good records of what you ate (including amounts) and

what your BGs are the next morning. Do this for a week. That'll give

you the right answer for YOU.

Vicki

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> The dietician recommended no less than 150 grams of carbohydrate a

> day, which at this point seems to be fine. She suggested that too

> little carb in the evening might exacerbate the morning BG rise. Do

> you think that's true?

>>

[Guest guest]

Just testing. I got a message I was bouncing so I wanted to check &

make sure my email was working now. Not sure why it bounced. The other

groups I have w/ this email addy weren't bouncing. With yahoo...who knows?

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