Re: Is Plaquenil making me worse? TOM

[Guest guest]

D & M you just said something that made me think....

I am starting a fast today to test for food allergies and the book

said not to take any medications or vitamin supplements while on the

fast. I was planning on fasting for 5-7 days depending on how I feel.

I am currently taking Minocin MWF 100mg but was planning on stopping

for the fast.

Do you think that is a huge mistake to do so? I know you say

" Starting antibiotics and stopping shortly makes them grow back again. "

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> You have 2 choices when it comes to medications.  Toxic or

non-toxic.  You can also choose to take none.  Since there is no known

cure, you and all of us just take our chances and go with it.  There

are no guarantees with anything.  Go with what works.  The reason the

pro Infectious people give us for taking a long time to see a

difference is that mycoplasmas are slow growing, and slow dying.  It

is a long battle, like a war.  Starting antibiotics and stopping

shortly makes them grow back again.  Therefore for antibiotics, a

period of years is needed to wipe out the entire colonies of the

bacteria and then some more may be needed for a lifetime as

mycoplasmas are everywhere and we can repick them up  again.  It is a

war and the antibiotics always need to be there.  Think of them as the

soldiers in a war.  Just because we win a battle, we do not withdraw

the troops.  Wars take years, so does certain illnesses. And then some

wars we win and

> some we lose,  No one has ever promised us a tomorrow.  Live for

today.  Dolores & Mike 

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[Guest guest]

Mike I'll be happy to report my experience on this fast. Thanks for

the clarification.

On day 1 now and sipping some broth with almost no calories!

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> Hi Tom, Let me clarify a bit.  I was talking to someone who seems to

not be able to make up it's mind on anything and this person has been

jumping from one thing to another rather quickly and wonders why

nothing is working.  This person (to my knowledge) has been on this

site for about two years saying the same thing.  I was on Minocin for

18 months before I went into remission. I continued as my doctor, at

that time had no other idea than to continue. But I felt I still

needed to step up.  So after several months of research I started on

the Marshall Protocol and am still on it after 13 months and will

continue until I am passed phase 3.  Time line, I figure will be

around year # 4.  I have scleroderma.  One Doctor said he thought I

had R/A and/or MCTD in addition to S/D.  Another said I had CREST. 

Only problem with these diagnosis is that I had some of the symptoms

but not all.  So, I decided that Scleroderma was what I should treat

as they

> all agreed on that. It was the deadliest and it definitely had

attacked my lungs. I was in Pulmonary Fibrosis, and for a short time,

Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension.  My disease began regressing within 6

weeks after starting the Minocin. (The Raynauds was the first to go)

and this continued until all symptoms were stablized and began

healing.  That is when I decided to advance my treatment.  I chose

Marshall because it also included Minocin and added Clindamycin and

Zithromycin at different levels and different dosages.  Much more

complicated, but with great explanation and follow up from the team at

MP.  I was warned that this protocol would make me feel worse at times

and experience herxheimer symptoms.  It did.  But I treated the

symptoms with info from the protocol and concentrated on wiping out

the micoplasmas.  To go on to this long term protocol, I had to stop

the high doses of Minocin I was on and once free of the medication, my

> body could then start the new protocol.  Since micoplasmas are slow

growing, I didn't feel that a 6 week absence would make a difference. 

And it didn't.  It is the starting and stopping and jumping from one

thing to another and not seeing any positive results that makes me

think doing that is contrary to long term remission.   People who jump

around constantly are just looking for instant relief and not focusing

on the cause.  Maybe they don't believe in the Infectious Theory or

maybe it doesn't apply to their disease.  So, the answer is if you are

not in immediate danger like I was with my lungs, go for the food

process.  A few weeks off will not make micoplasmas grow fast enough

to cause further damage. After you have found out what foods work, you

can go back on the Minocin and omit the foods that cause you

problems.  But never lose sight of the cure while treating the

symptoms.  Good luck with your food regimen and let us know how you

> make out.  I am writing a book on how people with these so-called

auto immune diseases cope. I am one who does not believe that the body

is programmed to attack itself.  There has to be a cause of a foreign

substance invading the immune cells to cause the healthy immune cells

to attack the infected immune cells.  That is their job! There are so

many stories, I found so fascinating that I was prompted to start this

book.  I have been researching and writing for almost two years and

have learned so much.  I  would like to put in a chapter about foods

and how they react with and without medication. I would like to use

your input and the story of others like you who are trying different

diets.  So far, I have noticed that Gluten free diets are the most

successful. So now when I go to different supermarkets, I check out

the shelves and notice more and more products being made are gluten

free.  So someone out there must be doing some research

> as the gluten free foods are getting tastier and increasing in

numbers.  Starting a fast has been done for as long as there has been

mankind.  There are many references to fasting in the scriptures.

Starting back on foods that are simple and one at a time is what we do

with babies once they start weaning.  Looking for foods that cause

trouble that way is easy and not confusing.  Once you can find and

eliminate the foods that cause you trouble, I'm sure you will feel

better, but to kill the toxic bacteria will take going back on the

antibiotic.  There is no reason why we can't eliminate foods that are

harmful and continue taking the antibiotic.  After all, we still must

eat to remain alive.  Thank you for the opportunity to clarify. Best

to all of you who are fasting and or changing diets. And thank you to

the moderators of this site for giving us all the opportunities to

learn from each other.  Our best, Dolores & Mike

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[Guest guest]

I made the broth from scratch. I used carrots, potatoes, and celery

with some miso, per the books suggestion. It's not to bad but I'm 29

and stay pretty active, or as much as I can with my hands jacked up.

So I like to eat Which makes it hard hehe

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> > Hi Tom, Let me clarify a bit.  I was talking to someone who seems to

> not be able to make up it's mind on anything and this person has been

> jumping from one thing to another rather quickly and wonders why

> nothing is working.  This person (to my knowledge) has been on this

> site for about two years saying the same thing.  I was on Minocin for

> 18 months before I went into remission. I continued as my doctor, at

> that time had no other idea than to continue. But I felt I still

> needed to step up.  So after several months of research I started on

> the Marshall Protocol and am still on it after 13 months and will

> continue until I am passed phase 3.  Time line, I figure will be

> around year # 4.  I have scleroderma.  One Doctor said he thought I

> had R/A and/or MCTD in addition to S/D.  Another said I had CREST. 

> Only problem with these diagnosis is that I had some of the symptoms

> but not all.  So, I decided that Scleroderma was what I should treat

> as they

> > all agreed on that. It was the deadliest and it definitely had

> attacked my lungs. I was in Pulmonary Fibrosis, and for a short time,

> Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension.  My disease began regressing within 6

> weeks after starting the Minocin. (The Raynauds was the first to go)

> and this continued until all symptoms were stablized and began

> healing.  That is when I decided to advance my treatment.  I chose

> Marshall because it also included Minocin and added Clindamycin and

> Zithromycin at different levels and different dosages.  Much more

> complicated, but with great explanation and follow up from the team at

> MP.  I was warned that this protocol would make me feel worse at times

> and experience herxheimer symptoms.  It did.  But I treated the

> symptoms with info from the protocol and concentrated on wiping out

> the micoplasmas.  To go on to this long term protocol, I had to stop

> the high doses of Minocin I was on and once free of the medication, my

> > body could then start the new protocol.  Since micoplasmas are slow

> growing, I didn't feel that a 6 week absence would make a difference. 

> And it didn't.  It is the starting and stopping and jumping from one

> thing to another and not seeing any positive results that makes me

> think doing that is contrary to long term remission.   People who jump

> around constantly are just looking for instant relief and not focusing

> on the cause.  Maybe they don't believe in the Infectious Theory or

> maybe it doesn't apply to their disease.  So, the answer is if you are

> not in immediate danger like I was with my lungs, go for the food

> process.  A few weeks off will not make micoplasmas grow fast enough

> to cause further damage. After you have found out what foods work, you

> can go back on the Minocin and omit the foods that cause you

> problems.  But never lose sight of the cure while treating the

> symptoms.  Good luck with your food regimen and let us know how you

> > make out.  I am writing a book on how people with these so-called

> auto immune diseases cope. I am one who does not believe that the body

> is programmed to attack itself.  There has to be a cause of a foreign

> substance invading the immune cells to cause the healthy immune cells

> to attack the infected immune cells.  That is their job! There are so

> many stories, I found so fascinating that I was prompted to start this

> book.  I have been researching and writing for almost two years and

> have learned so much.  I  would like to put in a chapter about foods

> and how they react with and without medication. I would like to use

> your input and the story of others like you who are trying different

> diets.  So far, I have noticed that Gluten free diets are the most

> successful. So now when I go to different supermarkets, I check out

> the shelves and notice more and more products being made are gluten

> free.  So someone out there must be doing some research

> > as the gluten free foods are getting tastier and increasing in

> numbers.  Starting a fast has been done for as long as there has been

> mankind.  There are many references to fasting in the scriptures.

> Starting back on foods that are simple and one at a time is what we do

> with babies once they start weaning.  Looking for foods that cause

> trouble that way is easy and not confusing.  Once you can find and

> eliminate the foods that cause you trouble, I'm sure you will feel

> better, but to kill the toxic bacteria will take going back on the

> antibiotic.  There is no reason why we can't eliminate foods that are

> harmful and continue taking the antibiotic.  After all, we still must

> eat to remain alive.  Thank you for the opportunity to clarify. Best

> to all of you who are fasting and or changing diets. And thank you to

> the moderators of this site for giving us all the opportunities to

> learn from each other.  Our best, Dolores & Mike

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