Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 At 07:36 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote: Has anyone done high doses of Vitamin C or Magnesium to clear out for Colonoscopy? I considered it, but given that the Vitamin C is an acid, I was concerned that deliberately taking amounts beyond bowel tolerance would result in a very sore rectum. I don't react to magnesium that way. My GI does not use Fleet preps anymore (that caused me to go to the ER) He's probably wise. They've been linked with kidney issues. He gave me Miralax or MoviPrep- my choice. And he gave me Zolfram if I experience bad nausea. Don't forget to have electrolyte liquids on hand, plenty of SCD broths to drink, and food prepared for several days afterwards in case you feel ill afterwards. Has anyone experienced the drug Propofol as the anesthesia? I have had a heard time with anesthesia in the past. I've had a serious time with anesthesia, as you know. I have not had propofol, but a friend of mine with numerous health issues has. She said one minute she was lying there waiting, and the next minute they were telling her she could get up and leave. When's your procedure scheduled? — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi Marilyn, > >He gave me Miralax or MoviPrep- my choice. And > >he gave me Zolfram if I experience bad nausea. > > Don't forget to have electrolyte liquids on hand, > plenty of SCD broths to drink, and food prepared > for several days afterwards in case you feel ill afterwards. > What kind of broths and juices can I drink the couple of days before the procedure? I want to eat lite. > >Has anyone experienced the drug Propofol as the > >anesthesia? I have had a heard time with anesthesia in the past. > > I've had a serious time with anesthesia, as you > know. I have not had propofol, but a friend of > mine with numerous health issues has. She said > one minute she was lying there waiting, and the > next minute they were telling her she could get up and leave. That's good to know. > When's your procedure scheduled? April 2nd as MY GI doesn't do procedures anymore so the younger GI does so scheduling wise they both need to be present so it takes time finding a good appointment time- they wanted me to do it in 2 weeks in the afternoon but the secretary asked me " are you the kind of patient that can skip both breakfast and lunch? and I was like " NO! " - something like this could totally set me back. So I have to wait to April. Which is fine. Need to schedule the small bowel series during this waiting time. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Thanks for the info Jena, > Jodi, small bowell studies can be done 2 different ways, you can drink > barium and ave multiple xrays over a period of hours until the barium > reaches the caecal valve, or you can have it done under ct. I am allergic to CT contrast so CT's aren't very helpful in that case. I have has many. I forget the new generation CT that's much better with the GI tract- but my doc said I am not a good candidate for it due to allergy. He was actually unhappy with my latest CT that I had done in Israel. > currently trialing the use of full cream milk on patients which is scd > illegal but 2 litres of metamucil mix will send you to the toilet for > possibly a couple of days, and barium may constipate you and obscure > pathology at your colonoscopy if you are not really cleared. You realy need > to talk to your Dr. about which method you should use and be aware that they > will all have side effects for your scd diet. Interesting. So they mic full cream or full fat milk with metamucil? How does this help with the images? Or is this something they use for the colonoscopy? Do you think 2 weeks between small bowel series and colonoscopy is enough time so the barium chalk doesn't interfere with the biopsies/pathology? Thanks, Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I had a small bowel series in the hospital last summer that was horrible. Instead of the usual barium drink, they gave me some clear oily liquid. They also suggested I should wear a diaper (I declined), because it apparently causes a massive laxative effect. The drink tasted absolutely horrid, and made me feel sicker than any solution I've ever had to drink. I was nauseous and vomiting, and spent the rest of the day completely miserable. I wonder if this was VoLumen? Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > > Jodi, small bowell studies can be done 2 different ways, you can drink > barium and ave multiple xrays over a period of hours until the barium > reaches the caecal valve, or you can have it done under ct. > > With ct, the most accepted way in Australia is for them to give you 2 litres > of metamucil mixed with water, and for you to drink it over 1 hour, the have > a ct. In america they have a product called VoLumen which provides a better > negative contrast but it has not been approved of here in Australia. I am > currently trialing the use of full cream milk on patients which is scd > illegal but 2 litres of metamucil mix will send you to the toilet for > possibly a couple of days, and barium may constipate you and obscure > pathology at your colonoscopy if you are not really cleared. You realy need > to talk to your Dr. about which method you should use and be aware that they > will all have side effects for your scd diet. > > jena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 don't know if you have time to try this out first but lil mimi on pecanbread found somthing to finally help her clear out - you could ask her or i can look thru my emails eileen > > > > Jodi, small bowell studies can be done 2 different ways, you can drink > > barium and ave multiple xrays over a period of hours until the barium > > reaches the caecal valve, or you can have it done under ct. > > > > With ct, the most accepted way in Australia is for them to give you 2 litres > > of metamucil mixed with water, and for you to drink it over 1 hour, the have > > a ct. In america they have a product called VoLumen which provides a better > > negative contrast but it has not been approved of here in Australia. I am > > currently trialing the use of full cream milk on patients which is scd > > illegal but 2 litres of metamucil mix will send you to the toilet for > > possibly a couple of days, and barium may constipate you and obscure > > pathology at your colonoscopy if you are not really cleared. You realy need > > to talk to your Dr. about which method you should use and be aware that they > > will all have side effects for your scd diet. > > > > jena > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I drank a lot of broth before my colonoscopy. Just hold it up to the light and if you can see through it okay it should be fine. Good luck!I am brain dead today just thinking about drinking that awful stuff tomorrow. It is really a mental thing with me and drinking that stuff. Is chicken broth considered clear liquid? My paper says gatorade or a flavored water but I want something warm. Thanks Katy ____________________________________________________________ Click now for accounting software that's a huge plus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 At 11:29 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote: I am brain dead today just thinking about drinking that awful stuff tomorrow. It is really a mental thing with me and drinking that stuff. Is chicken broth considered clear liquid? My paper says gatorade or a flavored water but I want something warm. Katy, As long as you strain the chicken broth so that it doesn't have any solids in it, it should be fine. (I had turkey broth for two days -- I'd've died if I tried to exist on fruit juice.) Warm is good -- warm is VERY good when you are doing all this. You have my profound sympathy on this... I think the clean-out is the most traumatic for me. I've spent 33 years with gut issues, and by dint of very hard work, I've regain control of my gut in the last 8 years, thanks to SCD. Now, twice in the last year, I've had to swallow four liters of horrid-tasting liquid designed to induce violent diarrhea. The whole psychology of the situation is bad for us SCDers. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Does the industry understand how violent this is for IBD'ers and the seriously ill? I wish they would grasp this concept and invent something new- I mean plenty people would pay extra money out of pocket to not go through such torture. Jodi > You have my profound sympathy on this... I think > the clean-out is the most traumatic for me. I've > spent 33 years with gut issues, and by dint of > very hard work, I've regain control of my gut in > the last 8 years, thanks to SCD. Now, twice in > the last year, I've had to swallow four liters of > horrid-tasting liquid designed to induce violent diarrhea. > > The whole psychology of the situation is bad for us SCDers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Marilyn.. > In the case of the gastroenterologist whom I had, > he's apparently very well liked by many people. > For me, I told him of my special needs, and the > information went in one ear and out the other, > and he issued cookie-cutter instructions. GI's are an absolutely miserable breed so are Ortho docs. May the starts bless me so I never have to see any of them! > In contrast, my oncologist took everything like > that into consideration, once I made her aware of > the complications I was facing. She made sure I > had medications to handle the pain, and helped me > arrange everything with the hospital so that things went very smoothly. > > It can be a luck of the draw. Do you think it is because Oncologists deal with so many terminal patients that they/yours have compassion or are you saying it was complete luck in comparison to your experience with the GI? > >I wish they would grasp this concept and invent > >something new- I mean plenty people would pay > >extra money out of pocket to not go through such torture. > > No arguments there. I just don't know what the > procedure might be. I understand the WHY of what > they do. It doesn't mean I have to like it. What > I wish it were possible to do is to get the > medical profession to understand that we are all > individuals and require individual treatments. Not cookie cutters. So true. Is there profit in this approach? <vbg> > I mean, here you are, shaking in your shoes, and > having put off a necessary test, not because you > don't know you need it, but because it isn't > tailored to your physical and psychological needs. > > Here I am, going through the whole cancer > rigamarole -- something I could have been spared > if I had had regular examinations. But because of > an experience with a gynecologist which was as > bad for me as yours with the colonoscopy when you > were 17, I put off having exams... and so the > cell-changes weren't caught until they became > cancerous. Now -- in either case, the resulting > surgery would have been the same... but it sure > as hades would have less terrifying for me with the Big C looming in there. Hmm.. You're totally right. I truly have nothing to say. The fact that we experience this crazy idea of the big C due to past trauma.. I feel so friggen irresponsible. You know my last GI told me I shouldn't get routine scopes due to high likely hood of intestinal tearing? I mean this is no excuse as I was told by specialists it is not the case. Still I want to scream some days. It would sure as heck release my diaphram LOL. Isn't there something called " primal scream therapy " ? HA. > A gentleman from the CPAP forum (who passed away > about two months after I got my diagnosis -- I > wish I had had time to get to know him better -- > used to sign his posts with " Someday, science > will catch up to what I'm saying. " > > Well, someday, the medical profession will catch > up to what Dr. Hass and Elaine Gottschall were saying, too. AMEN to that! You are so smart Marilyn and always have such wise thoughts to share. Thank you.. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 There is an alternative to drinking that terrible liquid before your colonoscopy. It is called Osmo-Prep and you have to get a prescription from your doctor for it. You just have to take these tablets...you take a lot...I think about 25 or so, but you can drink any clear liquid with them...I just drank water. I took these when I had a colonoscopy last summer and it was a breeze. And they worked just as well as the awful drink! At first my doctor didn't want to prescribe them saying the drink gets better results, but I insisted. It is probably too late for you to use Osmo-Prep this time, but keep it in mind for the future! Good luck!JanetTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:29:58 AMSubject: colonoscopy prep I am brain dead today just thinking about drinking that awful stuff tomorrow. It is really a mental thing with me and drinking that stuff. Is chicken broth considered clear liquid? My paper says gatorade or a flavored water but I want something warm. Thanks Katy ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Click now for accounting software that's a huge plus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 At 01:12 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: There is an alternative to drinking that terrible liquid before your colonoscopy. It is called Osmo-Prep and you have to get a prescription from your doctor for it. Janet, I asked my gastroenterologist about Osmo-Prep, and he said that his group had determined that the pills were inadequate for preparation, and that many times, people had to re-do the preparation in order to get a clean procedure. In any case, it's not the liquid itself that is terrible as far as I am concerned. It's the notion of swallowing ANYTHING to induce diarrhea, when I have fought, for so many years, to gain control of my guts. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 > At 01:12 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: >> There is an alternative to drinking that terrible liquid before >> your colonoscopy. It is called Osmo-Prep and you have to get a >> prescription from your doctor for it. > > Janet, > > I asked my gastroenterologist about Osmo-Prep, and he said that his > group had determined that the pills were inadequate for preparation, > and that many times, people had to re-do the preparation in order to > get a clean procedure. That's not my experience at all. And I've used them a few times now. > In any case, it's not the liquid itself that is terrible as far as I > am concerned. > > It's the notion of swallowing ANYTHING to induce diarrhea, when I > have fought, for so many years, to gain control of my guts. Man, experientially there is a ***huge*** difference. One is nausea inducing, the other is really easy. It makes it into an entirely different experience. It's just not that hard when all you have to do is swallow a bunch of pills. Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 How can you guarantee that your body is replenished with the necessary electrolytes if you don't drink the solution? I assume that the Osmo-Prep is nothing more than a laxative and doesn't contain any nutrients/electrolytes. I have a colonoscopy scheduled for Wed, so I am interested in this alternative, too.Thanks,Jill>Posted by: "Mara Schiffren" alcibiades@... alcibiades500>Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:07 am (PDT)>>> At 01:12 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote:>>> There is an alternative to drinking that terrible liquid before >>> your colonoscopy. It is called Osmo-Prep and you have to get a >>> prescription from your doctor for it.>>>> Janet,>>>> I asked my gastroenterologist about Osmo-Prep, and he said that his >> group had determined that the pills were inadequate for preparation, >> and that many times, people had to re-do the preparation in order to >> get a clean procedure.>>That's not my experience at all. And I've used them a few times now.>> In any case, it's not the liquid itself that is terrible as far as I >> am concerned.>>>> It's the notion of swallowing ANYTHING to induce diarrhea, when I >> have fought, for so many years, to gain control of my guts.>Man, experientially there is a ***huge*** difference.>One is nausea inducing, the other is really easy. It makes it into an >entirely different experience.>It's just not that hard when all you have to do is swallow a bunch of >pills.>Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Mara, I am so annoyed. I just called the GI's office and was told once again that -some- people have to redo the procedure and prep when they use OsmoPrep as they don't clean out properly. They said this does not happen with Dulcolax/Miralax prep and that is why it is preferred. SIGH. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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