Re: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

[Guest guest]

At 10:09 PM 3/10/2009, you wrote:

So, I am really rethinking my

chocolate temptations and finding another vice besides chocolate.

,

I was going to say thanks for your other post, but I got sidetracked this

morning by a phone call from my mom, who was panicked because my father

left her alone without telling her. Dad had told her, and she didn't

remember. And the only doors I had keys to were blocked. Zoo

city.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

That's a tough one. Because I can't imagine finding something I like more. Did anyone answer my question about cocoa butter. By the way, I just saw Marilyn's dachshund line. I met someone who breeds them when I was visiting a friend. Very sweet. .To: BTVC-SCD Sent:

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:13:21 PMSubject: Re: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

At 10:09 PM 3/10/2009, you wrote:

So, I am really rethinking my

chocolate temptations and finding another vice besides chocolate.

,

I was going to say thanks for your other post, but I got sidetracked this

morning by a phone call from my mom, who was panicked because my father

left her alone without telling her. Dad had told her, and she didn't

remember. And the only doors I had keys to were blocked. Zoo

city.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

That's a tough one. Because I can't imagine finding something I like more. Did anyone answer my question about cocoa butter. Remember, google and wikipedia are your friends, just likethey're our friends. but meanwhile it's the fatin the cocoa beanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_butterYou can buy here:http://shop.chocolatealchemy.com/collections/raw-ingredients

[Guest guest]

At 09:26 AM 3/11/2009, you wrote:

That's a tough one. Because I

can't imagine finding something I like more. Did anyone answer my

question about cocoa butter. By the way, I just saw Marilyn's dachshund

line. I met someone who breeds them when I was visiting a friend. Very

sweet. .

,

Yeah, dachshunds are sweet. And stubborn. Too smart for our good. And

stubborn. Bright, silly, funny. Stubborn. Affectionate. Oh, and did I

mention that they're stubborn?

About the cocoa butter: chocolate and cocoa beans are not legal, nor is

cocoa powder.

However, grains are also not legal on SCD, but grain oils (like corn oil)

are. (Soy is not legal, and there's some debate about soy oil, with some

people saying it is not legal, and others saying it is. Since I have a

severe allergy to soy, I avoid it, although I do tolerate soy lecithin

and Vitamin E derived from soy.)

Cocoa butter, being the fat, doesn't have either the starches or the

proteins that can be an issue for us SCDers, but you do have to be

careful to find a really pure brand. I believe Mara found a good brand,

and has been enjoying it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for this, . And many thanks to Marilyn and

several others for their posts re: cocoa in answer to my annoying questions.

Notice, though, that before fermentation the cocoa beans and

pulp are 12% sucrose and 1-1 ½ % pectin. After fermentation, 0% on both

accounts. Two of the good bacterias that are in yogurt are also present. When

the dried beans are finally roasted at 121 C, as they must be to produce

chocolate, most of the remaining organisms (except possibility some species of bacillus)

are killed in the heat.

So that kind of brings us back to where we started…. But I

won’t press the point. I’ve learned some interesting things in this

discussion.

Who knew that chocolate producing has a lot in common with wine

making and cheese making? Cant’ be accidental. The best things in life

are fermented. ;-)

Incidentally, I’m not a chocoholic. I don’t crave

chocolate, as some of you assumed. I simply like it very much, love the

taste, texture and effect of high quality dark, fairly bitter chocolate; and nibbled

with dry red wine, even more so. I’ve never been able to, nor wanted to,

consume large amounts at a time, or day after day. Probably because I’m

not actually a sugar person. I have always very easily O-Ded on sugar. (Unlike

my husband!)

I recognize that for reasons still somewhat mysterious to me, that

even cocoa alone causes gastric problems for many people. I’m not sure

whether or not I’m one of them. I won’t attempt to find out until I’m

much further into the diet -- along  with taking LDN, which I just started last

night.  (I’m immensely grateful that my gastroenterologist was willing to

prescribe it, even though he first heard about it from me! Thank you, Lord.)

n

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of michellegallik

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:10 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

Hi. I guess my earlier post didn't go thru, but

I had something interesting to share regarding chocolate. My husband is a

chocolatier and so I am well versed on the various types. This has been

interesting for me on SCD - while I've been fantatically faithful for alittle

over 2 years to SCD, I will admit to eating a truffle now and then when they

are out when i am there. Every time I do, I have symptoms all over again and it

triggers off the cravings - I have use alittle oil of oregano for a couple of

days and back to normal.

I am always amazed how a couple of truffles can do this - it seems very odd.

Then I started talking to people and found a couple of articles, here's one :

http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/case/chocolate.html

The whole coco process involves it's own microbiology as you can see from this

article. I have/had a type of Candida (Krusei) that is hard to kill and

supposedly you can't get it from chocolate, but I don't believe it since it's

in the chocolate fermentation process.

So, I am really rethinking my chocolate temptations and finding another vice

besides chocolate.

CD - 3 years

SCD- little over 2 years

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[Guest guest]

mara you are too funny - i think most of us - definately me- ask here instead of

looking up as we trust the people here who live like us and " get it " - google

may explain but not in scd terms - but i know we should look stuff up more :-)

eileen

haven't been following this but would love that coffee with cocoa butter i read

somewhere - someday!!! and now you have me curious - do we just buy it or the

other stuff they sell too to make " chocolate " ???

also i am allergic to white chocolate - will this give me problems????

thanks again

eileen

>

> > That's a tough one. Because I can't imagine finding something I like

> > more. Did anyone answer my question about cocoa butter.

>

> Remember, google and wikipedia are your friends, just like

> they're our friends.

>

> but meanwhile it's the fat

> in the cocoa bean

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_butter

>

> You can buy here:

>

> http://shop.chocolatealchemy.com/collections/raw-ingredients

>

[Guest guest]

Hear, hear! I agree with you n. Sounds to me like cocoa is a fermented product that has very few organisms left after roasting. As far as the issue of theobromine--it is chemically related to caffeine. It is a metabolic byproduct of caffeine, and therefore present in your body after you drink tea or coffee. It is used medically as a vasodilator and has some new future use to fight cancer. I enjoyed reading about it in 's post and I also will approach it with caution if I ever decide to try it.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD From: rxbach@...Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:12:21 -0400Subject: RE: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

Thanks a lot for this, . And many thanks to Marilyn and several others for their posts re: cocoa in answer to my annoying questions.

Notice, though, that before fermentation the cocoa beans and pulp are 12% sucrose and 1-1 ½ % pectin. After fermentation, 0% on both accounts. Two of the good bacterias that are in yogurt are also present. When the dried beans are finally roasted at 121 C, as they must be to produce chocolate, most of the remaining organisms (except possibility some species of bacillus) are killed in the heat.

So that kind of brings us back to where we started…. But I won’t press the point. I’ve learned some interesting things in this discussion.

Who knew that chocolate producing has a lot in common with wine making and cheese making? Cant’ be accidental. The best things in life are fermented. ;-)

Incidentally, I’m not a chocoholic. I don’t crave chocolate, as some of you assumed. I simply like it very much, love the taste, texture and effect of high quality dark, fairly bitter chocolate; and nibbled with dry red wine, even more so. I’ve never been able to, nor wanted to, consume large amounts at a time, or day after day. Probably because I’m not actually a sugar person. I have always very easily O-Ded on sugar. (Unlike my husband!)

I recognize that for reasons still somewhat mysterious to me, that even cocoa alone causes gastric problems for many people. I’m not sure whether or not I’m one of them. I won’t attempt to find out until I’m much further into the diet -- along with taking LDN, which I just started last night. (I’m immensely grateful that my gastroenterologist was willing to prescribe it, even though he first heard about it from me! Thank you, Lord.)

n

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of michellegallikSent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:10 PMTo: BTVC-SCD Subject: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

Hi. I guess my earlier post didn't go thru, but I had something interesting to share regarding chocolate. My husband is a chocolatier and so I am well versed on the various types. This has been interesting for me on SCD - while I've been fantatically faithful for alittle over 2 years to SCD, I will admit to eating a truffle now and then when they are out when i am there. Every time I do, I have symptoms all over again and it triggers off the cravings - I have use alittle oil of oregano for a couple of days and back to normal. I am always amazed how a couple of truffles can do this - it seems very odd. Then I started talking to people and found a couple of articles, here's one :http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/case/chocolate.htmlThe whole coco process involves it's own microbiology as you can see from this article. I have/had a type of Candida (Krusei) that is hard to kill and supposedly you can't get it from chocolate, but I don't believe it since it's in the chocolate fermentation process. So, I am really rethinking my chocolate temptations and finding another vice besides chocolate. CD - 3 yearsSCD- little over 2 years

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[Guest guest]

Why are so many of the cute little dogs so darn stubborn. I found out after many years of living with a terrier and bunny that I have allergies to both. Had surgery for polps in my nose. So I had to leave my beloved doggy with my soon to be x and my bun died a few months ago (she was pretty old) but the timing was terrible. Allergies are things that you really have to find out about. I certainly didn't realize I was allergic to them. Just knew I was allergic to dust mites. But of course living with furry creatures increases the dust and debre. Now it's just me and the cavy. But she's a good roommate. I think I will have to slowly cut out the chocolate. By the way, I don't eat huge amounts and it's usually dark. I had an interesting experience the other day. I went to a local candy

store to buy a hostess gift. I got a little of my favorite dark chocolate toffee pieces. Darned if I didn't notice pain and gas for the rest of the night. It had to be those candies. Made it a little hard to socialize. Funny how I have learned to hide the pain in so many social situations. If people only knew. But unless I'm in big trouble I try to see people. It helps me feel a little less isolated and that's important because this thing is certainly not a very social friendly problem. Years ago I also suffered from panic attacks. So I really had a hard time building my confidence after that. I did find a wonderful doctor who taught me how to meditate in such a way that I actually could calm my brain waves. After 6 months I was cured. No meds. I'm in the middle of a divorce after 27 years of marriage. I have used this method several times to help myself deal with the stress. But I'm still dealing with IBS and stress makes it worse. I sometimes wonder

if this will prevent me from meeting anyone special ever again. It's hard to imagine finding someone wants to be with a person who can only eat special foods and has to beg off of social situations if she is in pain. My x certainly used some of that as a reason for leaving me. But he was an idiot. OOps. sorry about that. .To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:25:41 AMSubject: Re: Why you shouldn't eat chocolate

At 09:26 AM 3/11/2009, you wrote:

That's a tough one. Because I

can't imagine finding something I like more. Did anyone answer my

question about cocoa butter. By the way, I just saw Marilyn's dachshund

line. I met someone who breeds them when I was visiting a friend. Very

sweet. .

,

Yeah, dachshunds are sweet. And stubborn. Too smart for our good. And

stubborn. Bright, silly, funny. Stubborn. Affectionate. Oh, and did I

mention that they're stubborn?

About the cocoa butter: chocolate and cocoa beans are not legal, nor is

cocoa powder.

However, grains are also not legal on SCD, but grain oils (like corn oil)

are. (Soy is not legal, and there's some debate about soy oil, with some

people saying it is not legal, and others saying it is. Since I have a

severe allergy to soy, I avoid it, although I do tolerate soy lecithin

and Vitamin E derived from soy.)

Cocoa butter, being the fat, doesn't have either the starches or the

proteins that can be an issue for us SCDers, but you do have to be

careful to find a really pure brand. I believe Mara found a good brand,

and has been enjoying it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I had an interesting experience the other day. I went to a local candy store to buy a hostess gift. I got a little of my favorite dark chocolate toffee pieces. Darned if I didn't notice pain and gas for the rest of the night. It had to be those candies. That's what helps to cut things out. Once you start putting things together withsymptoms, it's much more motivating to cut them out and feel better. Mara

[Guest guest]

I think I will have to

slowly cut out the chocolate. By the way, I don't eat huge amounts and

it's usually dark. I had an interesting experience the other day. I went

to a local candy store to buy a hostess gift. I got a little of my

favorite dark chocolate toffee pieces. Darned if I didn't notice pain and

gas for the rest of the night. It had to be those candies. Made it a

little hard to socialize. Funny how I have learned to hide the pain in so

many social situations. If people only knew.

This is the kind of thing which makes you aware of just how sensible this

diet is.

My experiments were in the early days, when I was still fighting giving

up the things I thought I loved too well to give up.

I have now learned that there is no food so delicious that it is worth

the results. So I stick with it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

>

> haven't been following this but would love that coffee with cocoa

> butter i read somewhere - someday!!! and now you have me curious -

> do we just buy it or the other stuff they sell too to make

> " chocolate " ???

> also i am allergic to white chocolate - will this give me problems????

If you react to white chocolate, it may - though that could also be

the milk product in it or the sugar causing you to react.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know it's not chocolate. Still, I have been enjoying yummy dates

when I want a deep sweet hit.

Someone who used to live hereabout used to make a fabulous rich

chocolatey cake sans chocolate. It was made w figs. I never did get

the recipe. Maybe someone knows what was in it and we can figure

out an SCD version--if it even had grain in it atall. Was mighty

rich and yum.

Anyway, I do know dates are not chocolate, still, we have been

getting really fine fat ones, not the pitted [probably not SCD] ones,

and I find them very satisfying.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know it's not chocolate. Still, I have been enjoying yummy dates

when I want a deep sweet hit.

Someone who used to live hereabout used to make a fabulous rich

chocolatey cake sans chocolate. It was made w figs. I never did get

the recipe. Maybe someone knows what was in it and we can figure

out an SCD version--if it even had grain in it atall. Was mighty

rich and yum.

Anyway, I do know dates are not chocolate, still, we have been

getting really fine fat ones, not the pitted [probably not SCD] ones,

and I find them very satisfying.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know it's not chocolate. Still, I have been enjoying yummy dates

when I want a deep sweet hit.

Someone who used to live hereabout used to make a fabulous rich

chocolatey cake sans chocolate. It was made w figs. I never did get

the recipe. Maybe someone knows what was in it and we can figure

out an SCD version--if it even had grain in it atall. Was mighty

rich and yum.

Anyway, I do know dates are not chocolate, still, we have been

getting really fine fat ones, not the pitted [probably not SCD] ones,

and I find them very satisfying.

[Guest guest]

For those who like dates, try Kendall Conrads Macadamia Nut/Date bread. It's so

sweet, dense and luscious. Especially w/cream cheese.

CD - 3 years

SCD - 2years

p.s. no worries Marilyn. Off to walk the poodles now......another too smart

pooch.

In BTVC-SCD , Ruth Hirsch wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I know it's not chocolate. Still, I have been enjoying yummy dates

> when I want a deep sweet hit.

>

> Someone who used to live hereabout used to make a fabulous rich

> chocolatey cake sans chocolate. It was made w figs. I never did get

> the recipe. Maybe someone knows what was in it and we can figure

> out an SCD version--if it even had grain in it atall. Was mighty

> rich and yum.

>

> Anyway, I do know dates are not chocolate, still, we have been

> getting really fine fat ones, not the pitted [probably not SCD] ones,

> and I find them very satisfying.

>