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I have irritable bowel syndrome and while not totally relieved at this point,

I can say it is much better. I hope it will eventually no longer be a

problem.

in AL

MGB 8/2/99

57 lb. gone so far!

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Re: Questions

About mailing to Dr. rutledge: DO NOT! Send everything priority mail or he

won't get it. Debbie tells us this in clinic and I know from experience. My

mother sent the family letter 2 times to his PO Box and he didn't get either

one. I know it's expensive but it's the only way if you want the stuff to get

there.

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About mailing to Dr. rutledge: DO NOT! Send everything priority mail or he

won't get it. Debbie tells us this in clinic and I know from experience. My

mother sent the family letter 2 times to his PO Box and he didn't get either

one. I know it's expensive but it's the only way if you want the stuff to get

there.

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About mailing to Dr. rutledge: DO NOT! Send everything priority mail or he

won't get it. Debbie tells us this in clinic and I know from experience. My

mother sent the family letter 2 times to his PO Box and he didn't get either

one. I know it's expensive but it's the only way if you want the stuff to get

there.

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<< how long does it take to go through caffeine withdrawals?>>

Hi! I began about four weeks prior to surgery. Just kept drinking less and

less regular coffee. No diet cola either...it has caffeine also.

can you take fiber pills instead of the metamucil?>>

Dr. R has us take Citrucel (not metamucil) and I think that it tastes better.

I put a teaspoon of Citrucel into about two ounces of water and drink it

down quickly. The fiber pills don't have the same makeup as the

Citrucel...better stick with what Dr. R suggests or get a special

dispensation from him to make a change.

the one source vitamins..do you get regular or with

minerals?? >>

Get the ones with minerals also. They're at WalMart and they're not very

expensive. You really need to keep your minerals up after surgery. It

wouldn't hurt to start them now at double and triple doses...gets your system

ready to recover after surgery.

Good thoughts your way! Dee in MI.

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Caffeine: Before my surgery, I spent a couple of weeks mixing decaf with my

regular coffee, in increasing amounts each day. By the time of surgery I

was down to a 25% regular/75% decaf mix, and I didn't have any caffeine

withdrawal. Since surgery, I've snuck in a couple of cups of regular here

and there, but still don't drink coffee like I used to.

Fiber pills: Only Dr. R. can say for sure, but I can tell you that I've

noticed that the pills and Citrucel are two chemically different kinds of

fiber. Since part of the point is to coat your pouch while it's healing, it

may or may not work. Try emailing the doc directly.

Vitamins: Get the ones WITH minerals, including iron.

Good luck with your surgery,

Steve

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Caffeine: Before my surgery, I spent a couple of weeks mixing decaf with my

regular coffee, in increasing amounts each day. By the time of surgery I

was down to a 25% regular/75% decaf mix, and I didn't have any caffeine

withdrawal. Since surgery, I've snuck in a couple of cups of regular here

and there, but still don't drink coffee like I used to.

Fiber pills: Only Dr. R. can say for sure, but I can tell you that I've

noticed that the pills and Citrucel are two chemically different kinds of

fiber. Since part of the point is to coat your pouch while it's healing, it

may or may not work. Try emailing the doc directly.

Vitamins: Get the ones WITH minerals, including iron.

Good luck with your surgery,

Steve

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In a message dated 1/31/01 6:24:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sunflower6668@... writes:

<< , I freeze all day and sweat all night. >>

Dear ,

This happens to me all the time. I'm not on TPN and I don't know of

any other reason it would happen. It really used to worry me because night

sweats are usually associated with big time diseases but I have had so many

tests done and gone through so much that didn't show anything I stopped

worrying about it. I just wish I knew how to stop the night sweats. I am also

SO tired of being cold all the time. I think in my case it is because I have

lost so much weight. My normal garb around the house is a turtle neck, sweat

shirt and sweater and I could still use another layer. It is a big joke

around our house!

Are you tolerating food any better? I wish that things would turn

around for you...Take care of yourself!

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Dear ,

I'll never be sorry I asked!!! I guess if you have to look at the

bright side, at least someone is looking into what's going on with you. It

seems to me that if you have a problem with your duct then it would make

sense that your liver enzymes are elevated. Of course, having a liver profile

done will really clear things up. Anyway, I hope they can HELP you! You are

right not to get your hopes up. If I've learned one thing through all of

this, it is definitely not to get your hopes up.

I'm glad you get a break from the IV's for 12 hours. I never really

stopped to think how inconvenient that would be to be hooked up 24/7. I guess

I just pictured it running at night to begin with.

I am doing OK. I decided to start taking my Viokase again. I just

started today so we will see. I had stopped taking it back in April when I

was having the nonstop nausea and could barely eat much less take 8 pills

with every meal. I just want to see if it has any effect on the pain. My

problem will be when I run out of them. I don't know if my regular MD will

order them or not. I guess I will cross that bridge when I get there.

Take care of yourself and let me know how things go...

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Hi ,

Thanks for the reply. It helps to know I am not alone in this. I am

sick of being so darn cold. And then waking up all night soaking

wet. Yeah, I wear a dozen layers too.....................ah well.

So, how ARE you? Last I heard better but not good. Any change? I

hope so. You are in my prayers dear.

No change here. Well, some. But not the food one. My liver enzymes

are up. Up high enough they want me to go back to U of M to do a

liver profile. And I have to do a cortisol panel as well....then, on

Monday, I go to an endocrinologist there. Hope they can help, but

watching others here makes me leery of getting too hopeful.

I have been hurting a lot the past few days,in fact, if I didn't know

better, I would think I had a stent in there. That is exactly what

the pain feels like. And the nausea is way worse. I had to take

zofran just to get some tea in me. You are probably way ahead of

me.............they wonder if there is a blockage in

there............aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh! Guess we

will wait and see.

The GOOD NEWS of the day is, they finally figured out that they can

combine my tpn with the saline!!!! Yeah!!!!! I get to be off my

leash for twelve hours a day. The downside being that I will be in

the bathroom a lot more all night long, but hey, I will just be happy

to not have to drag this pack around all day-I mean, it is like

having a kid on my back all day long!

So there you have it. Good news to go along with the bad. We'll see

what comes of it all. Thanks for asking. Bet you wish you never

had :-}

Take care of you girl, and let me know how you are!

Be well,

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I go through the sweating thing all the time the doctor said it is part of

the pancreatis thing cuz it messes up you hormones, I hate it but it is

always happening to me too... good luck...

Hugs and kisses

your pancreatis pal from Michigan

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Hi ,

I'm just about 6 months out. I eat about 600 to 750 calories a day.

Some post-ops seem to think that I'm silly to keep track of calories -

but, since I keep track of what I eat in FitDay, the calorie count is

right there with the protein count. I eat a minimum of 60 grams of

protein a day and try to have it be quite a bit more.

I eat very, very few refined carbs. Protein is my priority - generally

meat, but also some beans, cheese and so on - and, while Kaiser Richmond

frowns on them, I do drink a protein shake each morning (30 grams of

protein) and have half a bottle of Isopure (20 grams of protein) some

days. After the protein, I do have some veggies and/or fruit. On the

occasional day, I will even have a sweet treat - sweet, but sugar-free.

Judy's Sugar-free Chocolate Caramels or Judy's Sugar-free Nut Brittle

are my favorites. I continue to avoid sugar as though it was poison. I

don't know if I dump with sugar - I'm afraid to find out. I'm not

afraid of dumping, I am afraid that I might not and I want sugar to make

me sick.

Since you are asking about calories and all, are you concerned about

your weight loss? How are you doing in general?

All the best,

Kay

open RNY 12/1/03

gweema51 wrote:

> I everyone. My name is and I had my surgery on Oct. 14, 2003

> with Pacific Bariatrics. I would like to know what other people

> eat/ate at 7 months out? How many calories are/did you eat? I'm

> concerned that I'm taking in too many calories and not getting enough

> protein. Thank you to everyone that responds.

> In friendship,

> W.

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Hi Kay,

Yes I sent you a personal email. I will try to re-send it.

To anserw your question(great question BTW):

Im doing great! My weight loss has been very very slow but im ok

with that.I did not lose anything for over 2 month then pow I

dropped like 4 pounds. Im about 196/199 I go up and down a few pound

and always have. Im of with that to.

The rest of my life is so wonderful! The wedding is coming really

fast,we are very excited about it. Not a day go's by that a friend

our family members is not doing soming special for us. We are truly

blessed to be loved by so many people.

We have been looking at houses. The house we have now is a little to

small.I have taken over the guest room as my craft/scrapbooking book

lol. Anyway. I am a very happy women thses days and no I owe it ALL

to god!

Shell

>

> > I everyone. My name is and I had my surgery on Oct. 14,

2003

> > with Pacific Bariatrics. I would like to know what other people

> > eat/ate at 7 months out? How many calories are/did you eat? I'm

> > concerned that I'm taking in too many calories and not getting

enough

> > protein. Thank you to everyone that responds.

> > In friendship,

> > W.

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Hi Kay,

Thanks for answering back so quickly. My weight loss has slowed

dramaticly. I only weigh once a week at my TOPS meeting. Four weeks

ago I had a 1/2 pound gain, stayed the same the next week, lost 2

pounds the next week and stayed the same the last week. I weigh in

again tonight. It helps to know what other people are doing. I know

without a doubt that I've been eating over a thousand calories a

day. So starting now I'm going to keep track of what/how much I eat

and the calories. I don't want to waste this tool I've been given.

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Hi ,

Keeping track of what and how much I eat has really helped keep me on track.

I highly recommend using FitDay or some similar program. FitDay.com can

be used on-line for free, but I bought it ($20) - that way I don't have to

be on-line and I think that the purchased version has a few more features.

How are you doing on your protein intake?

Also, what are you doing for exercise? I seem to do much better with food

when I exercise. When I don't exercise, I actually want to eat more. Seems

backward, but that is how it works for me.

I look forward to hearing how things are going with you as you progress.

All the best,

Kay

open RNY 12/1/03

gweema51 wrote:

Hi Kay,

Thanks for answering back so quickly. My weight loss has slowed

dramaticly. I only weigh once a week at my TOPS meeting. Four weeks

ago I had a 1/2 pound gain, stayed the same the next week, lost 2

pounds the next week and stayed the same the last week. I weigh in

again tonight. It helps to know what other people are doing. I know

without a doubt that I've been eating over a thousand calories a

day. So starting now I'm going to keep track of what/how much I eat

and the calories. I don't want to waste this tool I've been given.

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Hi :

I eat four meals a day. Three " traditional " meals almost all protein

(4-6 oz). I have a snack meal each day at 5 PM so that I'm not a

hungry dragon by the time I get home from work.

My snack meal is usually a protein drink.

Overall, I eat about 95 - 97% protein. But sometimes, if I've got

the room, I'll have a small piece (spoonful) of veggies or fruit.

I'm also totally addicted to sugar free popsicles. I love them.

Hope that helps, but I'm not sure how many calories that is.

Gemello

> I everyone. My name is and I had my surgery on Oct. 14, 2003

> with Pacific Bariatrics. I would like to know what other people

> eat/ate at 7 months out? How many calories are/did you eat? I'm

> concerned that I'm taking in too many calories and not getting

enough

> protein. Thank you to everyone that responds.

> In friendship,

> W.

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Hi . . .

My understanding is that the folks at Richmond are convinced that drinking

protein shakes will inhibit weight loss or possibly even contribute to regaining

weight because of something called the "soft calorie syndrome." I'll confess

that I don't entirely understand this and would greatly appreciate it if

someone else can explain it.

I think that it has something to do with the liquid calories not providing

the same sense of satiety that food does and, as a result, we are likely

to eat more.

All the best,

Kay

open RNY 12/1/03

ADARONE53@... wrote:

Why doesn't Richmond want you to drink protein shakes?

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It's been my experience that many people who are successful long-term, after WLS, do protein shakes, especially the ones made with water. There is a BIG debate concerning this, so I'd do some research before I followed anyone's advice to discontinue them.

My opinion is, and your mileage may vary, that many of us cannot get adequate protein from food. I know I have a lot of problems digesting meat, although I can get protein from other sources (like cottage cheese, etc.) I know I feel a lot better when I do two protein shakes per day. In fact, when I cut the shakes out I get tired and crave more carbs throughout the day.

Just my 2 cents. ;-)

Laurie W.

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Hi . . .My understanding is that the folks at Richmond are convinced that drinking protein shakes will inhibit weight loss or possibly even contribute to regaining weight because of something called the "soft calorie syndrome." I'll confess that I don't entirely understand this and would greatly appreciate it if someone else can explain it. I think that it has something to do with the liquid calories not providing the same sense of satiety that food does and, as a result, we are likely to eat more. All the best,Kayopen RNY 12/1/03ADARONE53@... wrote:

Why doesn't Richmond want you to drink protein shakes?

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Hi Kay,

You are correct! I asked Dr Baggs that very question during

consultation and that is exactly what he explained to me. He further

stated if left to drinking these long term, you will never hit your

goal weight and you eventually will gain all your weight back. I

don't know if he was over dramatizing or not, but for the shear fact

that you can gain weight back again and if that is an aid for it I

will be staying away from those shakes.

BTW- I had my first weigh in and I have lost 11 lbs in 3 weeks!!!

YAY!! Only 23 more to go!!!

~

Dr. Baggs

336/325/302- pre op

>

> > Why doesn't Richmond want you to drink protein shakes?

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Hi Laurie,

I know what you mean. I really appreciate the folks at the Richmond Bariatric

Program - but this is the one point on which I can't bring myself to follow

their advise. I don't seem to have any problem with meat. In fact, I have

become much more of a carnivore since I had surgery. Nonetheless, just to

be on safe side, I take in about 30 to 50 grams of whey protein a day - that

is in my shake (made with water - I've completely cut milk out) and the Isopure

Zero Carb. I figure, even if the Richmond folks are right - as long as my

overall calorie intake is good, then the added protein that I get from these

supplements can't hurt me and most likely help.

On the Ossg-Protein list, they seem convinced that more protein shakes are better and don't even seem to be concerned with the overall calories involved. I can't bring myself to do that - anymore than I can bring myself to toe the line with Richmond's complete prohibition.

I do wish that there was some definitive, completely documented guide for

how best we should eat. But there doesn't appear to be. In part because,

as you say, "your mileage may vary" and there just hasn't been enough research

on post-WLS patients over the long-term.

All the best,

Kay

open RNY 12/1/03

Laurie Warner wrote:

It's been my experience that many people who are

successful long-term, after WLS, do protein shakes, especially the ones

made with water. There is a BIG debate concerning this, so I'd do some

research before I followed anyone's advice to discontinue them.

My opinion is, and your mileage may vary, that

many of us cannot get adequate protein from food. I know I have a lot of

problems digesting meat, although I can get protein from other sources (like

cottage cheese, etc.) I know I feel a lot better when I do two protein

shakes per day. In fact, when I cut the shakes out I get tired and crave

more carbs throughout the day.

Just my 2 cents. ;-)

Laurie W.

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Hi ,

I think that Dr. Baggs is wonderful - yet I have a problem with that

line of reasoning. Perhaps he was being over-dramatic to make a point -

but, to me at least, that just makes it harder to accept. Consuming

lots of liquid calories can, in fact, be a major problem - however,

there are loads of long-term post-ops out there who are at goal and have

maintained even though they drink protein shakes. I just can't get past

the point that it seems like the overall calorie intake and the overall

nutritional picture should be what matter.

Each person must make his/her own decision - and I would never suggest

that people ignore their doctor's advise. I am a long way from goal

(although I have lost 104 lb. in the 6 months since surgery) - so,

perhaps, I shouldn't speak out on this subject. Oh, well . . .

Take care,

Kay

open RNY 12/1/03

specialkmix2000 wrote:

> Hi Kay,

> You are correct! I asked Dr Baggs that very question during

> consultation and that is exactly what he explained to me. He further

> stated if left to drinking these long term, you will never hit your

> goal weight and you eventually will gain all your weight back. I

> don't know if he was over dramatizing or not, but for the shear fact

> that you can gain weight back again and if that is an aid for it I

> will be staying away from those shakes.

>

> BTW- I had my first weigh in and I have lost 11 lbs in 3 weeks!!!

> YAY!! Only 23 more to go!!!

>

> ~

> Dr. Baggs

> 336/325/302- pre op

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