Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I am new to SCD. Although I don't have yeast infections, I have symptoms of yeast overgrowth (coated tongue, eczema, cold hands/feet, ,runny nose, IBS, brain fog, shedding hair, dark circles under my eyes etc). I read the files here on yeast. I have started making goat milk yogurt but can't tolerate the taste without honey. I am wondering-does the yeast fighting benefit of the yogurt outweigh the yeast feeding honey that I'm eating with the yogurt?? Any feedback would be appreciated! Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I don't mean to be smart here but I think if you weigh up a taste you don;t like but can get used to over time compared to your overall health... in my own opinion there seems to be an over emphasis with a lot of people on sweet tasting food.... natural foods taste great once you get rid of the artificial sweet taste you are used to... no offence intended to anyone.. as I realise the diet can be tough.. I found myself using far too much honey for a while and though it is good for you..too much if anything is not good...It took me a while to get used to the taste of the yogurt but I love it now and so do some friends of mine who are not even on the diet...best of luck to youCrohns 19months or soSCD 15 or 16 or something.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 DId you get used to the taste of goat's milk yogurt or cow's milk yogurt over time? I had actually given up sugar a while ago so I do appreciate the natural taste of foods but I find the plain goat yogurt vile (without honey). I would be happy to sweeten it with dates in my Vita-mix if I were further into the diet. Thanks, > > I don't mean to be smart here but I think if you weigh up a taste you don;t like but can get used to over time compared to your overall health... > > in my own opinion there seems to be an over emphasis with a lot of people on sweet tasting food.... natural foods taste great once you get rid of the artificial sweet taste you are used to... no offence intended to anyone.. as I realise the diet can be tough.. > > I found myself using far too much honey for a while and though it is good for you..too much if anything is not good... > > It took me a while to get used to the taste of the yogurt but I love it now and so do some friends of mine who are not even on the diet... > > best of luck to you > > > Crohns 19months or so > SCD 15 or 16 or something.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Am not currently eating dairy yogurt, but loved it, the tarter the better. Yum. If you don't like the taste, mix it with something. Like, make raita http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/CUCUMBER-MINT-RAITA-109803 or tzatziki: http://greekfood.about.com/od/appetizerssalads/r/tzatziki_sass.htm (though garlic may dilute the effect of the positive bacteria) Or season it some other way. Be a creative cook. Mara > DId you get used to the taste of goat's milk yogurt or cow's milk > yogurt over time? I had actually given up sugar a while ago so I do > appreciate the natural taste of foods but I find the plain goat > yogurt vile (without honey). I would be happy to sweeten it with > dates in my Vita-mix if I were further into the diet. > Thanks, > > > >> >> I don't mean to be smart here but I think if you weigh up a taste >> you don;t like but can get used to over time compared to your >> overall health... >> >> in my own opinion there seems to be an over emphasis with a lot of >> people on sweet tasting food.... natural foods taste great once you >> get rid of the artificial sweet taste you are used to... no offence >> intended to anyone.. as I realise the diet can be tough.. >> >> I found myself using far too much honey for a while and though it >> is good for you..too much if anything is not good... >> >> It took me a while to get used to the taste of the yogurt but I >> love it now and so do some friends of mine who are not even on the >> diet... >> >> best of luck to you >> >> >> Crohns 19months or so >> SCD 15 or 16 or something.. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 That is a somewhat difficult question to answer. The honey in yogurt when you're also dealing with high levels of yeast may or may not be a factor, it all depends on your body and your digestion. Honey is one of the foods you should either limit or avoid completely when you're on a yeast elimination diet. Yogurt for it's probiotic benefits doesn't actually kill off the yeast, but the beneficial bacteria will move in and occupy the spaces where the dead yeast used to live. So yogurt is important for our gut ecology, but killing off the yeast comes more from not eating too much of the foods that feed them. Some people dealing with yeast find they have to eliminate more of one food than another to get their symptoms under control. You could try cutting back a bit on the honey, see if you notice improvement. If not, then you may have to eliminate the honey completely for a month or two to make some progress on yeast elimination. It usually takes a while to get used to the tart taste of our 24-hour fermented yogurt. You might try using vanilla instead of honey on alternate days, and see if your yeast-related symptoms improve. Also consider if you're getting too much fruit, or high-carb veggies, or too much cheese. You might do well on the yeast elimination battle if you cut back on some of the other yeast-trigger foods but continue to use a bit of honey with your yogurt. Kim M. SCD 5 years >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am new to SCD. Although I don't have yeast infections, I have symptoms of yeast overgrowth (coated tongue, eczema, cold hands/feet, ,runny nose, IBS, brain fog, shedding hair, dark circles under my eyes etc). I read the files here on yeast.I have started making goat milk yogurt but can't tolerate the taste without honey. I am wondering-does the yeast fighting benefit of the yogurt outweigh the yeast feeding honey that I'm eating with the yogurt?? Any feedback would be appreciated!Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Thanks Kim! I just tried the yogurt with vanilla and cinnamin(hopefully it didn't contain anti-caking ingredients!). While it didn't taste any better, it did SMELL wonderful! Maybe I could change my mindset and think of it as " medicine " and not " food " .....Besides, being goat yogurt, it's so thin that I could quickly drink it! > > > > That is a somewhat difficult question to answer. The honey in yogurt when you're also dealing with high levels of yeast may or may not be a factor, it all depends on your body and your digestion. > > Honey is one of the foods you should either limit or avoid completely when you're on a yeast elimination diet. Yogurt for it's probiotic benefits doesn't actually kill off the yeast, but the beneficial bacteria will move in and occupy the spaces where the dead yeast used to live. So yogurt is important for our gut ecology, but killing off the yeast comes more from not eating too much of the foods that feed them. > > Some people dealing with yeast find they have to eliminate more of one food than another to get their symptoms under control. You could try cutting back a bit on the honey, see if you notice improvement. If not, then you may have to eliminate the honey completely for a month or two to make some progress on yeast elimination. > > It usually takes a while to get used to the tart taste of our 24-hour fermented yogurt. You might try using vanilla instead of honey on alternate days, and see if your yeast-related symptoms improve. Also consider if you're getting too much fruit, or high-carb veggies, or too much cheese. You might do well on the yeast elimination battle if you cut back on some of the other yeast-trigger foods but continue to use a bit of honey with your yogurt. > > Kim M. > SCD 5 years > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > I am new to SCD. Although I don't have yeast infections, I have symptoms of yeast overgrowth (coated tongue, eczema, cold hands/feet, ,runny nose, IBS, brain fog, shedding hair, dark circles under my eyes etc). I read the files here on yeast. > I have started making goat milk yogurt but can't tolerate the taste without honey. I am wondering-does the yeast fighting benefit of the yogurt outweigh the yeast feeding honey that I'm eating with the yogurt?? Any feedback would be appreciated! > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I started off on the cows milk yogurt and then onto Goats Milk.. I did not find it that hard to get used to it as I had given up sugar for a while and had eaten plain yogurt in the past.. only toolk me a few days really.. everyone is different of course... hope you find a good way of eating the goats milk yogurt.. having problems getting goats milk where I am in Italy..which sucks as I feel it is so much better...good health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi , I'm having the same problem finding goats' milk in the south, this country is full of goats and goat cheese, but where is the milk? I've only found it once in the past 7 months. The time I made goat milk yogurt it was very watery and stunk to high heaven. I couldn't drink it but my dog loved it. I'm willing to try it again if I can find the milk. Ann, Living in Italy Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years Sacroiliitis 25 years Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years SCD since July, 2008 Meds: None To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 2:46:50 PMSubject: Re:Yeast,Yogurt & Honey I started off on the cows milk yogurt and then onto Goats Milk.. I did not find it that hard to get used to it as I had given up sugar for a while and had eaten plain yogurt in the past.. only toolk me a few days really.. everyone is different of course... hope you find a good way of eating the goats milk yogurt.. having problems getting goats milk where I am in Italy..which sucks as I feel it is so much better...good health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 It's supposed to be runny. Yogurt drink, not thick yogurt. MaraHi ,I'm having the same problem finding goats' milk in the south, this country is full of goats and goat cheese, but where is the milk? I've only found it once in the past 7 months. The time I made goat milk yogurt it was very watery and stunk to high heaven. I couldn't drink it but my dog loved it. I'm willing to try it again if I can find the milk. Ann,Living in ItalyUndiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 yearsSacroiliitis 25 yearsRheumatoid arthritis 25 yearsPyoderma Gangronosum 2 yearsSCD since July, 2008Meds: NoneTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 2:46:50 PMSubject: Re:Yeast,Yogurt & HoneyI started off on the cows milk yogurt and then onto Goats Milk.. I did not find it that hard to get used to it as I had given up sugar for a while and had eaten plain yogurt in the past.. only toolk me a few days really.. everyone is different of course... hope you find a good way of eating the goats milk yogurt.. having problems getting goats milk where I am in Italy..which sucks as I feel it is so much better...good health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hey Ann,well yeah its supposed to be runny alright but not sure about the stink...I was getting it regularly in the CO-OP here in La Spezia but they seemed to have stopped.. or I am not getting here early enough... then I found another place and bought some but the last time I tried to make it.. it curdled so I ended up throwing out 2 litres of it..which sucks!! so I am back on the cows milk at the moment... as for cheese I use swiss elemental(I think)..haha.. when I get to the supermarket I can never remember which are legal..haha...Crohns 19 months or soSCD 16 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hey Ann,well yeah its supposed to be runny alright but not sure about the stink...I was getting it regularly in the CO-OP here in La Spezia but they seemed to have stopped.. or I am not getting here early enough... then I found another place and bought some but the last time I tried to make it.. it curdled so I ended up throwing out 2 litres of it..which sucks!! so I am back on the cows milk at the moment... as for cheese I use swiss elemental(I think)..haha.. when I get to the supermarket I can never remember which are legal..haha...Crohns 19 months or soSCD 16 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 hey Ann,well yeah its supposed to be runny alright but not sure about the stink...I was getting it regularly in the CO-OP here in La Spezia but they seemed to have stopped.. or I am not getting here early enough... then I found another place and bought some but the last time I tried to make it.. it curdled so I ended up throwing out 2 litres of it..which sucks!! so I am back on the cows milk at the moment... as for cheese I use swiss elemental(I think)..haha.. when I get to the supermarket I can never remember which are legal..haha...Crohns 19 months or soSCD 16 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hi , When you say CO-OP, do you mean ipercoop? I haven't tried them yet. The goat's milk I had that one time smelled like goats, I suppose that's normal? I couldn't get past the smell but my dog was crazy for the smell. I've heard that after you taste something 12 times you get used to it. I'll let you know if I find a source of goat's milk. As far as the legal cheeses, just avoid the mozzarella, the hard Italian cheeses are legal. Ann, Living in Italy Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years Sacroiliitis 25 years Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years SCD since July, 2008 Meds: None To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:23:04 PMSubject: Re: Yeast,Yogurt & Honey hey Ann,well yeah its supposed to be runny alright but not sure about the stink...I was getting it regularly in the CO-OP here in La Spezia but they seemed to have stopped.. or I am not getting here early enough... then I found another place and bought some but the last time I tried to make it.. it curdled so I ended up throwing out 2 litres of it..which sucks!! so I am back on the cows milk at the moment... as for cheese I use swiss elemental(I think)..haha. . when I get to the supermarket I can never remember which are legal..haha. ..Crohns 19 months or soSCD 16 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hi Ann,yes I mean the ipercoop, I think they sell good quality foods too... though in Italy the quality seems to be high anyway... hmmm..maybe the goats milk you had was not great if it smelt that bad... can't say I noticed much of a difference in the smell of mine compared with cows milk.. good luck with your search.. and thanks again for the cheese info...seems easy enough to remember...unless brain fog hits me..haha Crohns 19 months or so SCD 16 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Any chance you could find sheep milk where you are?? It's actually even less allergenic than goats milk ( even I can tolerate it, in small amounts!) & is WAAAY tastier !! & makes thick creamy yogurt Mmmmmm...they haven't started producing yet ( it's still -10 c here!) Ooooh but as soon as spring comes I'll be doing the 2 hour drive up the mountain to get it!! ( Cuz it's that good!!!) :-) Gisele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wow! Thanks Gisele! I had never thought of sheep milk. This is sheep country so maybe I could find a source, there is plenty of sheep cheese. I'm sure it wouldn't taste goaty like the other. Great idea!! Ann, Living in Italy Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years Sacroiliitis 25 years Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years SCD since July, 2008 Meds: None To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:26:05 PMSubject: Re: Yeast,Yogurt & Honey Any chance you could find sheep milk where you are?? It's actually even less allergenic than goats milk ( even I can tolerate it, in small amounts!) & is WAAAY tastier !! & makes thick creamy yogurt Mmmmmm...they haven't started producing yet ( it's still -10 c here!) Ooooh but as soon as spring comes I'll be doing the 2 hour drive up the mountain to get it!! ( Cuz it's that good!!!) :-) Gisele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wow! Thanks Gisele! I had never thought of sheep milk. This is sheep country so maybe I could find a source, there is plenty of sheep cheese. I'm sure it wouldn't taste goaty like the other. Great idea!! Ann, Living in Italy Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years Sacroiliitis 25 years Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years SCD since July, 2008 Meds: None To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:26:05 PMSubject: Re: Yeast,Yogurt & Honey Any chance you could find sheep milk where you are?? It's actually even less allergenic than goats milk ( even I can tolerate it, in small amounts!) & is WAAAY tastier !! & makes thick creamy yogurt Mmmmmm...they haven't started producing yet ( it's still -10 c here!) Ooooh but as soon as spring comes I'll be doing the 2 hour drive up the mountain to get it!! ( Cuz it's that good!!!) :-) Gisele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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