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Do you eat your snack at night? My dietitian told me that if I don't eat

that snack at night it could actually make your fasting BG go higher. Don't

know how much truth is in it.

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Silvers annie wrote:

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> Hi all,

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> I have a question and not too much info yet on it. My

> Fasting BG is usually in the 135 range. Once in a

> while it is within goal range. I have tried exercise

> and then taking the Fasting BG and it doesn't

> significantly change.

Hi,

It helps to eat a no/superlow-carbohydrate meal immediately you awake.

(Steak and egg for example or a green pepper or mushroom omelette.) The

high glucose is called the " dawn phenomenon " and it is your liver

kicking in as soon as you wake as it " sees " no glucose absorbing, so it

makes glucose to get by on at the start of the day. A good book is Dr

Bernstein's Diabetes Solution to explain this and other metabolic

effects related to glucose.

Personally I also find it helps to not oversleep. If I cut my sleep

hours a bit and do a nap at another time I get better fasting control.

Dunno if this works for others.

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

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I don't think that topic will ever be covered too much.

But you haven't given us enough to go on.

Does your fasting blood sugar go up under particular conditions, like

illness, stress, menstrual cycle, a day without exercise and your nephew's

birthday party? Does it come down under particular conditions?

Are you taking any medication?

And, not that you haven't, but have you asked your doctor or nurse, or

nutritionist? What did he or she say? Is the doctor considering medication

or another strategy, or did he say, that's cool, it's not 140?!

In my experience, the diabetes educator is often teh most knowledgeable

about this sort of thing. And she usually works closely with a

nutritionist who knows almost as much.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

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Annie,

If you'r ereferring to AM fasting, it sounds like the dawn effect,

which has been discussed pretty extensively. Try searching the

archives.

On a second note, exercising can actually raise your BG a bit for a

period of time.

Jim

> Hi all,

>

> I have a question and not too much info yet on it. My

> Fasting BG is usually in the 135 range.

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The dawn effect means that some people have blood sugar levels that just

tend to go up when they don't eat for a period of time. After some time of

not eating one's liver has to release sugar, and this can be hard to

control.

But I didn't see where the person who asked said enough to know this was the

problem. I can see what sounded similar, but there wasn't enough specific

information.

If that is the problem, eating a substantial and well-balanced snack, with

some starch and some protein, before bed may help. That helps some people,

and makes other peoples' problems worse.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

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In a message dated 3/25/2005 6:46:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Silversannie@... writes:

The frustrating part is that it has been three months since the last doctor

visit and one month between nutritionist/educator visits. I have more

questions. They just keep coming into my head. The good news

is that I lost 25 pounds since January. That in itself makes me feel

better.

Hi Annie,

You may already be doing this, but if not, you may want to write down

questions you will have for your doctor. You may want to mail or fax the

questions

to him prior to your next visit. That way, he will have a chance to look at

them and will have answers ready for you during your visit and will take

less time.

Congratulations on the weight loss. You're doing great.

hugs

Eunice

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good evening everyone..im new here and wanted to speak

up in on this. i had the same problem... my fasting

in the morning was always running high. my endo

wanted to blame it on the dawn effect, but i knew that

it wasn't it. i started eating, say an orange before

going to bed...something like fruit that will go

quickly, and my bg's are excellent in the morning now.

i make sure that my bg is on target before i eat the

orange too. now, if i eat a bag of popcorn (65g

carbs), my bg is elevated in the morning. maybe just

a small glass of fruit juice, no more than 30g.

something that isn't high on the glycemic index.

--- earnestmick@... wrote:

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> Do you eat your snack at night? My dietitian told

> me that if I don't eat

> that snack at night it could actually make your

> fasting BG go higher. Don't

> know how much truth is in it.

>

> Micki

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At 06:17 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks for the many responses so far. To answer the concerns that I did

>not address, I am a newly diagnosed T2. I am keeping a food diary and BG

>testing diary for the first time. I have not seen my doctor and have an

>appointment for April 18. I have my blood work done April 11. I will see

>the nutritionist/educator also on April 11. She is having me do the

>diaries. I don't have some of the answers because this is all pretty new.

The combination of the diaries and your meter reading will tell them worlds

to start with. If they've got you waiting that long, then you're not that

serious - i kno... you *feel* that serious, scared and all the rest, but if

your numbers were life threatening (mine were) you'd be in a hospital and

they'd have you eating *their* diet (regulated strictly) and seeing a

diabetes educator immediately (I was and did..). Right now the best they

can do to get you into some kind of equilibrium is to see how your food

balances with your blood sugars. That takes a week or so of seeing how they

react. It's hard but be patient. They'd have to do nearly the same thing no

matter what unless they hospitalized you for upwards of a week (not an

enviable situation).

> I will try your suggestions.

My thoughts in this case are follow the doctors suggestions unless they

start sounding totally crackpot and even destructive in effect. Then think

3 or 4 times before heading off to *another* doctor for another opinion.

It's extremely vital that at the start you do ****everything**** exactly as

you're told to do it. Every bit of food in your mouth onto your diary. All

the exercise, everything. If they don't know they can't do their best with

you. Don't a lib anything and don't use anyone else's techniques until

they've got your system nailed down to give YOU the best treatment!! VERY

VERY Important!!

>You all do make much sense and bring much wisdom and experience to this

>group. That is why I asked. I will try the evening snack.

And some of us have to totally forgo any snack that was usual to prescribe

in the typical diabetes diet of 15 years ago. It all depends. Do what they

expect you to do. If you change things around day to day they can't get an

'average' of your system! This can lead to either your not getting enough

meds or even getting too much.

> I only sleep 5 or 6 hours tops per night, but I will pay close

> attention to those times when the reading is within range.

You'll be surprised at how you'll feel overall better and your general

conditions (including sleep) may go back to more 'usual' patterns once

aches and pains caused by the diabetes are alleviated somewhat. Don't

assume that some of this won't clear up, possibly all of it.

> I exercise moderately for an hour each day, no matter what. The

> frustrating part is that it has been three months since the last doctor

> visit and one month between nutritionist/educator visits.

Doctors can't do much except look at the overall numbers and correct your

prescription meds. Your diabetes educator should be able to get into

contact with them if necessary and she sees something out of line.

Personally, I'd rather have a good diabetes educator than a really top

notch doctor. They can head off problems long before a doctor is necessary!

Learn to depend on *this* person for primary care. You should be able to

call them or get into them if things really get whacky suddenly. If you're

doing ok, they won't really need to see you until there are enough readings

(days) to base some kind of evaluation on. Being anxious about not seeing

them is counterproductive in such cases and can even drive up your sugars -

or even drive them down - unnaturally (stress and travel drives my super

low). In either case it won't give a good reading on what your 'baseline'

is going to be.

> I have more questions. They just keep coming into my head. The good news

> is that I lost 25 pounds since January. That in itself makes me feel

> better.

I'm sure it's everyone's pleasure to give what experience and support they

can. We've been there and it's frightening at best to have to start this!!

In matter of fact the whole chemistry of your body can change (right down

to the way you smell) getting your sugars back into line again. Expect to

have emotional effects too. When your body chemistry is swinging wild for a

time expect the unexpected..

Good luck.

>

>Thanks for being here,

>Annie

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earnestmick@... wrote:

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> Do you eat your snack at night? My dietitian told me that if I don't eat

> that snack at night it could actually make your fasting BG go higher. Don't

> know how much truth is in it.

I eat a small high protein meal before bed time, that is about 1 to 1.5

hours before bed. It ensures that my fasting BG in the morning is

relatively decent.

The protein works because it absorbs slowly and keeps some glucose there

for longer, so that the liver does not get enthusiastic making more too

soon :-))

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

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