Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of healthcoaching@... Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:17 AM To: BTVC-SCD Subject: progress...? Hi There, The first 2.5 weeks I started to feel a lot better loose stools all cleared up and gut pain gone mostly. Now I have gut pain and hardly any bowel activity. Woke up in the night with a terrible gut ache the other night. Can someone tell me if this is something that often happens? Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. Eating nut flour seems to help. I feel highly deficient in grain fibres and my regular brown rice process but am enduring. I have not yet been able to make the yogurt but will get what I need today to do so. Have read the book cover to cover, except the autism part, which I will get to. Thanks for insights, in advance. Robyn Grant What some people can tolerate others can’t. I know if I were eating much of what you’re eating I’d be in trouble. My system can’t tolerate broccoli, bok choy, grape juice, black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey (regular honey is ok for me), and I have to be very careful about cheese curds. __. What I’m noticing lately is that a lot of people on the SCD are eating high levels of fruit carbs. Though Elaine never said that was bad, my reading and researching in a number of sources in the last months is convincing me that high levels of carbs of any kind is just not a good idea, but especially eating much of the particularly sweet fruits like bananas, pineapple, grapes, strawberries and some types of apples (like Delicious, e.g.). Fruit carbs, eaten in large quantities or in individual fruits that have large quantities, won’t get digested quickly enough to prevent bad bacteria from feeding on them. And drying (or reducing to compote) concentrates those sugars, as someone else has already pointed out. If anyone’s (still) having SCD problems and is eating a lot of the naturally sweet fruits, you might want to try cutting back on it to see it that helps. I know it has helped me. n _,_.___ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 3/4/2009 7:41 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Thank you n. If you don't mind, would you tell me what you eat so I have some better idea of what might work? I feel I am eating way too much meat and cheese, eggs, curds but am hungry if I dont. On the other hand, as far as carbs go, never before in my life have I been able to eat honey without having an almost instant yeast infection. On SCD, it doesn't happen, and my tongue is looking much healthier too...not so much white. This tells me that something good is happening and I suspect the starches were triggering that problem. I have a very fast metabolism and so need to make sure I eat enough to sustain my blood sugar. Do you include honey in that fruit sugar concept? When you say " in trouble " does that mean constipation? ...or diarrhea? It seems to me the more cooked veg a person would eat, the better digestion one would have. Maybe not. Thanks for the insight! Robyn > > From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf > Of healthcoaching@... > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:17 AM > To: BTVC-SCD > Subject: progress...? > > > > Hi There, > > The first 2.5 weeks I started to feel a lot better loose stools all cleared > up and gut pain gone mostly. Now I have gut pain and hardly any bowel > activity. Woke up in the night with a terrible gut ache the other night. Can > someone tell me if this is something that often happens? > > Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat > too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic > beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, > eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed > grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and > black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. > > Eating nut flour seems to help. I feel highly deficient in grain fibres and > my regular brown rice process but am enduring. I have not yet been able to > make the yogurt but will get what I need today to do so. > > Have read the book cover to cover, except the autism part, which I will get > to. > > Thanks for insights, in advance. > > Robyn Grant > > > > What some people can tolerate others can't. I know if I were eating much of > what you're eating I'd be in trouble. My system can't tolerate broccoli, bok > choy, grape juice, black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey (regular honey is > ok for me), and I have to be very careful about cheese curds. __. > > > > What I'm noticing lately is that a lot of people on the SCD are eating high > levels of fruit carbs. Though Elaine never said that was bad, my reading and > researching in a number of sources in the last months is convincing me that > high levels of carbs of any kind is just not a good idea, but especially > eating much of the particularly sweet fruits like bananas, pineapple, > grapes, strawberries and some types of apples (like Delicious, e.g.). Fruit > carbs, eaten in large quantities or in individual fruits that have large > quantities, won't get digested quickly enough to prevent bad bacteria from > feeding on them. And drying (or reducing to compote) concentrates those > sugars, as someone else has already pointed out. > > > > If anyone's (still) having SCD problems and is eating a lot of the naturally > sweet fruits, you might want to try cutting back on it to see it that helps. > I know it has helped me. > > > > n > > _,_.___ > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 3/4/2009 > 7:41 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Thank you n. If you don't mind, would you tell me what you eat so I have some better idea of what might work? I feel I am eating way too much meat and cheese, eggs, curds but am hungry if I dont. On the other hand, as far as carbs go, never before in my life have I been able to eat honey without having an almost instant yeast infection. On SCD, it doesn't happen, and my tongue is looking much healthier too...not so much white. This tells me that something good is happening and I suspect the starches were triggering that problem. I have a very fast metabolism and so need to make sure I eat enough to sustain my blood sugar. Do you include honey in that fruit sugar concept? When you say " in trouble " does that mean constipation? ...or diarrhea? It seems to me the more cooked veg a person would eat, the better digestion one would have. Maybe not. Thanks for the insight! Robyn > > From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf > Of healthcoaching@... > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:17 AM > To: BTVC-SCD > Subject: progress...? > > > > Hi There, > > The first 2.5 weeks I started to feel a lot better loose stools all cleared > up and gut pain gone mostly. Now I have gut pain and hardly any bowel > activity. Woke up in the night with a terrible gut ache the other night. Can > someone tell me if this is something that often happens? > > Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat > too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic > beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, > eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed > grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and > black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. > > Eating nut flour seems to help. I feel highly deficient in grain fibres and > my regular brown rice process but am enduring. I have not yet been able to > make the yogurt but will get what I need today to do so. > > Have read the book cover to cover, except the autism part, which I will get > to. > > Thanks for insights, in advance. > > Robyn Grant > > > > What some people can tolerate others can't. I know if I were eating much of > what you're eating I'd be in trouble. My system can't tolerate broccoli, bok > choy, grape juice, black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey (regular honey is > ok for me), and I have to be very careful about cheese curds. __. > > > > What I'm noticing lately is that a lot of people on the SCD are eating high > levels of fruit carbs. Though Elaine never said that was bad, my reading and > researching in a number of sources in the last months is convincing me that > high levels of carbs of any kind is just not a good idea, but especially > eating much of the particularly sweet fruits like bananas, pineapple, > grapes, strawberries and some types of apples (like Delicious, e.g.). Fruit > carbs, eaten in large quantities or in individual fruits that have large > quantities, won't get digested quickly enough to prevent bad bacteria from > feeding on them. And drying (or reducing to compote) concentrates those > sugars, as someone else has already pointed out. > > > > If anyone's (still) having SCD problems and is eating a lot of the naturally > sweet fruits, you might want to try cutting back on it to see it that helps. > I know it has helped me. > > > > n > > _,_.___ > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 3/4/2009 > 7:41 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm a newby. But noticed right away that I was getting constipated. I backed off on some of the dairy and am going to try more of the nut flour recipes. By the way, the muffins are great. I added bananas since they tend to agree with me. But I'm not a person who eats lots of vegs or fruits at this point. I'm easing into it. I am not a meat eater either. I guess I always thought that too much cheese and dairy can cause problems for me. Anyone else? .To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:17:00 AMSubject: progress...? Hi There, The first 2.5 weeks I started to feel a lot better loose stools all cleared up and gut pain gone mostly. Now I have gut pain and hardly any bowel activity. Woke up in the night with a terrible gut ache the other night. Can someone tell me if this is something that often happens? Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. Eating nut flour seems to help. I feel highly deficient in grain fibres and my regular brown rice process but am enduring. I have not yet been able to make the yogurt but will get what I need today to do so. Have read the book cover to cover, except the autism part, which I will get to. Thanks for insights, in advance. Robyn Grant BC Canada Gluten free for Celiacs 29 years no medication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Thanks. I expect this is it. I am a huge meat/chicken/fish, steamed veggie and brown rice person for a few years now, which worked great for a while...and now I am having trouble with the limitation of what to eat. I am presently baking mussings - zucchini- and just made cheese bread. We'll see what happens. Bananas are not agreeing with me, even the really really ripe ones. Thanks fo rthe input. I appreciate it! Robyn > > I'm a newby. But noticed right away that I was getting constipated. I backed off on some of the dairy and am going to try more of the nut flour recipes. By the way, the muffins are great. I added bananas since they tend to agree with me. But I'm not a person who eats lots of vegs or fruits at this point. I'm easing into it. I am not a meat eater either. I guess I always thought that too much cheese and dairy can cause problems for me. Anyone else? . > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: BTVC-SCD > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:17:00 AM > Subject: progress...? > > > Hi There, > > The first 2.5 weeks I started to feel a lot better loose stools all cleared up and gut pain gone mostly. Now I have gut pain and hardly any bowel activity. Woke up in the night with a terrible gut ache the other night. Can someone tell me if this is something that often happens? > > Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. > > Eating nut flour seems to help. I feel highly deficient in grain fibres and my regular brown rice process but am enduring. I have not yet been able to make the yogurt but will get what I need today to do so. > > Have read the book cover to cover, except the autism part, which I will get to. > > Thanks for insights, in advance. > > Robyn Grant > BC Canada > Gluten free for Celiacs 29 years > no medication > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hi Robyn>Maybe I am eating too much dairy or too much meat...is it possible to eat too many cooked veggies and get this result? I am eating dry curds, organic beef, turkey carrot soup, steamed broc, asparagus, mushrooms, bok choy, eggs, cheddar and havarti cheeses, cooked pears and cherries, fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and lemon juice every few days, welches grape juice and black cherry juice, unpasteurized honey, olive oil. >At 2.5 weeks, I would not have been able to eat all of the veggies that you have in your repertoire. At that point I was just eating well steamed French cut green beans, well steamed zucchini, carrots and maybe some butternut squash, but I'm not sure about the squash. Everyone is different in what they can tolerate and when, but I would have had a lot of trouble with the broccoli, asparagus, mushrooms and the fresh juice. I have been on the diet for a little more than 2 years now and I can just now tolerate an occasional raw peeled apple or pear. And I now eat broccoli and asparagus but if I get excited about having it and make it several times in one week, I have problems right away. So, it may be that you could try using some veggies that are typically easier to digest---although which ones those are can vary for individuals since Marilyn could eat broccoli quite early, I believe.My primary reactions to foods that are too advanced or that I have consumed too much of is a stomachache.HTHJeanine celiac SCD jan07 Thanks for insights, in advance. Robyn Grant BC Canada Gluten free for Celiacs 29 yearsno medication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of healthcoaching@... Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:09 PM To: BTVC-SCD Subject: Re: progress...? Thank you n. If you don't mind, would you tell me what you eat so I have some better idea of what might work? I feel I am eating way too much meat and cheese, eggs, curds but am hungry if I dont. On the other hand, as far as carbs go, never before in my life have I been able to eat honey without having an almost instant yeast infection. On SCD, it doesn't happen, and my tongue is looking much healthier too...not so much white. This tells me that something good is happening and I suspect the starches were triggering that problem. (Hi Robyn) I also feel at times like I’m eating too much meat and eggs (I don’t eat much cheese). But I’m not sure why I feel that way, as it that does fill me up and “sticks to one’s ribs,” as they say. And it combats my sugar cravings, which I’m having more frequently lately. (Clearly my body doesn’t like being deprived of sugar – though I was not a huge carb eater before I went on this diet.) I’m perhaps not eating enough vegetables yet. I can butternut squash, carrots, green beans, asparagus (I’ve been too lazy to make cheese sauce for it, but obviously that would be an option, spinach (I hand-snip the stems, as I find them to fibery); cooked frozen peas don’t go down quite as well (they’re too sweet for me, I think.) I’ve just added fresh salad and that seems to be working for me: blends of leaf lettuces, spinach leaves, finely grated carrot. I have used some reduced tomato juice made into sauce, but find the smell of it revolting when even a little honey is added to it. So much for my home-made BBQ sauce! I can’t drink tomato juice; too acidic. Re: meats, I eat chicken, turkey, pork (chops and loin), legal sausage, hamburger (sometimes made into meatloaf). I’m going to cut out the yogurt for a while and take those strains of acidophilus in tablet form, as I think I may be reacting to milk protein. I hope I’m wrong. I do find this all boring at times. I need to get an SCD cookbook, which I don’t have at this point. But, as others have said, cooking right takes a fair bit of time, and I’m not feeling terribly creative or energetic in that department these days (though I do like to cook and have been told I’m normally a fairly creative cook). Re: the sources I’ve read re: the possibility of getting too much sugar in fruit. I can’t recall anything specifically about honey, but I assume it would apply, since the total carbs being consumed, as well as types of carbs, may be an issue for a lot of people with gut problems. I don’t know that any of this is helpful to you. Adapting to this diet is such an individual thing, just as individuals react quite differently to their CD or UC. n I have a very fast metabolism and so need to make sure I eat enough to sustain my blood sugar. Do you include honey in that fruit sugar concept? When you say " in trouble " does that mean constipation? ...or diarrhea? It seems to me the more cooked veg a person would eat, the better digestion one would have. Maybe not. Thanks for the insight! Robyn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 7:54 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 n, have you checked out http://www.scdrecipe.com/. There are lots of great recipes on there worth trying. Misty Kimble CD - no meds SCD - 14 months > I do find this all boring at times. I need to get an SCD cookbook, which I don't have at this point. But, as others have said, cooking right takes a fair bit of time, and I'm not feeling terribly creative or energetic in that department these days (though I do like to cook and have been told I'm normally a fairly creative cook). > > n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Thanks much for the link. I saw that a while back and forgot to bookmark it. Now I’ve got it! n From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Misty Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:16 PM To: BTVC-SCD Subject: Re: progress...? n, have you checked out http://www.scdrecipe.com/. There are lots of great recipes on there worth trying. Misty Kimble CD - no meds SCD - 14 months No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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