Re: How long have we been able to control diabetes?

[Guest guest]

First 'diagnosis' goes back to Ancient Greece so we've 'known' about

diabetes for a long long time.

As for being able to control it.. well for Type 2 non-insulin

dependant, we've always been able to control it because it's down to

the individual... 'you are what you eat'.

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> I keep forgetting tot ask my doctor but I always

> wonder... How long have we known about diabetes and

> How long have we been control it?

>

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

>

> As for being able to control it.. well for Type 2 non-insulin

> dependant, we've always been able to control it because it's down

to

> the individual... 'you are what you eat'.

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This is so much not true that it makes my head spin. No offense

intended, but really, to paint type 2 with such a broad brush is not

only wrong, it encourages and furthers the false belief that if a

type 2 would just control him or herself and stop eating so much,

diabetes wouldn't be an issue.

There are plenty of type 2s who cannot control the disease with just

what they eat or what they eat plus exercise. Many, or most, more

accurately, type 2s will end up on medication at some point, and over

half will be on insulin. Some are on insulin within a year of

diagnosis after trying the pills.

This is a disease that has many causes and many factors involved in

its control. What we eat is one facet, but only one. There are

genetic factors as well, and just plain bad luck.

We are very lucky to be living in the time we're living in, when

there are meters and medications and insulin that can help us.

And as for " you are what you eat " last time I checked, we don't all

react to all foods the same way, do we? Some can eat grains, some

can't, etc.

Lance

Type 1, Lantus & Humalog (son of type 2 parents)

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Once again, there seems to be mis-interprtation of what is said. I

never said people could control Type 2 by 'stopping eating so much'.

The condition (let me just restate - Type 2 non-insulin dependent)

is however, totally controllable by controlling what you eat. The

what is far more important than the quantity.

Type 2 is, by definition, a condition caused by an under production

of insulin or by the bodies under use of the insulin it does

provide. We can all do things that can help our own bodies make

better use of the insulin we do produce and make ourselves less

reliant on drugs.

Also there is absolutely no evidence to back up your statement

that " Many, or most, more accurately, type 2s will end up on

medication at some point, and over half will be on insulin. " This is

simply incorrect.

Everyone can be pro-active and find out the things that are good &

bad for their BG. However, a far more important goal would be to

improve their bodies production/use/sensitivity of/to insulin with a

view to regulating and potentially reversing the condition

completely.

S.

Type 2 - Not on Meds and don't intend to be, BG's normal for a 'non-

diabetic'.

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> This is so much not true that it makes my head spin. No offense

> intended, but really, to paint type 2 with such a broad brush is

not

> only wrong, it encourages and furthers the false belief that if a

> type 2 would just control him or herself and stop eating so much,

> diabetes wouldn't be an issue.

[Guest guest]

Re: How long have we been able to control diabetes?

Hi there,

Once again, there seems to be mis-interprtation of what is said. I

never said people could control Type 2 by 'stopping eating so much'.

The condition (let me just restate - Type 2 non-insulin dependent)

is however, totally controllable by controlling what you eat. The

what is far more important than the quantity.

[, Bruce] Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who eat right and

go out of control anyway.

[Guest guest]

LOL!... Bruce you were/are and always will be totally out of

control!

But as you say, we're all individuals and every one of us is

different. Likewise there are 101 ways of dealing with diabetes and

everyone gets to choose which route they want to go.

I'm actually working up some numbers that I'll post at the end of

the month which may be an interesting insight into my 'personal'

situation and why I feel so strongly about a natural approach to

dealing with Type 2.

I suffered badly from side-effects from the meds that my Doctor was

so quick to prescribe and having used natural remedies to

cure/prevent other ailments, it was compelling to try the same for

the diabetes.

have fun, and stay out of control, save your BG which you must

compel to succumb to the power of the force

ttfn

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> Hi there,

>

> Once again, there seems to be mis-interprtation of what is said. I

> never said people could control Type 2 by 'stopping eating so

much'.

> The condition (let me just restate - Type 2 non-insulin dependent)

> is however, totally controllable by controlling what you eat. The

> what is far more important than the quantity.

> [, Bruce] Not necessarily! There are plenty of people who

eat right and go out of control anyway.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" ...The condition (let me just restate - Type 2 non-insulin dependent)

is however, totally controllable by controlling what you eat. The

what is far more important than the quantity. "

This simply is not the case for me. Controlling the types and quantity of foods

has helped, for sure, but did not bring my blood sugars to desirable levels.

Only medication plus diet has worked for me. I am an avid rock climber, runner,

and backpacker, and exercise daily. I eat a sufficiently low calorie, low

glycemic index diet that I currently weigh less than when I used to train for

marathons. Yet despite a stringent diet and lots of exercise, I still require

oral meds to get a reasonable A1C.

A natural way of dealing with type II was mentioned. I'm always interested in

hearing about alternatives, especially ones that could potentially eliminate the

medications.

Ok, I'll go back to lurking.

Mike Arends

[Guest guest]

Hi 'lurking' Mike,

I'm more than happy to share my regime, I just wanted to collate a

little more data before going public here and being accused of

touting a 'miracle cure'

One thing I realised early is that the meds are designed to work in

a peverse fashion... much like antacids are for indigestion.

Indigestion is caused by not having sufficient acid & enzymes in the

stomach to correctly digest food. The result is gas and reactions

that lead to hearburn et.al. What do we need, more acid (yep, that's

right, more)... what do we do, we take antacids that get rid of all

of the acid... duh!

There's something wrong with this picture.

Likewise for diabetes, drugs like glipizide/glucotrol work

perversely.

In the case of the Type 2, we produce insulin (in some cases not

enough) but our bodies don't use it well. Our insulin sensitivity is

low.

So, we take meds that.... force our pancreas to make more insulin.

Different picture, same problem.

Wouldn't it be better to change our body chemistry so that we make

better use of the insulin we already manufacture?

This was my goal from the beginning.

I'll post a file to the appropriate section listing my

current 'plan' that way it won't clog the main board. Watch that

space

> A natural way of dealing with type II was mentioned. I'm always

interested in hearing about alternatives, especially ones that could

potentially eliminate the medications.

>

> Ok, I'll go back to lurking.

>

> Mike Arends

[Guest guest]

< From Randall, via... Errr... my email! >

" I suffered badly from side-effects from the meds that my Doctor was

so quick to prescribe and having used natural remedies to

cure/prevent other ailments, it was compelling to try the same for

the diabetes. "

I also cannot take any meds for anything. Not Nexium for bad

Laryngeal Reflux (throat clearing) nor Metformin or Glyburide as

they make me almost dysfunctional.

Metformin can mnake a person feel simply miserable, worse than the

effects of BG changes. Some can take it. I wish I could because

people lose weight on it and are able to go off it if their sugars

moderate. I disagree with the person who said you can't control it

by diet. When I was on the Atkins diet my sugars and BP returned to

dead center normal. One of my doctors patients is a 70 year old man

who watches what he eats religioulsy and takes Chroimum and is able

to keep is sugars in line.

Randall

[Guest guest]

i believe 'diabetes melitus' means 'fountain of honey' from

ancient greece. Clearly tasting one's own urine, or if you're posh

getting someone else to do it, to see if it tasted sweet (honey like)

was part of your daily ablutions!!! I would further guess that they

controled it by diet alone, death would suggest that the treatment had

been a failure!

However in 1922 those clever old Canadians discovered they could

isolate insulin and inject it into diabetics which stopped them

dieing. http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bldiabetes.htm

cheeers... simon

T2 Hampshire England

I keep forgetting tot ask my doctor but I always wonder... How long

have we known about diabetes and How long have we been control it?

Thanks

" I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than

you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible

gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. " ... F