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Most a.m. serum levels since June

have been mid-range; 14.5,8.5(9;30am),13.2, 7.6 (noon), 11.6.

For women the serum at 8AM shoudl be at least 20. AT noon 14 or so, so it DOES

change ALOT by time of day. Even an hour can make a drastic difference. And if

oyu sleep differnt hours thna " nirmal " it can also make a difference. Thsi is

why the saliva testin shows AF so much better.

>>Serum androgen levels

have typically been high/high normal, but DHEAs level finally coming

down (144) on last serum.<<

OK this is your adrenals giving up the ship. When adrenal fatigue hits stage 6

the DHEA and thus the sex hormoens will usually be pretty high. They are all the

adrenals CAN make to pumo the metabolism. When DHEA starts lowering you are

entering stage 7.

Assuming the levels will stay the same is a HUGE mistake! They progress

sometimes slowly sometimes faster dependding on what else is going oin in the

body.. Amoutn of daily stres, HOW hypothyroid you are or are not, and digestion

as whether your body is stressed form pooor digesition or even from poor glucose

levels.

>>I should add that blood sugar (I have a home monitor) is all over

the place, with post-meals being as high as 180's; fastings from mid-

8o's to low 100's. <<

Depending on WHAT you ate and how long after eating it these may be perfectly

mornal readings. HIGH carb meal in the first 2 hours DO go quite high on the

glucose meter. Then your insuling kicks in and lowers it how fast depends on if

you have enough insulin, low enough insulin resistance and hwo many carbs there

are to handle and if they are fast or slow carbs. Full digestoin and glucose

handling takes 5 hours afdter a meal to complete. To say your glucose is jumping

around, you need ot compare fastign numbers ONLY. That means nothign to eat or

drink for 5 hours before testing.

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> Most a.m. serum levels since June

> have been mid-range; 14.5,8.5(9;30am),13.2, 7.6 (noon), 11.6.

>

> For women the serum at 8AM shoudl be at least 20. AT noon 14 or

so, so it DOES change ALOT by time of day. Even an hour can make a

drastic difference. And if oyu sleep differnt hours thna " nirmal " it

can also make a difference. Thsi is why the saliva testin shows AF

so much better.

>

> >>Serum androgen levels

> have typically been high/high normal, but DHEAs level finally

coming

> down (144) on last serum.<<

>

> OK this is your adrenals giving up the ship. When adrenal fatigue

hits stage 6 the DHEA and thus the sex hormoens will usually be

pretty high. They are all the adrenals CAN make to pumo the

metabolism. When DHEA starts lowering you are entering stage 7.

>

> Assuming the levels will stay the same is a HUGE mistake! They

progress sometimes slowly sometimes faster dependding on what else

is going oin in the body.. Amoutn of daily stres, HOW hypothyroid

you are or are not, and digestion as whether your body is stressed

form pooor digesition or even from poor glucose levels.

>

> >>I should add that blood sugar (I have a home monitor) is all

over

> the place, with post-meals being as high as 180's; fastings from

mid-

> 8o's to low 100's. <<

>

> Depending on WHAT you ate and how long after eating it these may

be perfectly mornal readings. HIGH carb meal in the first 2 hours DO

go quite high on the glucose meter. Then your insuling kicks in and

lowers it how fast depends on if you have enough insulin, low enough

insulin resistance and hwo many carbs there are to handle and if

they are fast or slow carbs. Full digestoin and glucose handling

takes 5 hours afdter a meal to complete. To say your glucose is

jumping around, you need ot compare fastign numbers ONLY. That means

nothign to eat or drink for 5 hours before testing.

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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> Most a.m. serum levels since June

> have been mid-range; 14.5,8.5(9;30am),13.2, 7.6 (noon), 11.6.

>

> For women the serum at 8AM shoudl be at least 20. AT noon 14 or

so, so it DOES change ALOT by time of day. Even an hour can make a

drastic difference. And if oyu sleep differnt hours thna " nirmal " it

can also make a difference. Thsi is why the saliva testin shows AF

so much better. So..what do I do here..where do I start? I'm not so

sure I don't need a doc to help me through this. I'm in N.C. and

have considered Rind. Any advice? Email me privately if you need

to.

>

> >>Serum androgen levels

> have typically been high/high normal, but DHEAs level finally

coming

> down (144) on last serum.<<

>

> OK this is your adrenals giving up the ship. When adrenal fatigue

hits stage 6 the DHEA and thus the sex hormoens will usually be

pretty high. They are all the adrenals CAN make to pumo the

metabolism. When DHEA starts lowering you are entering stage 7.

Which is failure? There IS more relaxation at this stage.. Does

cortisol jump around at this stage also?

>

> Assuming the levels will stay the same is a HUGE mistake! They

progress sometimes slowly sometimes faster dependding on what else

is going oin in the body.. Amoutn of daily stres, HOW hypothyroid

you are or are not, and digestion as whether your body is stressed

form pooor digesition or even from poor glucose levels.

>

> >>I should add that blood sugar (I have a home monitor) is all

over

> the place, with post-meals being as high as 180's; fastings from

mid-

> 8o's to low 100's. << Fasting's are consistently at around 7:30A,

about 12 hours after eating. I'm pretty educated about glycemic

control and post-prandials can be high sometimes even with good

protein/low glycemic foods. I should add that diabetes is rampant

on both sides of my family. Also that I have gained about 15 lbs

(although still not " heavy " ) mostly around middle. High androgens?

>

> Depending on WHAT you ate and how long after eating it these may

be perfectly mornal readings. HIGH carb meal in the first 2 hours DO

go quite high on the glucose meter. Then your insuling kicks in and

lowers it how fast depends on if you have enough insulin, low enough

insulin resistance and hwo many carbs there are to handle and if

they are fast or slow carbs. Full digestoin and glucose handling

takes 5 hours afdter a meal to complete. To say your glucose is

jumping around, you need ot compare fastign numbers ONLY. That means

nothign to eat or drink for 5 hours before testing.

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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Have you had saliva testing done four times in a day? Those are the best

for knowing how bad adrenal fatigue is and what you will most liekly

need to treat it.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Hey Val:

Yes, I have..have had done three times in last year, I posted previous

6 mos (let me know if you can't find and I'll post it again).

Thanks so much for your help.

Avi

>

> Have you had saliva testing done four times in a day? Those are the

best

> for knowing how bad adrenal fatigue is and what you will most liekly

> need to treat it.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>

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I believe IU did comment on these before when yiu sent them. What I see

if both were done while off all cortiosl supplementation for at least 2

weeks is a preogression of AF. It is gettign MUCH worse which would

indicate your treatment plan (if you had one) is not working and time to

get serious with some HC. The blood levels and saliva levels will NEVER

be in agreement on hormones as you are lookign at two differnt thing.s

Blood levels show what is available to the vcells and saliva levels show

what is in the tissues or already taken up by the cells. As hormones

work in the tissues the saliva levels are of most importance I feel but

the blood levels being much higher can indicate a receptor problem.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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