Re: Question about canned tomatoes, DCCC, & citric acid

[Guest guest]

>> 1)If there are no " illegal " ingredients listed on

canned tomatoes, the Eden Organic brand (Organic Roma Tomatoes, Organic

Roasted Minced Onion, Organic Roasted Minced Garlic) is this safe OR is

there something about the canning process that makes it illegal.

<<

Hi, ! Welcome to the list!

There's nothing in the canning process which makes canned goods unsafe

SCD-wise. What makes stuff unsafe is the fact that commercial

manufacturers are allowed to add up to 2% of " something " and

not declare it. They're also not required to declare an ingredient if

THEY didn't add it.

For instance -- suppose Eden Organic buys their Roasted Minced Onion from

some other organic producer. Who's to say XYZ Corp didn't add starch or

sugar or maltodextrin during their processing of the onion? Eden doesn't

have to list that starch, sugar, or maltodextrin, on their label because

THEY didn't add it -- but there can be enough there to feed the bad

bacteria in your guts and keep you folks sick.

>> 2)I live in a small town in AK and there is no DCCC to be had.

I've come across a couple of recipes where it suggests substituting

dripped yogurt cheese. Does that work in most recipes? <<

Works just dandy -- I couldn't find DCCC for the first four years I was

on the diet. I still have to buy in quantity and keep it in the freezer.

Folks in the UK still can't get DCCC and use yogurt cheese.

>> 3) I'm confused about citric acid. The legal/illegal list from

the site says its okay but other places I've read that most citric acid

in the US is manufactured from corn and I read the reply somewhere to

someone's post that made it sound like it was not recommended. Any

thoughts? <<

Citric acid is technically legal. However, some extremely sensitive

individuals find that they do not tolerate corn derivatives. A friend of

mine said she could never take Vitamin C. I mentioned that much Vitamin C

in North America is derived from corn. When she found a non-corn derived

Vitamin C, she could handle it. The situation is the same for

citric acid. I don't seem to be sensitive to it, per se, but if I have a

choice between canned tomatoes with citric acid and other additives, I'll

chose fresh tomatoes and add a spritz of lemon or lime juice to

it.

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM,

wrote:

>

> 1)If there are no " illegal " ingredients listed on canned tomatoes,

> the Eden Organic brand (Organic Roma Tomatoes, Organic Roasted

> Minced Onion, Organic Roasted Minced Garlic) is this safe OR is

> there something about the canning process that makes it illegal.

It's my understanding that Muir Glen tomatoes are legal.

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Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

[Guest guest]

At 07:48 PM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

It's my understanding that Muir

Glen tomatoes are legal.

Muir Glen tomatoes were never declared legal by Elaine, although some

people choose to use them. I tried them and reacted to them.

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

wrote:

>

> Muir Glen tomatoes were never declared legal by Elaine

Understood.

> although some people choose to use them.

According to a reliable source who contacted the company there are no

illegal ingredients. IIRC the ingredients are tomatoes, tomato juice,

sea salt, citric acid and calcium chloride. Of course YMMV :-)

> I tried them and reacted to them.

Have you tried other canned tomatoes successfully?

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Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

[Guest guest]

At 11:15 PM 2/15/2009, you wrote:

Have you tried other canned

tomatoes successfully?

Tomato juice, per BTVC. After the Muir Glen experience, I didn't want to

go there again, although I suppose I ought to consider giving it a test.

I can't argue with the convenience of canned tomatoes. I just worry about

people not getting the healing they need because of the short cut they're

attempting.

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

> wrote:

>>

>> Muir Glen tomatoes were never declared legal by Elaine

>

> Understood.

>

>> although some people choose to use them.

>

> According to a reliable source who contacted the company there are no

> illegal ingredients. IIRC the ingredients are tomatoes, tomato juice,

> sea salt, citric acid and calcium chloride. Of course YMMV :-)

As I understand it, only use the whole plain tomatoes.

Not the chopped ones.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I recently happened to be reading about freezing tomatoes. While not

as simple as buying a can, once done and on the freezer, they are

convenient!

It's pretty straight forward, peel, squeeze out excess liquid and

seeds, freeze.

here are the links I may or may not have saved correctly, though you

could readily 'google' the question. [ it lookslike they picked up

some 'chatter', some additional digits in the 'save' process.]

Tomato%20garden%20puree%20sauce%20Building%20Blocks%20Chapter

How%20to%20freeze%20tomatoes%20from%20your%20garden%20-%20easy%20and%

20illustrated!

best,

ruth

[Guest guest]

I personally called the company ( Muir Glen) and spoke with a woman in the nutrition department who didn't have all my answers and promised to get them. 2 months later she called me and apologized for the delay, but said she had researched thoroughly for me and there are no sugars added at any time during the manufacturing. This is ONLY for the whole tomatoes. The calcium chloride is derived naturally by drying out ingredients, rather than adding chemically made CaCl in and it is to allow a saltier taste without adding in Sodium, as well as acting as a preservative.

I think it is idiosyncratic, as I have more problems with fresh tomatoes that the canned Muir Glen. Other people have posted that Pomi or Parmelat tomatoes from Italy are legal--I have not been able to find them any where. The Italian tomatoes I find at Whole Foods are all illegal.

Additionally, as far as freezing tomatoes go--in our family, we have always frozen our fresh garden tomatoes by placing them on a cookie sheet ( whole) in the freezer. Once frozen, they are put in a freezer bag or container. When needed, we run them quickly under hot water and they peel immediately-ready for use. I imagine you could do that after the initial freezing on the tray, and then package them peeled to make it even more convenient.

Terry

Re: Question about canned tomatoes, DCCC, & citric acid

> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm> <LouisianaSCDLagniappegmail> wrote:>>>> Muir Glen tomatoes were never declared legal by Elaine>> Understood.>>> although some people choose to use them.>> According to a reliable source who contacted the company there are no> illegal ingredients. IIRC the ingredients are tomatoes, tomato juice,> sea salt, citric acid and calcium chloride. Of course YMMV :-)As I understand it, only use the whole plain tomatoes.Not the chopped ones.Mara

[Guest guest]

>

> As I understand it, only use the whole plain tomatoes.

> Not the chopped ones.

In addition to whatever the ingredients might be there's another

reason to use whole tomatoes. Whole tomatoes are the " select " ones,

meaning they're the ones that make it from the fields to the

processing operation intact. They were whole on the vine, weren't

dropped or damaged, etc.

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Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

[Guest guest]

Terry,

When you say you have more trouble with fresh tomatoes than with canned,

are you speaking of fresh raw tomatoes vs canned and cooked?

It's nice to know the Muir Glens have been checked out again -- Do you

have a letter you could send me a scan of?

>> Additionally, as far as freezing tomatoes go--in our family, we

have always frozen our fresh garden tomatoes by placing them on a cookie

sheet ( whole) in the freezer. Once frozen, they are put in a freezer bag

or container. When needed, we run them quickly under hot water and they

peel immediately-ready for use. I imagine you could do that after the

initial freezing on the tray, and then package them peeled to make it

even more convenient. <<

That's a good thought. I have always done the boiling water / cold water

/ peel method for tomatoes. Did you core the tomatoes before

freezing?

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Yes, it's weird--I can eat fresh tomatoes, but when I cook fresh tomatoes down, they give me trouble. The Muir Glen canned tomatoes do not bother me. Of course, I don't eat the canned tomatoes all that often. I use tomato juice for cooking purposes--also fine with that.

I do not have a letter from Muir Glen, I can try to get one. The woman I spoke to called me out of the blue 2 months later at work and caught me off guard--I didn't even think to ask for a letter, I was just grateful that she remembered and had looked into it for me.

I don't core the tomatoes before freezing, and now thinking about it, I probably wouldn't peel them after the initial freeze on the trays. The point is to freeze them whole so they don't stick together and you can pull out how ever many you need for your recipe/dish. If they were to be cored or peeled, they might stick together. They peel so easily right out of the freezer under the hot water--it's no work at all and I am all about reducing my work in the kitchen! I do the same thing with berries. We pick a tremendous amount of blackberries every summer and I spread them out on the cookie sheet, freeze them, and then pour the frozen berries into a freezer bag. Then they can be poured into measuring cups without sticking together.

Terry

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[Guest guest]

Terry,

I have to discriminate on my fresh tomatoes... I can do Romas or large

tomatoes, but cherry tomatoes and I don't get along. I think it may be

the ratio of skin to meat in the cherry tomatoes. For making sauce, in

which the tomatoes are cooked down, I have to peel them first. Fruit or

vegetable skin, as you know, is fairly high in pectin and other

" stuff " which people past the beginning of the diet can usually

handle if it isn't concentrated.

You're basically treating the tomatoes the way I do blueberries or

cranberries, so I can see why you would not peel or core them after

freezing and before bagging. That's really a neat way to handle the darn

things, because sometimes I have too many tomatoes to get to right

away.

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

I think you are right about the cherry tomatoes because they are the ones I throw into any dish I am making because they're easy and they cook down really quick. So I'll have to try the Romas and see how I do.

It's amazing that you wait all summer for the tomatoes to come in and then they come so fast and furious you don't know what to do. Freezing them on the trays just makes life a little easier.

Terry

Re: Question about canned tomatoes, DCCC, & citric acid

Terry,I have to discriminate on my fresh tomatoes... I can do Romas or large tomatoes, but cherry tomatoes and I don't get along. I think it may be the ratio of skin to meat in the cherry tomatoes. For making sauce, in which the tomatoes are cooked down, I have to peel them first. Fruit or vegetable skin, as you know, is fairly high in pectin and other "stuff" which people past the beginning of the diet can usually handle if it isn't concentrated.You're basically treating the tomatoes the way I do blueberries or cranberries, so I can see why you would not peel or core them after freezing and before bagging. That's really a neat way to handle the darn things, because sometimes I have too many tomatoes to get to right away.

- Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Terry,

I hope for your sake that the Roma/cherry bit is the solution for using

fresh tomatoes!

We have two tomato seasons here -- heirloom, which is about now, before

it gets too hot for them, and Creole, which were bred to take the

Louisiana heat.

My problem with freezing is not enough freezer space. And I'm afraid to

get another freezer because of Katrina. One of these days, I'll have to

learn to actually can things. Then I won't have to worry about the power

going out. Either that, or I need a house that's completely

self-sufficient and off the grid!

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

TWO seasons of tomatoes???? I'm jealous.

Terry

Re: Question about canned tomatoes, DCCC, & citric acid

Terry,I hope for your sake that the Roma/cherry bit is the solution for using fresh tomatoes!We have two tomato seasons here -- heirloom, which is about now, before it gets too hot for them, and Creole, which were bred to take the Louisiana heat.My problem with freezing is not enough freezer space. And I'm afraid to get another freezer because of Katrina. One of these days, I'll have to learn to actually can things. Then I won't have to worry about the power going out. Either that, or I need a house that's completely self-sufficient and off the grid!

- Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:18 PM 2/18/2009, you wrote:

TWO seasons of tomatoes???? I'm

jealous.

Hey, we're also in the middle of strawberry season right now,

too....

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Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

lol...ouch!! I still have 2 ft of snow on my garden bed!! I'm thinkin of renting a blowtorch to get rid of it ! lol