Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 > Has anyone had greater success w/ remission/control of symptoms by > following a low carb version of SCD. Yeah, sometimes it's necessary for yeast control or to do a low fructose version. > I know Elaine was adamit that > SCD was not meant or intended to be a low carb diet? Just a question > b/c in the book " Life with out Bread, " a Dr. in Austria had great > success with attaining and maintaining remission in Crohn's patients > by retricting their carbohydrate intake? > > Most important question: > > Am I to understand that no one on SCD ever has any gas, gurgling in > the stomach, or just plain " D " from time to time? I am confused b/c > these things are normal for anyone to have once in a > while....regardless of what they are eating > . I.E. Broccoli causes > most anyone to have gas? Not really on that latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 > > b/c in the book " Life with out Bread, " a Dr. in Austria had great > > success with attaining and maintaining remission in Crohn's patients > > by retricting their carbohydrate intake? Would you recommend this for someone like me, underweight, trying to gain but also wanting to control CD? > > Most important question: > > Am I to understand that no one on SCD ever has any gas, gurgling in > > the stomach, or just plain " D " from time to time? I am confused b/c > > these things are normal for anyone to have once in a > > while....regardless of what they are eating > > > > > . I.E. Broccoli causes > > most anyone to have gas? > > Not really on that latter. I'm sorry I don't understand....Is that a " YES " everyone has these issues from time to time or " NO " SCDer's should not. For exapme I had broccoli two days ago and I had gas yesterday. No pain or unusual " D " , just gas. Does this mean I should cut out brocccoli for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 > Am I to understand that no one on SCD ever has any gas, gurgling in > the stomach, or just plain " D " from time to time? I am confused b/c > these things are normal for anyone to have once in a > while....regardless of what they are eating. I.E. Broccoli causes > most anyone to have gas? > I get a fair amount of gurgling after I eat, but it's just the food moving through the intestines. To me, gurgling is a happy sound because it means nothing is being blocked. I don't get D or have much gas though. I could be wrong, but I thought excessive gas was the result of your food not digesting correctly, and then the bad bacteria and yeast feed on it and release gases? Can anyone verify that? Also, do you cook your broccoli really well? I've only been on the diet for 2 months, so I don't eat anything raw except avocados and bananas. My favorite food right now is cooked peaches. Yum! I was really hungry for the first week or two on the diet, and then it tapered off. You won't feel like your starving for too much longer. Just eat several mini-meals throughout the day. Scrambled eggs with cheese were what helped me a lot. Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 > > I get a fair amount of gurgling after I eat, but it's just the food > moving through the intestines. To me, gurgling is a happy sound > because it means nothing is being blocked. I don't get D or have much > gas though. > > I could be wrong, but I thought excessive gas was the result of your > food not digesting correctly, and then the bad bacteria and yeast feed > on it and release gases? Can anyone verify that? Also, do you cook > your broccoli really well? I've only been on the diet for 2 months, so Oh yeah!! Gas wasn't excessive just there. > I don't eat anything raw except avocados and bananas. My favorite food > right now is cooked peaches. Yum! Banannas and avo are my only raws too. > > I was really hungry for the first week or two on the diet, and then it > tapered off. You won't feel like your starving for too much longer. > Just eat several mini-meals throughout the day. Scrambled eggs with > cheese were what helped me a lot. I am. The hunger has tapered. I eat a lot just still losing weight. > > Holly > Crohn's > SCD 12/01/08 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think I already posted to you about how many calories a day you have to shovel in if you are going to gain weight. You also have to do some healing in order to absorb those calories. Are you keeping a food diary of everything you eat, and analyzing it to see if you are getting the calories you need per day? I have not read " Life Without Bread, " though I probably ought to. My question is -- did he restrict the total amounts of carbs, or the types of carbs? I suspect if he restricted the total amount of carbs, he would end up restricting a lot of the carbs we eliminate, and as a consequence, might see some healing. Although gas can indicate non-digestion, everyone, even Normies get gas from time to time. Broccoli doesn't necessarily disagree with everyone. One of my early recipes which worked real well for me is a beef and broccoli pie. When I posted it to the list, lots of people said, " Oooh, looks yummy... but I can't do broccoli. However, I was just fine with broccoli, but couldn't go near carrots for months. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have to choose SCD-legal foods that are low in carbohydrates simply because my digestion can't cope with anything else. And I had to deal with a systemic candida overgrowth back when I started SCD as well. So I guess you could say I'm on a low-carb version of SCD. I think of it more as sticking to foods that my digestion tolerates with minimal side-effects. I have functional digestive disorders, so managing my symptoms, not remission, is my goal. But it makes perfect sense to me that all of us tolerate certain foods better than others. Gas is a function of fermentation; it's a by-product of bacterial and other microorganism activity. It's common for everyone to occasionally experience gas to some degree. But it is a sign that the digestion is unable to break down a particular food. It's also normal for everyone to hear gurglings and feel twinges of pain throughout the intestinal tract. This is caused by peristalsis. Getting D or C from time to time is also common. It's just a matter of degree before worrying about these symptoms -- or the severity or length of time the symptoms persists. It is common sense to avoid those foods that cause excessive gas or excessive D or C for a while, to give our bodies time to heal, to restore our gut ecology. So, if you realize that one particular permitted food causes symptoms, then you should either limit the amount or frequency of that food or avoid it completely for a while. Sometimes we need to avoid the food forever, once our digestions are compromised. For example broccoli doesn't give me gas, as long as I don't have it every day, but cauliflower, which is in the same family, gives me major symptoms within 30 minutes of eating a bit. Before I started SCD any starch or grain gave me severe symptoms, and that hasn't changed so I don't eat them even after 5 years on SCD. I can't touch any of the high-carb permitted foods, such as winter squash or legumes, but after 3 years on SCD did begin to tolerate a bit of cooked carrot or beets once a week without major problems. So, yes I've had major success by sticking to the low and medium-carb permitted foods. And yes I do get symptoms with every meal, but I've learned to pay attention to my body's signals so I don't eat those things that cause major reactions, or I don't eat them very often. In my case, supplements cause just as many problems as foods and drinks, so I pay attention to my body's reactions all the time. I don't worry about symptoms unless they persist for days, or are severe. Kim M. SCD 5 years >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone had greater success w/ remission/control of symptoms byfollowing a low carb version of SCD. I know Elaine was adamit thatSCD was not meant or intended to be a low carb diet? Just a questionb/c in the book "Life with out Bread," a Dr. in Austria had greatsuccess with attaining and maintaining remission in Crohn's patientsby retricting their carbohydrate intake? Most important question: Am I to understand that no one on SCD ever has any gas, gurgling inthe stomach, or just plain "D" from time to time? I am confused b/cthese things are normal for anyone to have once in awhile....regardless of what they are eating. I.E. Broccoli causesmost anyone to have gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hi all...just jumping in on "Life Without Bread". I have read the book. It's by two doctors from Austria, translated to English from German, published in 2000. It's a very interesting read; the first sentence of the book states, "Contrary to current popular wisdom, it is carbohydrates, not fat, that contribute to many dietary related diseases." The doctors address IBD as well as other maladies. To answer your question Marilyn, Dr. Lutz restricts total number of carbs eaten each day, not the types of carbs. Their plan allows 72 BU (bread units) of carbs per day, which I believe is just another way of measuring grams of carbs. This is obviously extremely low, but he cites the years of success using this "diet" in his practice and other studies to prove his claim. He also makes a very strong case that our ancestors--early humans--were eating a diet low in carbs, high in protein, and that is the way we were designed to eat. So this diet essentially says go ahead and eat that piece of cake today, but those are the ONLY carbs you can have for the entire day--make sure you do not go over 72 BU! I remember back in the '90s when Dr. Atkin's book was re-introduced, reading a section in his book devoted to IBD--specifically Crohn's disease. I barely knew what it was then, but ironically the information stuck with me (highly unusual! lol!). Atkins maintained his low carb diet was successful in treating Crohn's. For me personally, I would find restricting carbs to this extent (in LWB) to be far more difficult than following the SCD--for what it's worth. > I have not read "Life Without Bread," though I > probably ought to. My question is -- did he > restrict the total amounts of carbs, or the types of carbs?> > I suspect if he restricted the total amount of > carbs, he would end up restricting a lot of the > carbs we eliminate, and as a consequence, might see some healing.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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