Re: Digestion and statins and warfarin question posed second time + valsalva

[Guest guest]

I've been religious about taking my Lipitor with Coumadin and Ambien at

night.The rigorous routine I've found that works for me is to lay out my meds

every am on rising--Nadolol, Synthroid and Verapamil for the morning with the

above trio set aside for the evening. If I don't do this religiously I find I

get really screwed up--did I take the pink one or the white or blue or not?? If

it's not there and I methodically laid them out at the break of day then I did

take it (or the cat got it).

Lil, you have introduced yet another wrinkle---is it an error to take the

lipitor and coumadin together?? My legs seem to have been getting progressively

weaker and achier since last July and I've reached the point where I'm trying to

connect dots related to meds.. have decided to back off on the statin to see if

there is some sort of muscular interaction. Also I've been bulking up on my

torso ever since being diagnosed and treated for AF in '97...I've wondered if

the meds are contributing to that??

Sorry you are feeling so lousy---who knows how we'd feel if we could cut our

meds in half. What a crap shoot. I'm convinced the docs over-medicate us....

Puzzled, Shelby

Digestion and statins and warfarin question posed

second time + valsalva

Since this last week was such a difficult one, stomach wise mostly...I have

been taking a second look at my pills. I am convinced that when my stomach is

lousy my heart is lousy. They are lying on top of one another and I think

they are in cahoots.

Learned that statins are not supposed to be taken with digoxin or coumadin!

LOL! I wonder how many of us do that anyway - I put the question out but NO

ANSWERS SO FAR...still wondering...**any statin takers out there on

warfarin/coumadin/digoxin or any of the above? If so would like to hear your

thoughts,

your doctor's comments etc.**

So, I moved my Zocor (statin) to nighttime. I take it before bed with a FULL

glass of water as it SAYS to do (when all else fails follow the directions!!)

I have also for 2 days backed off my digoxin. I take 2 propranolols

(Inderal) 20 mg each and waiting to see if they keep things relatively

bearable (this

does NOT mean I do not have palps or flip flops on occasion because I do and

they are not fun)

[Guest guest]

shelby,

I am on Cumadin since the end of June, when I got out of the hosp. I take

mine in the evening between 5-7 with my crestor and zebeta. In the morning I

take synthroid and the xbeta. I never heard any thing about taking my crestor

separate from cumadin. I used to take them at bed time, but then when I went

for my blood work up the nurse said why do you wait so long. so I switched to

evening. and yes I get like an indigestion, some times my food feels like its

cumming up. let me no what happens. Fran

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[Guest guest]

> I've been religious about taking my Lipitor with Coumadin and

Ambien at night.The rigorous routine I've found that works for me is

to lay out my meds every am on rising--Nadolol, Synthroid and

Verapamil for the morning with the above trio set aside for the

evening. If I don't do this religiously I find I get really screwed

up--did I take the pink one or the white or blue or not?? If it's

not there and I methodically laid them out at the break of day then

I did take it (or the cat got it).

I use one of those AM/Mid Day/PM pill boxes available at any

pharmacy and fill up a week's worth at a time then simply look at

the little box due for that period to see if I've done it or not.

Works well and is quite efficient.

> Lil, you have introduced yet another wrinkle---is it an error to

take the lipitor and coumadin together?? My legs seem to have been

getting progressively weaker and achier since last July and I've

reached the point where I'm trying to connect dots related to meds..

have decided to back off on the statin to see if there is some sort

of muscular interaction.>

I take Mevacor or Zocor or Lipitor; whichever the VA happens to be

dispensing at the time I need a refill along with Coumadin in the

evening with no problem so far. If you look up the side effects of

Lipitor muscle aches are pretty high on the list and I'd suggest

asking your doc to switch to another statin.

Why do you take digioxin? Obviously because your doc suggests it

but there sure is a lot of inputs on this and other Boards that it

is no longer recommended.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

I'm taking Digixon in a very small dose - I think it helps me. I know they

all have down-sides and good-sides. I've been taking it for about a month

and so far so good.

Debbie in Texas

>

>Reply-To: AFIBsupport

>To: AFIBsupport

>Subject: Re: Digestion and statins and warfarin question

>posed second time + valsalva

>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:22:56 -0000

>

>

> > I've been religious about taking my Lipitor with Coumadin and

>Ambien at night.The rigorous routine I've found that works for me is

>to lay out my meds every am on rising--Nadolol, Synthroid and

>Verapamil for the morning with the above trio set aside for the

>evening. If I don't do this religiously I find I get really screwed

>up--did I take the pink one or the white or blue or not?? If it's

>not there and I methodically laid them out at the break of day then

>I did take it (or the cat got it).

>

>I use one of those AM/Mid Day/PM pill boxes available at any

>pharmacy and fill up a week's worth at a time then simply look at

>the little box due for that period to see if I've done it or not.

>Works well and is quite efficient.

>

> > Lil, you have introduced yet another wrinkle---is it an error to

>take the lipitor and coumadin together?? My legs seem to have been

>getting progressively weaker and achier since last July and I've

>reached the point where I'm trying to connect dots related to meds..

>have decided to back off on the statin to see if there is some sort

>of muscular interaction.>

>

>I take Mevacor or Zocor or Lipitor; whichever the VA happens to be

>dispensing at the time I need a refill along with Coumadin in the

>evening with no problem so far. If you look up the side effects of

>Lipitor muscle aches are pretty high on the list and I'd suggest

>asking your doc to switch to another statin.

>

>Why do you take digioxin? Obviously because your doc suggests it

>but there sure is a lot of inputs on this and other Boards that it

>is no longer recommended.

>

>Gordon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm taking Digixon in a very small dose - I think it helps me. I

know they

> all have down-sides and good-sides. I've been taking it for about a

month

> and so far so good.

I believe it is no longer recommended for Lone Afib. It may well be

the way to go for other types of fib or other heart issues.

Gordon

[Guest guest]

I believe it is no longer recommended for Lone Afib. It may well be

the way to go for other types of fib or other heart issues.

---------------------

Gordon, do you know why it's no longer recommended for a-fib? Dr. Natale said I

should continue on it since I can't take any of the other meds, and to try to

keep my rate under 100 when I do go into a-fib, which is successful sometimes

and not others. Appreciate your input, especially since I'm on day 4 of this

current attack, only 5 days out from the last 8-day attack, so I'm getting

pretty concerned about the progression at this point. Since I have no ablation

options and guess I just have to live with it, input from others, especially

about the only med I can take, is critical to me. Thanks.

Toni

CA

[Guest guest]

Shelby, we've had similar reactions to our meds.

I was taking Lipitor and Coumidin for several years before I started

getting the same symtoms of leg aches and feeling as thought they

weighed a ton everytime I went up the stairs. The doctor changed

the Lipitor to Provocal and the aches went away. Each statin can

effect your body differently and time on the particular statin can

also have an effect. There are so many statins out there that one

can be replaced with another rather than to go off it. So, it

probably is not the combination, but the particular statin.

As far as weight, I was always able to eat everything and whatever

quanties I wanted and not gain a pound. Since AFib, I can look at

food and gain weight around the middle. Age and some hormonal

changes may come into play, but I think that the meds - Fecinaide

and Atenolol have slowed down my metabaolism. Its very hard to take

off my extra pounds and to keep them off.

I would rather my heart and metabolism slow down and chunk on the

pounds, than to have my metabolism speed up, slim down and be in

AFIB.

I'm grateful that these medications exist and my doctor has quessed

right so far.

Diane in CT

> I've been religious about taking my Lipitor with Coumadin and

Ambien at night.The rigorous routine I've found that works for me is

to lay out my meds every am on rising--Nadolol, Synthroid and

Verapamil for the morning with the above trio set aside for the

evening. If I don't do this religiously I find I get really screwed

up--did I take the pink one or the white or blue or not?? If it's

not there and I methodically laid them out at the break of day then

I did take it (or the cat got it).

> Lil, you have introduced yet another wrinkle---is it an error to

take the lipitor and coumadin together?? My legs seem to have been

getting progressively weaker and achier since last July and I've

reached the point where I'm trying to connect dots related to meds..

have decided to back off on the statin to see if there is some sort

of muscular interaction. Also I've been bulking up on my torso ever

since being diagnosed and treated for AF in '97...I've wondered if

the meds are contributing to that??

> Sorry you are feeling so lousy---who knows how we'd feel if we

could cut our meds in half. What a crap shoot. I'm convinced the

docs over-medicate us....

> Puzzled, Shelby

> Digestion and statins and warfarin

question posed second time + valsalva

>

>

> Since this last week was such a difficult one, stomach wise

mostly...I have

> been taking a second look at my pills. I am convinced that when

my stomach is

> lousy my heart is lousy. They are lying on top of one another

and I think

> they are in cahoots.

> Learned that statins are not supposed to be taken with digoxin

or coumadin!

> LOL! I wonder how many of us do that anyway - I put the question

out but NO

> ANSWERS SO FAR...still wondering...**any statin takers out there

on

> warfarin/coumadin/digoxin or any of the above? If so would like

to hear your thoughts,

> your doctor's comments etc.**

> So, I moved my Zocor (statin) to nighttime. I take it before bed

with a FULL

> glass of water as it SAYS to do (when all else fails follow the

directions!!)

> I have also for 2 days backed off my digoxin. I take 2

propranolols

> (Inderal) 20 mg each and waiting to see if they keep things

relatively bearable (this

> does NOT mean I do not have palps or flip flops on occasion

because I do and

> they are not fun)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the insight Diane. Your symptoms and mine mesh entirely. New Statin

here I come. Do you think the cat should get a whirl on it first? Hmmm...I love

Manhattan and Statin Island too.

Shelby

Digestion and statins and warfarin

question posed second time + valsalva

>

>

> Since this last week was such a difficult one, stomach wise

mostly...I have

> been taking a second look at my pills. I am convinced that when

my stomach is

> lousy my heart is lousy. They are lying on top of one another

and I think

> they are in cahoots.

> Learned that statins are not supposed to be taken with digoxin

or coumadin!

> LOL! I wonder how many of us do that anyway - I put the question

out but NO

> ANSWERS SO FAR...still wondering...**any statin takers out there

on

> warfarin/coumadin/digoxin or any of the above? If so would like

to hear your thoughts,

> your doctor's comments etc.**

> So, I moved my Zocor (statin) to nighttime. I take it before bed

with a FULL

> glass of water as it SAYS to do (when all else fails follow the

directions!!)

> I have also for 2 days backed off my digoxin. I take 2

propranolols

> (Inderal) 20 mg each and waiting to see if they keep things

relatively bearable (this

> does NOT mean I do not have palps or flip flops on occasion

because I do and

> they are not fun)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I believe it is no longer recommended for Lone Afib. It may well

be

> the way to go for other types of fib or other heart issues.

>

> ---------------------

> Gordon, do you know why it's no longer recommended for a-fib? Dr.

Natale said I should continue on it since I can't take any of the

other meds, and to try to keep my rate under 100 when I do go into a-

fib, which is successful sometimes and not others. Appreciate your

input, especially since I'm on day 4 of this current attack, only 5

days out from the last 8-day attack, so I'm getting pretty concerned

about the progression at this point. Since I have no ablation

options and guess I just have to live with it, input from others,

especially about the only med I can take, is critical to me. Thanks.

Toni: I got my information from Hans Larsen's book on Lone Afib

where he says that it could make Vagal Afib worse and is of no help

for other Lone Afib conditions.

I'd certainly follow what Dr. Natale says, however. If you can't

tke other medication I guess you take what you can live with and

hope the good outweighs the bad.

Gordon