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here did you get access to this record> This is intriguing.

On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:11 PM, wiccantwinpaths wrote:

>

> I was reading the hospital discharge records for one of Dr Browns

> patients () and I noticed that his discharge notes do not in

> anyway have anything in common with the protocl that is said to Dr

> Browns.

>

> Apparently Dr Brown saw him about every six months for IV antibiotic

> treatment. In addition to the Nsaids and opiates used I was checking

> out the Antibiotics. Oh yeah, and once Dr Brown even used an

> antihistimine/decongestant as a NSAID.

>

> 07/10/78

>

> Minocin 100mg (appears to mean 50mg bid)

> Amoxicillin 250mg every other night at bedtime

>

> 01/15/79

>

> Sumycin 500mg and Ampicillian 2(probably 250mg) Both MWF at bedtime

>

> 07/05/79

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 01/07/80

> Minocin 50mg bid

>

> 07/08/80

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 06/01/81

> No discharge statement at all

>

> 06/29/82

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> 07/05/84

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> I thought this was pretty interesting as it's nothing like the

> protocols. Would love to see other records.

>

>

>

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Wiccan,

Ethel has extensive knowledge of Dr. Brown's protocol. I believe she was a

patient of his. Perhaps she will address your questions. The web site at

www.rheumatic.org is a compilation of Dr. Brown's protocol. Have you

studied it? I believe Dr. Brown used tetracycline because that was the drug

that was available when he started to use antibiotics for rheumatic

diseases. Also, it's not one size fits all. We have to find what works for

us. There are many facets to consider. That's why a knowledgeable AP doctor

can be of great help. Some of us can do it on our own, especially if we do

respond well to the protocol right off. It gets trickier in more

complicated cases. Then you want someone with experience, not play with a

partial deck.

Yes, some of use Benedryl to help with symptom control for periods of time.

Take care,

Ute

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I don't have much time this morning for a lengthy email, but will jot down a few

random thoughts for you .

Dr. Brown's protocol is unlike any other protocol your physician, use to

prescribing conventional treatments, has probably ever used.

Treatment is normally pulsed. We are all unique individuals consisting not

only of our own genetic background, but, according to the microbiologists that

worked for Dr. Brown, there is a residue within each of us of everything that

has happened to us in the past - bacterial, viral, fungal infections, etc. -

necessitating in many cases that the protocol be tailored specifically for you.

Also, the length of time we have had disease and it's severity must be taken

into consideration when putting together a protocol - realizing that protocol

may need to be changed as treatment progresses. There are so many variables

which is one of the reasons 's treatment was posted. Because the

protocol for each patient changed from time to time, and because these patients

often suffered from 'brain fog', Dr. Brown always recorded his conversations

with them and then gave them the tape. I've listened to some of those tapes and

their is a wealth of information on them. You need to keep in mind most of his

patients were from out of town - coming to him after failing all conventional

therapies. (Dr. Whitman's grandmother was one of them.) Dr. Brown treated most

of them in a hospital setting - usually every 6 months to a year as they could

afford.

So, what works for you may not work for someone else. One size does NOT fit

all! Some people in this group have done very well just using the basic

protocol, but for others it's been a fight to find what works - which was the

original intent of this group.

Sometimes people do very well on the protocol and then all of a sudden seem to

plateau. Dr. Lida Mattman, author of the textbook on stealth pathogens, told us

there are times when these organisms overlay each other - requiring a different

antibiotic to get rid of it, and then progress with the original antibiotic

would be experienced again. Then too, there may be other conditions in the body

that need to be dealt with simultaneously for optimum benefit of this therapy.

(Read the FAQ.) Think too of the people who have been mis-diagnosed being

treated for a rheumatic disease when they actually had Lyme Disease - so very

difficult to get rid of. We've also had patients being treated for a rheumatic

disease being diagnosed with cancer or they were diagnosed with cancer first and

then a rheumatic disease. Is the same organism(s) causing both diseases?

As I write this various patients presenting considerable challenges come to

mind. One was a lady with long standing, severe RA who was in this group when

it first started. She had hip and knee replacements at the famed National

Orthopedic Hospital in Arlington where Dr. Brown practiced. She had been on the

protocol for nearly five years with no results, and then all of a sudden she

found herself in remission. What a happy lady! For Loftis, a

scleroderma patient of Dr. Brown's, it took 7 years. She is still alive.

Then there is Joan who had suffered for years with a mix of lupus, scleroderma

and Sjogren's that led to other serious problems. The side effects from the

high doses of prednisone (60 to 120 mg daily) she was placed on for so many

years took a terrible toll, making her a semi-invalid. It took several years of

antibiotic therapy (IV and oral) and due diligence on her part, but she was able

to stop the progression of the disease AND get off the prednisone. I wish I had

time to tell the whole story. She was a major casualty of a medical system that

refused to recognize the infectious cause of these diseases - first discovered

in 1939. And who remembers 's life and death battle? She was blessed

to find a physician that thought 'out of the box' and now is working in the

medical profession to get this story out. Then there is in the group.

What a battle she has fought! It certainly has not been 100 mg. of Minocin

three times a week for her, but she has been one willing to do the basics others

refuse to do. She's alive, but the battle to stay well will go on for the rest

of her life.

When Dr. Brown, then well past retirement age, took sick himself, one of his

patients realized he was going to die and there was nothing in print about the

therapy which is how the first book came to be written with Henry Scammell -

" The Road Back - Rheumatoid Arthritis - It's Cause and Its Treatment " .

Recognizing the likely fire storm the book would create in the medical

profession, the emphasis of the book was on treating rheumatoid arthritis, as

the medical profession would never believe the same treatment worked for other

inflammatory rheumatic diseases as well. The program 20/20 introduced the book

in a negative manner but many patients and physicians had their eyes opened to

the infectious cause of these diseases. Dr. ph Mercola was one of them and

he along with Dr. Franco and Dr. Millicent Coker-Vann were of great help

back then in starting the Road Back Foundation - which I resigned from when

helped me make the protocol available on the net. (RBF eventually made

the protocol and all of their publications available on the net.) They

contributed immensely in helping me put together the first protocol ever

published on this therapy. My how much more we've learned since then.

When Drs. Brown and Albert Sabin first discovered the infectious cause of these

diseases, Minocin and Vibramycin were not available so tetracycline was the drug

of choice. As they became available he incorporated them into the protocol -

varying them as necessary, but still using tetracycline from time to time. The

basic protocol that worked for most people was 100 mg. of Minocin or maybe

doxycycline three times a week - starting with IV lincocin or clindamycin for

severe and/or long standing disease - and always for systemic scleroderma.

Sometimes he had patients taking one tetracycline drug in the AM and another one

in the PM three times a week, sometimes 5 days a week. Nizoral or Nystatin was

most often prescribed along with the tetracycline drug to deal with the fungal

component of these diseases. Today other anti-fungals are prescribed such as

Diflucan.

There are things people with disease can do to hasten their recovery, as doctors

like , D..O., Pieter deWet, M.D., and ph Mercola, DO, to name a

few, have discovered, and some of them have been eluded to briefly in the FAQ,

as well as offered from time to time in the group, but few people seem

interested.

'Nuff for now.

Ethel

rheumatic Dr Brown Protocol

>

> I was reading the hospital discharge records for one of Dr Browns

> patients () and I noticed that his discharge notes do not in

> anyway have anything in common with the protocl that is said to Dr

> Browns.

>

> Apparently Dr Brown saw him about every six months for IV antibiotic

> treatment. In addition to the Nsaids and opiates used I was checking

> out the Antibiotics. Oh yeah, and once Dr Brown even used an

> antihistimine/decongestant as a NSAID.

>

> 07/10/78

>

> Minocin 100mg (appears to mean 50mg bid)

> Amoxicillin 250mg every other night at bedtime

>

> 01/15/79

>

> Sumycin 500mg and Ampicillian 2(probably 250mg) Both MWF at bedtime

>

> 07/05/79

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 01/07/80

> Minocin 50mg bid

>

> 07/08/80

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 06/01/81

> No discharge statement at all

>

> 06/29/82

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> 07/05/84

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> I thought this was pretty interesting as it's nothing like the

> protocols. Would love to see other records.

>

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe

>

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thank you so much for this great article. I read the book but you put it so

everyone can understand the reason why we all have to take different

antibiotics.

Tank you,

Eva

Ethel Snooks <emsnooks@...> wrote:

For " wiccantwinpaths " <Shilnagig@...>

I don't have much time this morning for a lengthy email, but will jot down a few

random thoughts for you .

Dr. Brown's protocol is unlike any other protocol your physician, use to

prescribing conventional treatments, has probably ever used.

Treatment is normally pulsed. We are all unique individuals consisting not only

of our own genetic background, but, according to the microbiologists that worked

for Dr. Brown, there is a residue within each of us of everything that has

happened to us in the past - bacterial, viral, fungal infections, etc. -

necessitating in many cases that the protocol be tailored specifically for you.

Also, the length of time we have had disease and it's severity must be taken

into consideration when putting together a protocol - realizing that protocol

may need to be changed as treatment progresses. There are so many variables

which is one of the reasons 's treatment was posted. Because the

protocol for each patient changed from time to time, and because these patients

often suffered from 'brain fog', Dr. Brown always recorded his conversations

with them and then gave them the tape. I've listened to some of those tapes and

their is a wealth of information on them. You need to

keep in mind most of his patients were from out of town - coming to him after

failing all conventional therapies. (Dr. Whitman's grandmother was one of them.)

Dr. Brown treated most of them in a hospital setting - usually every 6 months to

a year as they could afford.

So, what works for you may not work for someone else. One size does NOT fit all!

Some people in this group have done very well just using the basic protocol, but

for others it's been a fight to find what works - which was the original intent

of this group.

Sometimes people do very well on the protocol and then all of a sudden seem to

plateau. Dr. Lida Mattman, author of the textbook on stealth pathogens, told us

there are times when these organisms overlay each other - requiring a different

antibiotic to get rid of it, and then progress with the original antibiotic

would be experienced again. Then too, there may be other conditions in the body

that need to be dealt with simultaneously for optimum benefit of this therapy.

(Read the FAQ.) Think too of the people who have been mis-diagnosed being

treated for a rheumatic disease when they actually had Lyme Disease - so very

difficult to get rid of. We've also had patients being treated for a rheumatic

disease being diagnosed with cancer or they were diagnosed with cancer first and

then a rheumatic disease. Is the same organism(s) causing both diseases?

As I write this various patients presenting considerable challenges come to

mind. One was a lady with long standing, severe RA who was in this group when it

first started. She had hip and knee replacements at the famed National

Orthopedic Hospital in Arlington where Dr. Brown practiced. She had been on the

protocol for nearly five years with no results, and then all of a sudden she

found herself in remission. What a happy lady! For Loftis, a

scleroderma patient of Dr. Brown's, it took 7 years. She is still alive.

Then there is Joan who had suffered for years with a mix of lupus, scleroderma

and Sjogren's that led to other serious problems. The side effects from the high

doses of prednisone (60 to 120 mg daily) she was placed on for so many years

took a terrible toll, making her a semi-invalid. It took several years of

antibiotic therapy (IV and oral) and due diligence on her part, but she was able

to stop the progression of the disease AND get off the prednisone. I wish I had

time to tell the whole story. She was a major casualty of a medical system that

refused to recognize the infectious cause of these diseases - first discovered

in 1939. And who remembers 's life and death battle? She was blessed to

find a physician that thought 'out of the box' and now is working in the medical

profession to get this story out. Then there is in the group. What a

battle she has fought! It certainly has not been 100 mg. of Minocin three times

a week for her, but she has been one

willing to do the basics others refuse to do. She's alive, but the battle to

stay well will go on for the rest of her life.

When Dr. Brown, then well past retirement age, took sick himself, one of his

patients realized he was going to die and there was nothing in print about the

therapy which is how the first book came to be written with Henry Scammell -

" The Road Back - Rheumatoid Arthritis - It's Cause and Its Treatment " .

Recognizing the likely fire storm the book would create in the medical

profession, the emphasis of the book was on treating rheumatoid arthritis, as

the medical profession would never believe the same treatment worked for other

inflammatory rheumatic diseases as well. The program 20/20 introduced the book

in a negative manner but many patients and physicians had their eyes opened to

the infectious cause of these diseases. Dr. ph Mercola was one of them and

he along with Dr. Franco and Dr. Millicent Coker-Vann were of great help

back then in starting the Road Back Foundation - which I resigned from when

helped me make the protocol available on the net. (RBF

eventually made the protocol and all of their publications available on the

net.) They contributed immensely in helping me put together the first protocol

ever published on this therapy. My how much more we've learned since then.

When Drs. Brown and Albert Sabin first discovered the infectious cause of these

diseases, Minocin and Vibramycin were not available so tetracycline was the drug

of choice. As they became available he incorporated them into the protocol -

varying them as necessary, but still using tetracycline from time to time. The

basic protocol that worked for most people was 100 mg. of Minocin or maybe

doxycycline three times a week - starting with IV lincocin or clindamycin for

severe and/or long standing disease - and always for systemic scleroderma.

Sometimes he had patients taking one tetracycline drug in the AM and another one

in the PM three times a week, sometimes 5 days a week. Nizoral or Nystatin was

most often prescribed along with the tetracycline drug to deal with the fungal

component of these diseases. Today other anti-fungals are prescribed such as

Diflucan.

There are things people with disease can do to hasten their recovery, as doctors

like , D..O., Pieter deWet, M.D., and ph Mercola, DO, to name a

few, have discovered, and some of them have been eluded to briefly in the FAQ,

as well as offered from time to time in the group, but few people seem

interested.

'Nuff for now.

Ethel

rheumatic Dr Brown Protocol

>

> I was reading the hospital discharge records for one of Dr Browns

> patients () and I noticed that his discharge notes do not in

> anyway have anything in common with the protocl that is said to Dr

> Browns.

>

> Apparently Dr Brown saw him about every six months for IV antibiotic

> treatment. In addition to the Nsaids and opiates used I was checking

> out the Antibiotics. Oh yeah, and once Dr Brown even used an

> antihistimine/decongestant as a NSAID.

>

> 07/10/78

>

> Minocin 100mg (appears to mean 50mg bid)

> Amoxicillin 250mg every other night at bedtime

>

> 01/15/79

>

> Sumycin 500mg and Ampicillian 2(probably 250mg) Both MWF at bedtime

>

> 07/05/79

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 01/07/80

> Minocin 50mg bid

>

> 07/08/80

> No antibiotics mentioned on discharge

>

> 06/01/81

> No discharge statement at all

>

> 06/29/82

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> 07/05/84

> Tetracycline 500 mg Tid MF

>

> I thought this was pretty interesting as it's nothing like the

> protocols. Would love to see other records.

>

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe

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Ethel,

You are a true treasure for this group, and the time, energy, effort and

care you put forth with your detailed information is invaluable.

Thank you!

Judy

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And thank you, Ute, for the wisdom you share with this group in so many

ways.

Ethel

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> Thank you Ethel for sharing your knowledge and experience with us,

> Take care,

> Ute

>

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Thank you both for everything!---Dolores

Ethel Snooks <emsnooks@...> wrote:

And thank you, Ute, for the wisdom you share with this group in so

many

ways.

Ethel

Re: rheumatic Dr Brown Protocol

> Thank you Ethel for sharing your knowledge and experience with us,

> Take care,

> Ute

>

>

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> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe

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