Re: I'm starting to Freak Out Here 2...Val guidance please

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Hi Val,

Sorry this is long but I'm really in a state. This is my 7th day off

thyroid meds of any kind. Was at a doc this morning cos of cramps in

my stomach and general tenderness there, I also have loose yellow

stool (sorry 4 being so graphic) he thinks I got an infection and so

prescribrd an antibiotic + antispasm meds. Took them at 12.45 and

just had a supplement replacement drink..its calmed down so

far..funny I had no stomach problem until I had the camera down my

throat in hosp a 2 weeks ago..I've a feeling that has something to do

with it too. Maybe they left somethin inside???

Anyway what I'm freaking out about is waiting to go back on Armour.

Here's my logic: when I was on deltacortril 5mg I was able to take 1

grain of Armour and get a fairly good night's sleep, wake up 'clear

headed' and do some stuff for a couple of hours without having to

think about it too much. Then I would start to feel

headachey/sick/exhausted and have to lie down for the rest of the day

basically. On a phone call with Dr. Peatfield from my hospital bed he

said step it up to 7.5mg Delta or 30mg HC, continue with 1 grain and

see how you are after a week. At that point I didn't know my doc was

about to reduce my steroid the next day and then take me off

alltogether the following day. So this threw me into tremors first

thing in the am so he put me back on less than half the steroid and

25mcg t4 am and pm for 2 days and then back to 2.5 deltacortril am

and 10mg HC during the day and 30mg Armour am and pm the day before I

left the hospital. Was bedridden in hosp for those last few days and

not sleeping. When I came out of hosp I got on this forum and

listened to the advice and stopped Armour and just took steroid. I

stress dosed HC for last Sun, Mon and Xmas day, 35, 60 or 70 (not

sure was guessing with cream) and 60mg. Yesterday I took 30mg and

today 20mg so far.

My question is with my experience on 5mg prednis with 1 grain

Armour..at this stage can I not just go for a 30mg HC dosing and

restart Armour at 15 twice a day and see what happens? Do I really

need to wait to find out when my temps are within .2 of each other?

If I get familiar toxic reaction can't I just increase HC or decrease

Armour to balance it out? It's not my major concern but adding to my

stress: I have to have TFT bloods down next Wednesday for doc

appointment on the 9th..this is bound to show big increase in TSH and

not sure how I'll explain to doc that I've taken no Armour.

desperate,

Sara

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> > 7.5 upon waking

> > 7.5 4 hrs. later

> > 7.5 4 hrs later

> > 7.5 bedtime\

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> > This explains a lot. It is your rythym that is NOT there. Flat

> dosing usually does nto owrk. I would go to

> > 10 upon waking

> > 10 four hours later

> > 5 four hours later

> > 5 at bedtime.

> > Try this for a week and see if it stops.

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[Guest guest]

Sara,m you HAVE to stop worrying about what wil lplease this idiot

doctor that could have killed you. To HECK with what he will think! Let

him think what he wants. Worse case scenario is he will give oyu more T4

crap.. You can try going back to the 7.5mg Pred o r30mg HC and the 2-1/2

grain Armour doses but you MAY have drained all your cortisol reserves,

in which case the thyroid will not help you and instead it will stress

oyour adrneals WORSE.

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[Guest guest]

Of course you are right Val but there's a smallpart of me that thinks

I mite be able to educate him..he did go along with allowing me to

increase steroid to 30mg 'if needed over xmas'. How will I know if

I've drained my cortisol reserves Val?? Is it worth the chance or how

many days do I have to spend trying to figure out what is an 'okay'

HC dose for me? personally I'd like to take at least 40mg as I did

this once about a month ago and my head felt soo clear..I felt so

normal for about 6 hours---is this automatically too much to assume I

need? Is there anything wrong with setting up a schedule for 40mg?

I've stuck to the 30mg yesterday but maybe I don't have to?

Sara

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

wrote:

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> Sara,m you HAVE to stop worrying about what wil lplease this idiot

> doctor that could have killed you. To HECK with what he will think!

Let

> him think what he wants. Worse case scenario is he will give oyu

more T4

> crap.. You can try going back to the 7.5mg Pred o r30mg HC and the

2-1/2

> grain Armour doses but you MAY have drained all your cortisol

reserves,

> in which case the thyroid will not help you and instead it will

stress

> oyour adrneals WORSE.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

40MG is almost always too much. Whta happens on high doses is your body

will create more receptors for it and oyu will have HELL getting back

off that dose an in the meanwhile you will take on the shape of a

prenant pear, wiht wastign muscles and fluid retention and possibly high

BO and high Glucose as well. Depending on how long it took you to go off

it you could become Diabetic. which would be worst case scenario and

certianly NOT worth the risk. 30MG may be enough. But if you have

drained all cortiosl reserves it may not be enough ot be able to

tolerate thyroid until you have been onit at least a week. You cannot

rebuild reserves by taking extra. It doesn;t work that way.

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[Guest guest]

Sara,

Yellow stool usually means that you are not eating enough protein, excluding

other causes.

>>>I also have loose yellow stool (sorry 4 being so graphic) he thinks I got an

infection and so prescribrd an antibiotic + antispasm meds.

[Guest guest]

My color stool changes all the time depending on what I eat. Sometimes red,

green, yellow, beige, brown, etc.

I wouldn't worry about it at this point. Look more to having good movements,

frequent (3 times daily is ideal) and well formed.

Sometimes bile and liver issues will show up in stool color. You can google

more info on that...there is a lot out there.

Cheri

Re: I'm starting to Freak Out Here 2...Val

guidance please

I'm pooping yellow everyday and I'm eating damn near nothing but

protein. I'm also taking enzymes with meals so maybe they're

responsible for me.

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> Sara,

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> Yellow stool usually means that you are not eating enough protein,

excluding other causes.

>

> Lind

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[Guest guest]

Val, thanks so much for explaining, I certainly don't want to create

more probs for myself. But since I've been on 30-70 HC since last

Friday does this mean I could be potentially ready for thyroid meds

this Saturday? Temps so far..

Fri 97.5 (5 prednis + not sure can't find notes)

Sat 97.2 (5 prednis + 10HC = 30mg cortisol)

Sun 98.06 (35HC)

Mon 98.13 (60-70HC)

Tues 97.7 (60HC)

Wed 98.2 (30HC)

Thurs (today) 97.46

HC is approx since Tues coz I switched to cream and I've been

guesstimating. And does the rhythm you dose effect the temp or just

how you feel?

Love

Sara

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

wrote:

>

> 40MG is almost always too much. Whta happens on high doses is your

body

> will create more receptors for it and oyu will have HELL getting

back

> off that dose an in the meanwhile you will take on the shape of a

> prenant pear, wiht wastign muscles and fluid retention and possibly

high

> BO and high Glucose as well. Depending on how long it took you to

go off

> it you could become Diabetic. which would be worst case scenario

and

> certianly NOT worth the risk. 30MG may be enough. But if you have

> drained all cortiosl reserves it may not be enough ot be able to

> tolerate thyroid until you have been onit at least a week. You

cannot

> rebuild reserves by taking extra. It doesn;t work that way.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>HC is approx since Tues coz I switched to cream and I've been

guesstimating. And does the rhythm you dose effect the temp or just

how you feel?<<

Sara you MUST measure the HC more accurately. You CAN shut your adrenals down

like this. You might be able to start thjyroid or you might not it is

impossibole to tell as your dosing has been so irratic. UNSTABLE HC doses may do

more harm to your adrneals as your ACTH is also riasing & lowering and cortiosl

receptors opening and cloising so your body does nto know what to expect from

one nimute ot he next.

I would suggest getting a=on a dose that is reasonanble.. 30MG NO MORE and

holding for a week and then see what your temps are doing. But you do need to

level out or nithing test wise will show consistency.

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[Guest guest]

I'm pooping yellow everyday and I'm eating damn near nothing but

protein. I'm also taking enzymes with meals so maybe they're

responsible for me.

>

> Sara,

>

> Yellow stool usually means that you are not eating enough protein,

excluding other causes.

>

> Lind

[Guest guest]

Golly, I only know that my nutritionist told me that once, and eating more

protein makes it better for me.

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From: jasrich

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:36 PM

I'm pooping yellow everyday and I'm eating damn near nothing but

protein. I'm also taking enzymes with meals so maybe they're

responsible for me.

wrote:

>

> Yellow stool usually means that you are not eating enough protein,

excluding other causes.

[Guest guest]

It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm trying hard to eat gluten free and

have been for almost a month. I'm taking enzymes to help with the

malabsorption that must be happening but my doc wants me to start

taking 3-4 doses of probiotics/day to help the intestines heal.

>

> Forgive me if this has been covered already, but could it be gluten

intolerance? I have been doing research on it and I remembered

reading something about pale stools.

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