Re: Husband's medical tests

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janie8002000 wrote:

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> Amber

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> Couldn't help being curious -- what does YRMV mean?

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> Janie

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Your Results May Vary. It's just a means of CYA (cover your donkey).

Amber

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> > But the fact is they DO reduce cardiovascular incidents

> > and mortality. The most recent peer reviewed study showed Lipitor

> > reduced the mortality of diabetics by 37%.

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> > , Charlotte NC

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> Sorry but this just proves that you and I read different

literature.

> Each person has to do what they feel is right for them.

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> Amber

Amber, I agree everyone should do what they think is right for them.

I was trying to point out that your attack on pharmaceutical

companies in general, and cholesterol lowering drugs in particular,

may not be the best advice for a " diabetes support group " .

We may read different literature --- but the literature I place my

faith in is published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Below is

the article that I mentioned, as published in Lancet.

, Charlotte NC

" Aug 25, 04 For patients with type 2 Diabetes, Lipitor reduced the

risk of heart attacks and strokes by 37%, according to an article

published in the Lancet.

The risk of both coronary heart disease and stroke are

substantially increased in patients with type 2 diabetes. Previous

studies have suggested that lipid (or fat) lowering with drugs like

Lipitor may help prevent heart and blood vessel disease in patients

with diabetes.

Between November 1997 and June 2001, researchers in the UK and

Ireland studied 2841 patients with Type 2 diabetes mellitus from 132

centers. The patients received either a placebo (sugar pill) or

Lipitor.

There were fewer serious heart and blood vessel problems (heart

attacks, heart cath procedures, bypass surgeries, strokes, or deaths)

in patients taking Lipitor than in patients taking placebo (6% vs

9%). There were also fewer deaths in the Lipitor group than the

placebo group (4% vs 6%).

The authors noted, " These data extend and strengthen the

evidence for more widespread use of statins for primary prevention in

type 2 diabetes and show that such treatment is safe. "

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> Thirty-seven percent success rate on the part of cholestrol

> lowering drugs such as Lipitor isn't that good. What happened

> to the other 63% in these studies when the authors were trying

> to form their opinion about these drugs?

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> Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

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> Kristy

Kristy - the study did not say " thirty-seven percent success rate " .

The study published in August 2004 said, " For patients with type 2

Diabetes, Lipitor reduced the risk of heart attacks and strokes by

37%, according to an article published in the Lancet " .

I have listed a longer summary in an earlier post.

, Charlotte NC

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sinusrhythm58 wrote:

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> > > But the fact is they DO reduce cardiovascular incidents

> > > and mortality. The most recent peer reviewed study showed Lipitor

> > > reduced the mortality of diabetics by 37%.

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> > > , Charlotte NC

My doctor says that studies can be manipulated to give varying results.

So what you read proves something to you and what I read proves

something different to me. No point in hashing it out.

Amber