Re: Val me again...with hives again

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" nafoel " wrote:

>

> Ok Val...after much discussion and much improvement today, I am

> breaking out all over again tonight.

Naffy, I have to ask you again. What did you eat tonight? If your

symptoms subsided during the day, only to flare up again tonight,

that points to something either in your environment or that you

ingested only tonight.

It took me nearly 6 months of hives before I finally pinpointed the

Yellow 5 as my cause, because it's in unrelated food items (pickles,

cheese chex mix, and orange sherbet are hardly the same food group).

I certainly don't wish 6 months of that on you! I used to love

having a snack of cheese Chex Mix after dinner with TV. Guess what

gives it the yellow tint? Your hives might be caused by something

else, but you're the only that can figure it out.

Some people react strongly to Red 40, and then there's preservatives

like BHA, BHT, TBHQ, etc. Taking more HC will mask the symptom, but

you REALLY need to figure out the cause.

Barb

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Rice. That's all I had. And at noon rice with chicken. No sauces

or gravies or anything. No juices or sodas...just water. I just

found a forum for hives sufferers and it has thrown me for a loop.

This past year has been hard enough trying to figure out all of this

thyroid and adrenal stuff, and now to have this

happen.....well....I'm sorry to be a drag.

Naffy

> >

> > Ok Val...after much discussion and much improvement today, I am

> > breaking out all over again tonight.

>

> Naffy, I have to ask you again. What did you eat tonight? If

your

> symptoms subsided during the day, only to flare up again tonight,

> that points to something either in your environment or that you

> ingested only tonight.

>

> It took me nearly 6 months of hives before I finally pinpointed

the

> Yellow 5 as my cause, because it's in unrelated food items

(pickles,

> cheese chex mix, and orange sherbet are hardly the same food

group).

> I certainly don't wish 6 months of that on you! I used to love

> having a snack of cheese Chex Mix after dinner with TV. Guess

what

> gives it the yellow tint? Your hives might be caused by something

> else, but you're the only that can figure it out.

>

> Some people react strongly to Red 40, and then there's

preservatives

> like BHA, BHT, TBHQ, etc. Taking more HC will mask the symptom,

but

> you REALLY need to figure out the cause.

>

> Barb

>

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<<<< Taking more HC will mask the symptom,

> but

> > you REALLY need to figure out the cause>>>

I was thinking maybe low cortisol was the cause. on STTM has

said that cortisol and histamine are antagonists. When one is low

the other is high.

On the other hand, I did a search on hives at the STTM site and some

mods say hives are adrenal while others say they are hypo.

Fun stuff, eh?

Naffy

> > >

> > > Ok Val...after much discussion and much improvement today, I

am

> > > breaking out all over again tonight.

> >

> > Naffy, I have to ask you again. What did you eat tonight? If

> your

> > symptoms subsided during the day, only to flare up again

tonight,

> > that points to something either in your environment or that you

> > ingested only tonight.

> >

> > It took me nearly 6 months of hives before I finally pinpointed

> the

> > Yellow 5 as my cause, because it's in unrelated food items

> > cheese chex mix, and orange sherbet are hardly the same food

> group).

> > I certainly don't wish 6 months of that on you! I used to love

> > having a snack of cheese Chex Mix after dinner with TV. Guess

> what

> > gives it the yellow tint? Your hives might be caused by

something

> > else, but you're the only that can figure it out.

> >

> > Some people react strongly to Red 40, and then there's

> preservatives

> > like BHA, BHT, TBHQ, etc. Taking more HC will mask the symptom,

> but

> > you REALLY need to figure out the cause.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

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>

> Rice. That's all I had. And at noon rice with chicken. No sauces

> or gravies or anything.

Nothing on the chicken? Not even season salt? Looks like your case

will be even harder to crack than mine. I'm so sorry Naffy . . . what

can I say except that I can feel your pain. Like you said, I've had

surgery too, and the ongoing hives was WAY worse than surgery

recovery.

Barb

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Uh, oh. Just in case there is any small possibility you could be

reacting to iodine, you should know that some rices do contain quite a

bit of iodine. Chicken also can be high iodine (but not all is) and

turkey is definitely high iodine. Do you have Hashi's by any chance?

After my first hives, lasting 3 weeks, and long years after finding out

the precipitating allergen for me was iodine, I found out that the

elimination diet of rice and turkey my doctor put me on probably

perpetuated the attack. (Luckily I didn't stick with that diet very

well, and actually stopped it before I was supposed to). He did diagnose

the cause as iodine, later proven all too correct, but he obviously did

not know that rice can be, and turkey certainly is, high iodine.

If it wasn't so painful even in memory, I'd have to laugh at the irony

of it.

sol

nafoel wrote:

> Rice. That's all I had. And at noon rice with chicken.

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I've tested negative for hashi's but I know that I could still have

it. My temps yesterday and today were a perfect 98.6. Ironic no?

You said your first outbreak lasted 3 weeks? Then, were you still

ingesting your allergens all that time....or do oubreaks from an

initial exposure last several weeks?

Thanks

Naffy

> > Rice. That's all I had. And at noon rice with chicken.

>

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I've tested negative for hashi's but I know that I could still have

it. My temps yesterday and today were a perfect 98.6. Ironic no?

You said your first outbreak lasted 3 weeks? Then, were you still

ingesting your allergens all that time....or do oubreaks from an

initial exposure last several weeks?

Thanks

Naffy

> > Rice. That's all I had. And at noon rice with chicken.

>

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>>I just spoke with a friend who tells me she had this years ago, and

was on antihistamines for 4 months with no releif. She switched dr's

and the second one had her take cortisone (I beleive those 5 day

tapering doses) and it went away never to return.

Could I try this with HC? Take megadoses for a few days and then

taper? What would be the down side....assuming the up side would be

no more hell?<<

You could try this with HC. The down side is these tapers really weaken the

adrenals even more than they were to begin wiht.And if the adreanals are in

really weakened state it may be the end of them,and they just decide to go to

sleep permanently. BUT on the other hand oy can't continue like this either. I

doi nto know the amounts to adivise you to take for this. Only that they

generally use what I consider to be VERY high doses. Usually they do it with

Pred also. You could ask youir doctor abotu this. But plan on tapering off MUCH

slpwer than they tell you.

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>>You said your first outbreak lasted 3 weeks? Then, were you still

ingesting your allergens all that time....or do oubreaks from an

initial exposure last several weeks?<<

Once your histamine is high you can have a reaciton last a pretty long time and

the histamine will sensitize you to other things. Not sur eit wouls last 3

weeks, but I think it could with out another exposure.

Ask your doctor about a Pred taper to clear this up. I can he;p you wiht what

to do afterwards.

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Am trying to get in to a doctor this morning. Then it is okay to

take pred on top of my 30 mg HC??? I am so frightened with this.

I;ll let you know what the drs say.

Thank you Val

Naffy

>

> >>You said your first outbreak lasted 3 weeks? Then, were you

still

> ingesting your allergens all that time....or do oubreaks from an

> initial exposure last several weeks?<<

>

> Once your histamine is high you can have a reaciton last a pretty

long time and the histamine will sensitize you to other things. Not

sur eit wouls last 3 weeks, but I think it could with out another

exposure.

> Ask your doctor about a Pred taper to clear this up. I can he;p

you wiht what to do afterwards.

>

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I would take it in place of the HC, then as you taper down you can add

the HC back in.

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I called and they want me to go in for a shot (?) and then take the

pred. He told me not to take my HC today but I already had (10

mg). Val I sure hope you're around this weekend....I feel like

you're going to have to do some major hand holding. LOL

Well at least I'm finally doing something about this...I sat around

for 4 days and should have gone to the dr on day one.

Thank you so much....am off to the dr. now. Will post later.

Bless you

naffy

>

> I would take it in place of the HC, then as you taper down you can

add

> the HC back in.

>

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You will probably feel the best oyu have in your life! That boost of

steroid when oyu have been low long time can feel really good.

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That's good to hear! I could use a good day. I'm just worrieed about

the weaning, Do I take my Cytomel as normal? Could there be a dump?

I am on 112.5 t3 and 30 mg HC. Ironically in these past 3 days of

feeling like s___t, my temps have been a perfect 98.6. Hope things

don't get all screwed up with the pred now. Ok...am off...appt is for

10.

Bye,

Naffy

>

> You will probably feel the best oyu have in your life! That boost of

> steroid when oyu have been low long time can feel really good.

>

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