Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I am a big fan of activated charcoal but allergies and skin breakouts can have a lot of causes. Sometimes it is just the body detoxifying and time is all that is needed and sometimes it is exposure to something that day. I get breakouts quite often and mostly ignore them unless really bad because I know until I get my body more stable they will keep happening. About 10 years ago is when I started to really get them...had to stop wearing earrings and any metals touching my skin and switch to environmentally friendly laundry soaps, body soaps, lotions, shampoos, etc. Re: Allergic Reactions Sorry to hear you are so uncomfortable. I wonder if taking Charcoal tablets or bentonite would help to absorb the toxins causing the reaction. Just a thought. Anyone know if that would help? Tina: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Are they hives? I saved my life one time by taking high doses of powdered vitamin C ( a good brand), several grams. Gave me the runs but got the allergens out of my system. The hives last for over 7 days but after the first three they didn't itch anymore. Cheri Re: Allergic Reactions Sol thank you! My husband came home a little while ago and took one look at me and called our doctor!!!It's all over my face now....not a pretty sight. Dr. told me to DOUBLE the chlorotrimeton (I was only on 4 mg) and to add Zyrtec...so basically what you were saying about mixing two different types of meds. This aft. I took a warm baking soda bath and it made it WORSE!!! Now my doc says NO HEAT...only cold showers. Plus he sent me a laxative to empty my bowels since the allergens are there now. ugh. You said heat would make histamines? I thought we were anti them. Oh well, anyway, I am flying high now with so many pills in me. This better be gone by tomorrow. Thanks for all the help today...to everyone. I'm such a baby...I know. Naffy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Val am curious, what you think an appropriate stress dose would be for an all-0ver-the-body break out of hives?? Would stress dosing be better than taking antihistamines? I/m on 30 mg hc right now. Thanks, Naffy > > >>Val, what say you? Is stress dosing with HC a viable alternative?<< > > Yes but what you took was a supressive dose which 5-5mg pred equals 100mg HC. I cannto recommend that much of a dose but a doctor might. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 For myself I would try 20MG HC. If that did not work I would turn to antihistamines. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 20 mg hc on top of my normal 30 MG per day? Or 20 mg more at each dose? Sorry to be a twit....but I'm going crazy here...I now have hives in between my fingers and toes! This really sucks Val. And I cannot figure out why this would happen at this point in my treatment...when I've never in my life had this before. My daughter even told me today, that she thought I was worse than I was this time last year....this time last year meaning on NO T3 OR hc MEDS. UGH..today she's right! nAFFY > > For myself I would try 20MG HC. If that did not work I would turn to > antihistamines. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 >>20 mg hc on top of my normal 30 MG per day? Or 20 mg more at each dose? << ONE 20MG stress dose taken at the first sign of sympotoms on top of your reg8lar dosing. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Thank YOu Val. But it won't be at the FIRST sign of symptoms since I've had it for two days now and am desperate. Naffy > > >>20 mg hc on top of my normal 30 MG per day? Or 20 mg more at each > dose? << > > ONE 20MG stress dose taken at the first sign of sympotoms on top of your reg8lar dosing. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 >>Thank YOu Val. But it won't be at the FIRST sign of symptoms since I've had it for two days now and am desperate.<< This is why I was thinking cream to use directly on it, but I would not go over 20MG on it,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 BTW you didn't get new clothing over Christmas did you? Some kinds of elastic drive me bonkers. Especially if it touches my skin. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Is it the kind with nylon? I found out I was allergic to nylon when I had a small cyst removed, and the wound was stitched with nylon sutures. Instead of healing, within a few days it got red and puffed up and the stitches were tearing through the swollen skin. Went to the doctor, who said " it isn't healed " and refused to take out the stitches. When my husband got home from work, I had him take them out, and it then healed right up with no further problems. sol wrote: > BTW you didn't get new clothing over Christmas did you? Some kinds of > elastic drive me bonkers. Especially if it touches my skin. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 No Val...no new clothes....nor anything different really, except I drank an orange soda, which I haven't had in years...since I was a kid.LOL No, this is something very strange for me....like I've said in the other posts this morning...I have NEVER had a skin reaction to anything in my life. Once when starting Armour I did itch but it went away on its own within a few hours, and their were no welts. This is gross...and now spreading to my neck and lower scalp area. I'm looking like a freak! And the itching!!! OMG the itching!! Funny you should mention elastic, because the first breakout on Christmas evening was right along the panty line. Am waiting for my next chlorotrimtron and then will be spreading some HC on the worst areas. Do you think its okay to take the 20 mg now...at night?? Subtracting of course what i put on in cream. Geez...what a day! Thanks, Naffy > > BTW you didn't get new clothing over Christmas did you? Some kinds of > elastic drive me bonkers. Especially if it touches my skin. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 You poor thing! I can't imagine a life with so many allergies...I want this thing gone NOW!!! UGH > > BTW you didn't get new clothing over Christmas did you? Some kinds of > > elastic drive me bonkers. Especially if it touches my skin. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 IF the cream and 4 hour dosing of Chlorpheniramine don't fix it, consider adding 150 mg Zantac am and pm. Per the Postgraduate Medicine link I sent you earlier. Sometimes it takes both H1 and H2 histamine blockers to get a good response. If nothing else, sometimes putting an ice pack on the worst areas helps. Or a long cold shower. NO heat (for me) though some people have said that taking a long very hot shower can cause more histamine release in the skin, and thus speed up the course of the reaction. But it won't be comfortable!!! ly I never had the guts to try it. When I had huge hives all over my face, at the doctor I got seen immediately. They did NOT want me sitting in the waiting room scaring the other patients! sol nafoel wrote: > Am waiting for my next chlorotrimtron and then will be spreading > some HC on the worst areas. Do you think its okay to take the 20 mg > now...at night?? Subtracting of course what i put on in cream. > Geez...what a day! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Sol thank you! My husband came home a little while ago and took one look at me and called our doctor!!!It's all over my face now....not a pretty sight. Dr. told me to DOUBLE the chlorotrimeton (I was only on 4 mg) and to add Zyrtec...so basically what you were saying about mixing two different types of meds. This aft. I took a warm baking soda bath and it made it WORSE!!! Now my doc says NO HEAT...only cold showers. Plus he sent me a laxative to empty my bowels since the allergens are there now. ugh. You said heat would make histamines? I thought we were anti them. Oh well, anyway, I am flying high now with so many pills in me. This better be gone by tomorrow. Thanks for all the help today...to everyone. I'm such a baby...I know. Naffy > > Am waiting for my next chlorotrimtron and then will be spreading > > some HC on the worst areas. Do you think its okay to take the 20 mg > > now...at night?? Subtracting of course what i put on in cream. > > Geez...what a day! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Sol thank you! My husband came home a little while ago and took one look at me and called our doctor!!!It's all over my face now....not a pretty sight. Dr. told me to DOUBLE the chlorotrimeton (I was only on 4 mg) and to add Zyrtec...so basically what you were saying about mixing two different types of meds. This aft. I took a warm baking soda bath and it made it WORSE!!! Now my doc says NO HEAT...only cold showers. Plus he sent me a laxative to empty my bowels since the allergens are there now. ugh. You said heat would make histamines? I thought we were anti them. Oh well, anyway, I am flying high now with so many pills in me. This better be gone by tomorrow. Thanks for all the help today...to everyone. I'm such a baby...I know. Naffy > > Am waiting for my next chlorotrimtron and then will be spreading > > some HC on the worst areas. Do you think its okay to take the 20 mg > > now...at night?? Subtracting of course what i put on in cream. > > Geez...what a day! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Sorry to hear you are so uncomfortable. I wonder if taking Charcoal tablets or bentonite would help to absorb the toxins causing the reaction. Just a thought. Anyone know if that would help? Tina > > > Am waiting for my next chlorotrimtron and then will be spreading > > > some HC on the worst areas. Do you think its okay to take the > 20 mg > > > now...at night?? Subtracting of course what i put on in cream. > > > Geez...what a day! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I would apply just what you need for the rash in cream. tomorrow you can add more, -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Nope---Zyrtec is another H1 blocker, you need to add something like Zantac(Ranitidine) or Cimetidine, which are H2 blockers. These H2 blockers are not found in the antihistamine section, they are in the stomach irritation/ulcer section. Here is the link again in case you can't find it http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2001/02_01/krishnaswamy.htm PLEASE read it or have your husband read it for you. Heat doesn't make histamine, the skin cells do that--but heat causes more histamine release, which increases the reaction. Some say a lot of heat speeds up the histamine release and helps exhaust the histamine in the skin cells. But it also worsens the reaction, so can be extremely uncomfortable to actually painful in the short term. If you can start at the first signs of a histamine skin reaction, and keep the cells exhausted of histamine, they can't build up a good head of steam so to speak to really get a huge reaction going. Nevertheless, causing cells to release histamine makes for discomfort. I've stopped attacks cold by using diluted DMSO to cause histamine release in baby steps several times a day, and to keep the cells from building up a lot of histamine. I don't think you are a baby. No one who has not experienced this can truly know how bad it can be. sol nafoel wrote: > Sol thank you! My husband came home a little while ago and took one > look at me and called our doctor!!!It's all over my face now....not > a pretty sight. Dr. told me to DOUBLE the chlorotrimeton (I was > only on 4 mg) and to add Zyrtec...so basically what you were saying > about mixing two different types of meds. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Bentonite is a possibility. And applying bentonite in a paste to the affected areas might possibly help, but I've never tried it. At some point when a reaction of this type gets bad enough anything you put on the skin will cause more pain, just because it has become unbearably sensitive. sol Tina Chapek wrote: > I wonder if taking Charcoal tablets or bentonite would help to absorb > the toxins causing the reaction. Just a thought. Anyone know if > that would help? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Great info. Thanks.. Nil Re: Allergic Reactions I can't remember, so looked it up. > vitamin C (ascorbic acid) (1 tsp) with Arm and Hammer baking soda > (1/2 tsp) in 1 inch of water, letting it fizz and then diluting to 1/2 > to 1 cup with water, then drinking. The resulting sodium ascorbate is > non-acid, very pure and a thousand times more soluble than vitamin C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 > vitamin C (ascorbic acid) (1 tsp) with Arm and Hammer baking soda > (1/2 tsp) in 1 inch of water, letting it fizz and then diluting to 1/2 > to 1 cup with water, then drinking. The resulting sodium ascorbate is > non-acid, very pure and a thousand times more soluble than vitamin C. > Sodium ascorbate is > more reactive than ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in building connective > tissue and antibody structures and more effective in killing some > viruses and bacteria. Any idea what this comes out to be in mgs? btw, sodium ascorbate is what Linus ing recommended. My favorite recipe is for sodium ascorbate nose drops for when you have cold! Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Ok I tried this tonight. Of course, I don't have the right ingredients on hand...best I could find was Solagar 1000mg timed release capsules....but I opened them up and poured into the teaspoon, then mixed in the baking soda and then water. I would like to find another good source of vitamin c, but in the meantime, I guess this way won't hurt me. I have also been reading tonight about the importance of alkalinizing the body to avoid desease/allergies etc. This form of supplementing Vit C helps to do that. I have learned so much in 24 hrs!! Naffy > > > vitamin C (ascorbic acid) (1 tsp) with Arm and Hammer baking soda > > (1/2 tsp) in 1 inch of water, letting it fizz and then diluting to 1/2 > > to 1 cup with water, then drinking. The resulting sodium ascorbate is > > non-acid, very pure and a thousand times more soluble than vitamin C. > > Sodium ascorbate is > > more reactive than ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in building connective > > tissue and antibody structures and more effective in killing some > > viruses and bacteria. > > Any idea what this comes out to be in mgs? > > btw, sodium ascorbate is what Linus ing recommended. My favorite > recipe is for sodium ascorbate nose drops for when you have cold! > > Dahlia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Well I did great today,no breakouts and slight itching, but unfortunately now I'm breaking out again. It's got me very down. Tonight I have it on my calves/thighs/private parts ugh/underarms/forearms....not too much on the trunk like last night. My dr. wants to switch me to Atarax tonight....but I just took my Zyrtec and Chloro-T, so I don't think I should do that now. Thanks for the link to the Vit C....I'm off to take mine now. Hope it helps. Naffy > > Naffy, > According to what I read today, the ascorbic acid is actually better at > temporarily relieving hives because it is anti-histamine whereas the natural > Vitamin C is better and cleansing and getting out the toxin. So, your > current Solagar might be a good short term solution as I am pretty sure it > is ascorbic acid. If you don't have any allergies too it then you will be > fine. > > Did you get the link for the natural C? I am going to order a couple from > them too. They are organic which is another good thing. > http://www.synergy-co.com/pages/pure-radiance.html > > Keep us posted on your progress. > > Cheri > > > > > Re: Allergic Reactions > > > Ok I tried this tonight. Of course, I don't have the right > ingredients on hand...best I could find was Solagar 1000mg timed > release capsules....but I opened them up and poured into the > teaspoon, then mixed in the baking soda and then water. I would > like to find another good source of vitamin c, but in the meantime, > I guess this way won't hurt me. > I have also been reading tonight about the importance of > alkalinizing the body to avoid desease/allergies etc. This form of > supplementing Vit C helps to do that. > I have learned so much in 24 hrs!! > > Naffy > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 srapp785@... wrote: > > Any idea what this comes out to be in mgs? > It would be however many mgs are in a tsp of your ascorbic acid powder. > btw, sodium ascorbate is what Linus ing recommended. My favorite > recipe is for sodium ascorbate nose drops for when you have cold! > Could you share that please? I'd like it for my adult son, who does get frequent colds. thanks, sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 My favorite > recipe is for sodium ascorbate nose drops for when you have cold! > Could you share that please? I'd like it for my adult son, who does get frequent colds. thanks, sol Hi Sol, This is from page 19 of HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER by Linus ing: ....dissolve 3.1g of sodium ascorbate in 100 ml of water....use 20 drops of this solution into each nostril with an eye dropper....in this way a local concentration of ascorbate a thousand times the value produced by oral administration can be reached. " Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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