Re: merry x-mas all, but on a more postive! note...

[Guest guest]

Val,

What can I say! As ever I am amazed and greatful with your email.

After reading your (extensive) story I do feel like I am whinging

alittle. Having said that my symptoms are very real!

I do take heart from several stories and ofcourse yours too. I know

that part of any ill health is the acceptance of how it is, maybe

this is a reason for getting sick in the first place - to learn

acceptance?

What really scares me is that maybe I have taken a wrong turn and by

starting HC I have gone against the advice of a trusted doctor and

have made things perhaps more difficult for myself. On the other

hand, doc Hertoghe is fantastic, really friendly and approachable and

knowledgable too. I guess that is the problem with seeing different

doctors, each has their own truth - how do we know which one is right?

You mentioned that guys need more HC than gals. Would you recommend I

push up to 30mg before making any judgement about how HC is working,

and with the Armour (I'm at 3.25grains 0600 90mg 1200 60mg 1730

45mg), is it possible that this might need increasing too? And if so

what would you say is a target dose?

I am definately feeling better than a few months ago, and very much

better than a year ago. For this I am grateful, especially to those

poor pigs that give me my armour. What troubles me greatly is what do

people do that have no access to Armour and the like? What did people

do back in the days when Armour was not available like 100 years ago?

I shudder to think what quality of life I would have had if I was

born just 50years ago! Scary eh!

>

> Well I am sort of a success story, btu sort of not, so not sure if

this

> qualifies. When I was 40 years old I was diagnosed wiht Congestive

heart

> failure. I weighed 265 pounds and was on four BP meds for BP of

245/148

> which would not budge. I was seeing four specialists that literally

wer

> doing nothig for m. As I am single and no support from anyone in my

> fam,ily (they have NEVER believed I was ill!)I had no chpoice but

to

> work and support myself through this. I was on 500MCG Synthroid

which

> also was doing nothing for me. I experimented and raised it to

1600mcg a

> day and had NO CHANGE in my labs whihc all they tested were TSH and

Free

> T4 an told me I was normal. I went from my usual 12-15 dogs aday

that I

> groomed at work to four a day was all I could manage and only then

wiht

> taking a midday nap at work. I had to naop at noon and again before

I

> dared to try to drive hoem as I wrecked three cars fallingasleep

driving

> himne from work. I thought I had arcolepsy and took speed to

function.

> II finally after doing hours of research on the web found a source

for

> Armoru thyroid and read about sea salt. As I had been on a NO SALT

diet

> for 2 years trying to contriol my high BP it was a real leap of

faith to

> start taking sea salkt but I knew I was dyign anyway so why not?

Long

> story short I am self treating and inthe last 13 years have CURED

my

> Congestive heart failure, my BP is 130/68 wot NO BP meds and I take

> abotu 15-20MG daily of HC. I have weaned off it twice but went back

on

> as I just feel better on it. My most recent saliva labs off HC

showed

> high AM cortiols and low at noon and normal the rest of the day. I

am

> Diabetic and treat myself for that too and with insulin I now have

cured

> my neuropathy that was gettign bad in my hands and feet and have

now

> gotten my glucose to welkl within normal ranges. I have since

opened my

> OWN pet grooming business where I work 5 days a well grooming 6-7

dogs a

> day and doing quite well living alone with my 7 pets.

> You have youth on your side. Adrenals take TIME to hela and the

> correct amount of support. I suspect you need mroe HC as you are

male

> and men need more cortisol all the time than women do. Then you

will

> have to make lifestyle adjustments to releive styress which will

ALWAYS

> be a problem for you with weak adrenals. That is th edownside. You

are

> SO lucky oyu have a doctor such as Hertoghe! You have 100 times

better

> chance of success with this just because of that! Most of us here

would

> kill for a decent doctor to guide us but the truth is MOST doctors

do

> nmto aheva clue about this much less how to treat it. Which is why

ths

> group started. As I ahve p;earned mreo abotu differnt aspects of

this

> disease syndrom, I have passed this knowledge on to others that

need it.

> Many are educating their doctors so the next guy will getbetter

care

> than they did. Together we are changing the way this is looked at

and

> treated, and THAT may just save the human race which is in a spiral

> downward and I fear iwthin 2 generations may become extinct from

> hormones not working correctly. Exageration? Look at the munber of

drugs

> on the market today for sexual dysfunction.. look at the number of

women

> in early menopause that could not conceive. Look at the number of

people

> around you wiht black circles under their eyes from adrenal

dysfunction.

> WE are the lucky ones that have learned how to deal with this in

spite

> of denial from the medical world.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

What can I say! As ever I am amazed and greatful with your email.

After reading your (extensive) story I do feel like I am whinging

alittle. Having said that my symptoms are very real!

I do take heart from several stories and ofcourse yours too. I know

that part of any ill health is the acceptance of how it is, maybe

this is a reason for getting sick in the first place - to learn

acceptance?

What really scares me is that maybe I have taken a wrong turn and by

starting HC I have gone against the advice of a trusted doctor and

have made things perhaps more difficult for myself. On the other

hand, doc Hertoghe is fantastic, really friendly and approachable and

knowledgable too. I guess that is the problem with seeing different

doctors, each has their own truth - how do we know which one is right?

You mentioned that guys need more HC than gals. Would you recommend I

push up to 30mg before making any judgement about how HC is working,

and with the Armour (I'm at 3.25grains 0600 90mg 1200 60mg 1730

45mg), is it possible that this might need increasing too? And if so

what would you say is a target dose?

I am definately feeling better than a few months ago, and very much

better than a year ago. For this I am grateful, especially to those

poor pigs that give me my armour. What troubles me greatly is what do

people do that have no access to Armour and the like? What did people

do back in the days when Armour was not available like 100 years ago?

I shudder to think what quality of life I would have had if I was

born just 50years ago! Scary eh!

>

> Well I am sort of a success story, btu sort of not, so not sure if

this

> qualifies. When I was 40 years old I was diagnosed wiht Congestive

heart

> failure. I weighed 265 pounds and was on four BP meds for BP of

245/148

> which would not budge. I was seeing four specialists that literally

wer

> doing nothig for m. As I am single and no support from anyone in my

> fam,ily (they have NEVER believed I was ill!)I had no chpoice but

to

> work and support myself through this. I was on 500MCG Synthroid

which

> also was doing nothing for me. I experimented and raised it to

1600mcg a

> day and had NO CHANGE in my labs whihc all they tested were TSH and

Free

> T4 an told me I was normal. I went from my usual 12-15 dogs aday

that I

> groomed at work to four a day was all I could manage and only then

wiht

> taking a midday nap at work. I had to naop at noon and again before

I

> dared to try to drive hoem as I wrecked three cars fallingasleep

driving

> himne from work. I thought I had arcolepsy and took speed to

function.

> II finally after doing hours of research on the web found a source

for

> Armoru thyroid and read about sea salt. As I had been on a NO SALT

diet

> for 2 years trying to contriol my high BP it was a real leap of

faith to

> start taking sea salkt but I knew I was dyign anyway so why not?

Long

> story short I am self treating and inthe last 13 years have CURED

my

> Congestive heart failure, my BP is 130/68 wot NO BP meds and I take

> abotu 15-20MG daily of HC. I have weaned off it twice but went back

on

> as I just feel better on it. My most recent saliva labs off HC

showed

> high AM cortiols and low at noon and normal the rest of the day. I

am

> Diabetic and treat myself for that too and with insulin I now have

cured

> my neuropathy that was gettign bad in my hands and feet and have

now

> gotten my glucose to welkl within normal ranges. I have since

opened my

> OWN pet grooming business where I work 5 days a well grooming 6-7

dogs a

> day and doing quite well living alone with my 7 pets.

> You have youth on your side. Adrenals take TIME to hela and the

> correct amount of support. I suspect you need mroe HC as you are

male

> and men need more cortisol all the time than women do. Then you

will

> have to make lifestyle adjustments to releive styress which will

ALWAYS

> be a problem for you with weak adrenals. That is th edownside. You

are

> SO lucky oyu have a doctor such as Hertoghe! You have 100 times

better

> chance of success with this just because of that! Most of us here

would

> kill for a decent doctor to guide us but the truth is MOST doctors

do

> nmto aheva clue about this much less how to treat it. Which is why

ths

> group started. As I ahve p;earned mreo abotu differnt aspects of

this

> disease syndrom, I have passed this knowledge on to others that

need it.

> Many are educating their doctors so the next guy will getbetter

care

> than they did. Together we are changing the way this is looked at

and

> treated, and THAT may just save the human race which is in a spiral

> downward and I fear iwthin 2 generations may become extinct from

> hormones not working correctly. Exageration? Look at the munber of

drugs

> on the market today for sexual dysfunction.. look at the number of

women

> in early menopause that could not conceive. Look at the number of

people

> around you wiht black circles under their eyes from adrenal

dysfunction.

> WE are the lucky ones that have learned how to deal with this in

spite

> of denial from the medical world.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I just checked the phots of you. What a transformation! You looked a

bit scary at the lower dose LOL! But you are looking MUCH better in

the other 2 photos - wow!

> >

> > Well I am sort of a success story, btu sort of not, so not sure

if

> this

> > qualifies. When I was 40 years old I was diagnosed wiht

Congestive

> heart

> > failure. I weighed 265 pounds and was on four BP meds for BP of

> 245/148

> > which would not budge. I was seeing four specialists that

literally

> wer

> > doing nothig for m. As I am single and no support from anyone in

my

> > fam,ily (they have NEVER believed I was ill!)I had no chpoice but

> to

> > work and support myself through this. I was on 500MCG Synthroid

> which

> > also was doing nothing for me. I experimented and raised it to

> 1600mcg a

> > day and had NO CHANGE in my labs whihc all they tested were TSH

and

> Free

> > T4 an told me I was normal. I went from my usual 12-15 dogs aday

> that I

> > groomed at work to four a day was all I could manage and only

then

> wiht

> > taking a midday nap at work. I had to naop at noon and again

before

> I

> > dared to try to drive hoem as I wrecked three cars fallingasleep

> driving

> > himne from work. I thought I had arcolepsy and took speed to

> function.

> > II finally after doing hours of research on the web found a

source

> for

> > Armoru thyroid and read about sea salt. As I had been on a NO

SALT

> diet

> > for 2 years trying to contriol my high BP it was a real leap of

> faith to

> > start taking sea salkt but I knew I was dyign anyway so why not?

> Long

> > story short I am self treating and inthe last 13 years have CURED

> my

> > Congestive heart failure, my BP is 130/68 wot NO BP meds and I

take

> > abotu 15-20MG daily of HC. I have weaned off it twice but went

back

> on

> > as I just feel better on it. My most recent saliva labs off HC

> showed

> > high AM cortiols and low at noon and normal the rest of the day.

I

> am

> > Diabetic and treat myself for that too and with insulin I now

have

> cured

> > my neuropathy that was gettign bad in my hands and feet and have

> now

> > gotten my glucose to welkl within normal ranges. I have since

> opened my

> > OWN pet grooming business where I work 5 days a well grooming 6-7

> dogs a

> > day and doing quite well living alone with my 7 pets.

> > You have youth on your side. Adrenals take TIME to hela and the

> > correct amount of support. I suspect you need mroe HC as you are

> male

> > and men need more cortisol all the time than women do. Then you

> will

> > have to make lifestyle adjustments to releive styress which will

> ALWAYS

> > be a problem for you with weak adrenals. That is th edownside.

You

> are

> > SO lucky oyu have a doctor such as Hertoghe! You have 100 times

> better

> > chance of success with this just because of that! Most of us here

> would

> > kill for a decent doctor to guide us but the truth is MOST

doctors

> do

> > nmto aheva clue about this much less how to treat it. Which is

why

> ths

> > group started. As I ahve p;earned mreo abotu differnt aspects of

> this

> > disease syndrom, I have passed this knowledge on to others that

> need it.

> > Many are educating their doctors so the next guy will getbetter

> care

> > than they did. Together we are changing the way this is looked at

> and

> > treated, and THAT may just save the human race which is in a

spiral

> > downward and I fear iwthin 2 generations may become extinct from

> > hormones not working correctly. Exageration? Look at the munber

of

> drugs

> > on the market today for sexual dysfunction.. look at the number

of

> women

> > in early menopause that could not conceive. Look at the number of

> people

> > around you wiht black circles under their eyes from adrenal

> dysfunction.

> > WE are the lucky ones that have learned how to deal with this in

> spite

> > of denial from the medical world.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HA! Actually Armoru has been around for over 100 years. But before then

they ate the thyroids of animals.And before then they died. YThey slowed

down and succumbed to viruses and bacterial infections that tody aare

not a threat as we have learned how to boost our immune systems through

healthy hormone supplementation.

When I quit worrying abou the MANY doctors that ar against HC

supplementaiton was when I first started reading stories from MANY that

had been trying the natural route for 15-20 years and STILL felt nto

much better than when they started,. Do you have 15 years to give this

disease in the hope of avoidig HC?> I sure don't. If you can have a

chance to heal and still remain functional while doing so is that not

better than 15 yuears of non functional whilke MAYBE your adrnelas heal

themselves naturally? nd thne it si a BIG maybe. I have also seen 1-2

people on 20MG HC for many years then stop it and be fine SO I no longer

believe in the supression stories but I do think you can wreak havoc on

a too low dose of HC. It IS no better than none at all and may actually

be worse. I knwo a man in the UK that has been on 50-60mg HC for the

last 2 years and it si not bit too much for him, btu he is certainly

the exception. But wihtout his wonderful doctor, Peatfield, daring to go

outside th ebox, he would quite possibly be dead by now.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

HA! Actually Armoru has been around for over 100 years. But before then

they ate the thyroids of animals.And before then they died. YThey slowed

down and succumbed to viruses and bacterial infections that tody aare

not a threat as we have learned how to boost our immune systems through

healthy hormone supplementation.

When I quit worrying abou the MANY doctors that ar against HC

supplementaiton was when I first started reading stories from MANY that

had been trying the natural route for 15-20 years and STILL felt nto

much better than when they started,. Do you have 15 years to give this

disease in the hope of avoidig HC?> I sure don't. If you can have a

chance to heal and still remain functional while doing so is that not

better than 15 yuears of non functional whilke MAYBE your adrnelas heal

themselves naturally? nd thne it si a BIG maybe. I have also seen 1-2

people on 20MG HC for many years then stop it and be fine SO I no longer

believe in the supression stories but I do think you can wreak havoc on

a too low dose of HC. It IS no better than none at all and may actually

be worse. I knwo a man in the UK that has been on 50-60mg HC for the

last 2 years and it si not bit too much for him, btu he is certainly

the exception. But wihtout his wonderful doctor, Peatfield, daring to go

outside th ebox, he would quite possibly be dead by now.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/