Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 > A) Which do I start first? I'm not sure Henry has a gluten or > casein problem; I suspect it's more the phenols, from what I've been > reading. However, since he's recently had the antibiotics, should I > just assume he's got leaky gut issues, and start with the Peptizyde > and probiotics? I would start with No-Fenol. >>I guess there are two sub issues: does the NF work > like a chelation or an enzyme? It is an enzyme. >>OTOH, if it's an enzyme that just munches phenols, can I > simply start on that if that's my biggest concern? Yes. > Does everyone experience negative side effects? How quickly do > they show up? How quickly do they subside? My son was *slightly* hyper on No-Fenol, for about 3 weeks. > C) How many people are doing chelation? My kids are fully chelated. Is anyone using enzymes > successfully enough to chelate without gfcf diet? Yes >>Bottom line, if we decide we need to chelate, will > I have to do the gfcf diet too? I did not need to stay gfcf with HNI enzymes. >>Any good web resources on chelation? You can start with my page, if you want http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Hi , So sorry to hear you have to through this difficult time of wondering what's going on with your health. I'm glad you're seeing a rheumatologist so soon. I'm sure that he or she will be able to help you feel better--whatever it is you're dealing with. Take care. Sierra > > > I got a call from my doctor yesterday. She had ordered a blood panel > to rule out arthritis as the cause for my fatigue, joint and muscle > pain. It came back with high RF and ESR levels, and she has referred > me to a rheumatologist. I go in April 8th. > > I've done some online research, and I'm trying to stay upbeat about > this, but I'm nervous. The doctor's assistant (who I spoke to over > the phone) refused to give me any information, including the levels, > but said the RF is high and ESR " elevated " . What can cause this? > I've been in quite a bit of pain lately, and it does come and go (the > last few months have been the worst, though). > > I'm 37 and have a toddler. I assumed the pain was due to my age and > having to chase my daughter around, combined with stress. I have had > some heart issues in the past that are, for the most part, > undiagnosed, and did suffer kidney failure during my pregnancy > (preeclampsia). I just haven't been " right " since then. I also have > been getting a rash on my face, worse on the right than the left, > that is worse in summer and starts on the inside of my cheeks and up > the side of my nose, sometimes meeting and then going up to my > forehead. This began about 7 years ago, when a lot of my off and on > health " issues " began, and in the last year has gotten progressively > worse. So, of course I'm worried about lupus now, too. > > Am I freaking out about nothing? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Hi , I'm sorry that you are so nervous about what disease you might have. A high RF and elevated ESR are not specific to any one rheumatic disease, so you can't begin to guess what your problem is. But you do have a right to see your lab results. I always get a copy of mine, and if there's something on there that I don't know about, I look it up on the Internet. Of course having the results is not going to easy your worry any. At least you don't have long to see a rheumatologist. Sometimes the wait is six months to see one, so you're lucky in that respect. If lupus is suspected, I think they do a blood test called ANA. When and a, our moderators, see your message, they will point you to some good research about RA and other rheumatic diseases. I certainly did not expect to get a diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis five years ago. I didn't even know it was in my family, but later found out that my mother's sister had it. I thought that she had osteoarthritis, which is bad enough, but it was RA. She just didn't talk about it much, and she wore long sleeves to hide the nodules on her elbows. But today there are better medications than in the past. I am on Enbrel, one of the biologics, and it's working very well for me. This is a very supportive group, and we know what you're going through. We understand your concerns. Hang in there until you see the rheumatologist, and you're sure to get some answers then. Sue On Friday, March 18, 2005, at 09:11 PM, tandarat wrote: > > I got a call from my doctor yesterday. She had ordered a blood panel > to rule out arthritis as the cause for my fatigue, joint and muscle > pain. It came back with high RF and ESR levels, and she has referred > me to a rheumatologist. I go in April 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: " tandarat " <mflinder@...> > I got a call from my doctor yesterday. She had ordered a blood panel to rule out arthritis as the cause for my fatigue, joint and muscle pain. It came back with high RF and ESR levels, and she has referred me to a rheumatologist. I go in April 8th. You are lucky to get an appointment so soon. > I've done some online research, and I'm trying to stay upbeat about this, but I'm nervous. The doctor's assistant (who I spoke to over the phone) refused to give me any information, including the levels, but said the RF is high and ESR " elevated " . What can cause this? I've been in quite a bit of pain lately, and it does come and go (the last few months have been the worst, though). Few doctors' offices will give out any info on the phone anymore because of the HIPPA laws. > I'm 37 and have a toddler. I assumed the pain was due to my age and having to chase my daughter around, combined with stress. 37 is pretty young for having so many problems. I'm sorry you're having to deal with that. > Am I freaking out about nothing? It's natural to freak out, but try not to. Easier said than done, I know! Stress will just make you feel worse. And it won't get you the answers any faster. I suggest you just keep researching and write down any questions you have for the doc at your time of visit (if I don't write them down, I tend to stress out and forget to ask them). Please ask here if you have questions you think we might be able to answer and please do keep us posted on what the doc says. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 There is a book called “The Fluoride Deception” that goes into great detail about this. Basically, they have known that fluoride is toxic since WW2 and the use of putting it in water for the health of the country is a cover up for toxic waste dumping. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1583225269/qid=1125728943/sr=8 -1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3128034-1551959?v=glance & s=books & n=507846 M [ ] Now what? Now what? The Environmental Protection Agency employees all over the country are protesting the coverup of the flouide/bone cancer connection. We did flouride treatments and I'm sure most of your kids did too. Think about this. Sheesh! Coalition of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Unions August 5, 2005 RE: Bone Cancer-Fluoridation Cover-Up Hon. Tom Harkin, Ranking Member Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry SR-328A Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510-6000 Dear Senator Harkin: Our unions represent a substantial portion of the nation-wide workforce at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and we are writing to ask for a moratorium on the national program of the U.S. Public Health Service to fluoridate all of America's public water supplies. One us us (Dr. Hirzy, of NTEU Chapter 280) testified before the Subcommittee on Wildlife, Fisheries and Water of the Senate on June 29, 2000 on this subject on behalf of his headquarters union. At that time the union called for a moratorium based on science indicating a number of adverse health effects and out-of-control, excessive exposures to fluoride. We now join NTEU Chapter 280 in renewing the call for a moratorium, based on startling and disturbing new information that confirms the worst fears expressed in the earlier testimony. Work done at Harvard College's School of Dental Medicine by Dr. Elise Bassin, which has been hidden since 2001, shows that pre- adolescent boys who drink fluoridated water are at a seven-fold increased risk of osteosarcoma, an often fatal bone cancer. We ask that the moratorium take effect immediately and remain in place until a full hearing by the Congress on the wisdom of continuing the practice is concluded. The last such hearing was in 1978. Dr. Bassin's work, done as her doctoral thesis, was completed and accepted by Harvard in partial fulfillment of the requirements for her Ph.D. in 2001. It is a landmark investigation of age-specific exposure of young people in a case-control epidemiology study of the incidence of osteosarcoma. The thesis remained sequestered until 2004, when her research adviser, Chester s, inexplicably reported to the funding agency, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, that no connection was found between fluoride and osteosarcoma. This discrepancy between Chester s' written report and the actual findings of the funded study is under investigation by several entities, and we believe should be looked into by the Congress as well. It appears to be yet another instance of federally funded science gone awry to protect special interests. Chester s edits Colgate Company's Oral Health Report. Chapter three of Dr. Bassin's work (enclosed) cites the impressive weight of convergent evidence for the carcinogenicity of fluoride in young boys (but not girls): fluoride is a mitogen, increasing the rate of cell division; it has been shown to be mutagenic, damaging chromosomal structure; it accumulates primarily in bone, site of the cancer; several previous epidemiology studies have found heretofore unexplained increases in osteosarcoma in young men (but not young women); a National Toxicology Program animal study found statistically significant increases in osteosarcomas in male (but not female) rats. And she discusses why several other epidemiology studies found no association between fluoridation and osteosarcoma; principally, those studies did not consider age-specific exposures and development of the cancer. It is simply unconscionable that her federally funded work was hidden for four years while millions of young boys continued to be exposed to increased risk of this disease, whose best outcome involves amputation. Several federal statutes express Congressional intent regarding timely warning about such risks. These include, for example, the Toxic Substances Control Act, section 8(e) and the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act section 6(a)(2). We believe another area for Congressional investigation is: who knew about the results of Dr. Bassin's work besides herself and Chester s? and was any federal statute violated by keeping those results hidden for four years? Another reason for a Congressional review of fluoridation is the recent work of Dr. Maas of the Environmental Quality Institute, University of North Carolina-Ashville, which shows that use of chloramine disinfectant and silicofluoride fluoridating agents with excess ammonia increases lead concentrations in public water supplies. This may explain at least some of the increased lead levels seen in the District of Columbia's water supplies and in the blood of children drinking water fluoridated with silicofluorides. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that ninety four percent of fluoridated water systems use silicofluorides. Dr. Hirzy is available to meet with your staff to pursue this matter, and we hope that you will find it of sufficient concern to initiate a full investigation of fluoridation, which we believe is long overdue. Sincerely, Dwight A. Welch, President NTEU Chapter 280 EPA Headquarters J. Hirzy, Vice-President NTEU Chapter 280 EPA Headquarters /s/Steve Shapiro, President AFGE local 3331 EPA Headquarters /s/ Sacker, President AFGE Local 3911 Region 2 Office, New York /s/Larry Penley. President NTEU Chapter 279 EPA Cincinnati Laboratory /s/ Barron, President NAGE Local R5-55 Region 4 Office, Atlanta /s/Wendell , President ESC/IFPTE Local 20 Region 9 Office, San Francisco /s/ Chan, President NTEU Chapter 295 Region 9 Office, San Francisco /s/Henry Burrell, President AFGE Local 3428 Region 1 Office, Boston /s/Alan Hollis, President AFGE Local 3611 Region 3 Office, Philadelphia /s/ Beck, President AFGE Local 2900 Ada Laboratory /s/Mark Coryell, President AFGE Local 3907 Ann Arbor laboratory cc: Hon. L. , Administrator U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi, Plaquenil is an antiinflammatory, but so is Minocin. I already had sclerosed lungs when I was diagnosed with S/D & R/A and I also have developed pulmonary hypertension. Why take two antiinflammatories when One will do? Ditch the plaquenil. I did and take no pain pills at all b/cause I have no pain. Simple! Dolores Ethel Snooks <emsnooks@...> wrote: Please note, , the antibiotic protocol detailed on www.rheumatic.org deals with the cause of your disease while the Plaquenil is used to only treat the symptoms. It may take several weeks to work, but then too, for some people it doesn't work at all. Some doctors prescribe Plaquenil to try and reduce the inflammation until the antibiotic therapy kicks in. The antibiotic therapy takes time - sometimes as much as 3 to 5 years, and for most is not an easy road. It may require more than swallowing pills. We call it the three steps forward, two steps backward protocol, but eventually you will see the light at the end of the tunnel. This group is here to help you on your road back to wellness. Ethel To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: rheumatic Re: Now What? > You guys are all great. I will be fine and I will get the Minocin > sooner or later. I was really freaking out yesterday but feel > better this morning. We did stop the Methotrexate and I am going to > stay off of that for a few weeks before trying the Plaquenil. I > really want to let my system clear out for a bit. I am also going > to concentrate on my diet. I have an elimination diet I will start > so that I can pin point which foods bother my condition. Those > foods I will stay away from. Plaquenil I will give a shot and pray > it doesn't cause me any problems however, the AP I will find a way > to try. I just have to know if it will work for me. > > This group is great and so informative but most of all just having > people to talk to about something that most people don't understand > is really important to me. My husband doesn't understand why I > don't just " move forward and not worry about it " . I am still newly > diagnosed with whatever label they want to give (or should I say > keep changing) and my counselor said I am in a grieving stage. DUH > just wish my hubby would understand that and let me get through it > without getting mad. Sorry to vent the personal stuff but that is > part of why I am feeling so bad. > > I pray everyone a painfree and joyful day. > > > > >> >> With all due respect, regarding the below response is not > necessarily >> helpful advice. I have been corresponding w/ by personal > email & she >> is diagnosed w/a disease that has potential complications including >> pulmonary hypertension & fibrosis. I believe her disease > diagnosis to be >> accurate based on her symptoms & labs. While I do advocate > experimenting >> w/Minocin, it is NOT prudent advice to tell this young woman that > she should >> throw away the Dr.'s script. Placquenil is a well tolerated drug > w/a good >> safety profile & provides enormous benefit which the pt. needs > right now. I >> would suggest that once she achieves stabilization w/the > Placquenil, that >> she then could take Minocin. Achieving a clinical remission > within the 1st >> 2 years after diagnosis is very important w/this disease & in my > humble >> opinion, Placquenil probably gives her the best shot. I realize > that you're >> just trying to calm her fears, but be careful about what advice > you dispense >> & she should not take a medication labeled for someone else. I'm > glad you >> have achieved such good results for whatever rheumatic disorder > you have & I >> definitely think the infectious theory needs explored. However, > Minocin is >> still not a proven treatment for MCTD, yet Placquenil is. Patrice >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] > On Behalf >> Of ehgooding >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:42 PM >> rheumatic >> Subject: RE: rheumatic Now What? >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> This is why I said in my earlier email not to worry about labels. > So many >> of them don't know what the heck they are doing so don't trust > they know it >> all. They are winging it. They give you a label and that lets them > know >> which meds to write the script for. They don't always know this > but they >> are. Don't let this guy mess with your head; you are going to be > OK. But >> you do need to continue your quest to get the Minocin. >> >> If you can get the Minocin it will all change. So that's all I'd > try to do >> ... get that Minocin. You may have to play along; i.e., take the > piece of >> paper/RX for Plaquenil to placate him; don't fill it; call him in > a week and >> tell him it makes you deathly ill; read about the side effects and > tell him >> you got a couple of them .... and tell him to call in an RX for > Minocin >> since you've tried all his meds and they don't work for you. And > if he >> won't help you tell him you are going elsewhere ... and go to an > internist >> to see if you get better results. ... another thought - do any of > your kids >> have acne? See if you can get Mino for them and then take it > yourself. >> Fight dirty. Do whatever you need to get the Mino. I'm not > kidding. El >> >> rheumatic Now What? >> >> So I go to my new rheumy today. Well he says I don't have RA per > say >> but I have mixed connective tissue disease. Ok so what does that > mean >> for the AP? Every time I turn around they are telling me something >> different. I could just cry and don't know what to think anymore. > I >> just want to throw all the meds in the trash and wait until I die. > He >> agreed to let me off the Methotrexate since I think it isnt > working >> but he wants to start me on Plaquenil. He isn't big on the AP. > Just >> when I think I have RA now I am told all this. I don't know what > to >> do now. >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscri >> beegroups >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Don't cry! Just find another Doc that will give you A/P! Dolores P.S. It is always difficult on the spouse. Just tell him the best medicine for you right now is a big hug from him and have him hold you. It works. We're married 31 yrs. P.S. He needs to be hugged back. Dolores ktandtm <ktandtm@...> wrote: So I go to my new rheumy today. Well he says I don't have RA per say but I have mixed connective tissue disease. Ok so what does that mean for the AP? Every time I turn around they are telling me something different. I could just cry and don't know what to think anymore. I just want to throw all the meds in the trash and wait until I die. He agreed to let me off the Methotrexate since I think it isnt working but he wants to start me on Plaquenil. He isn't big on the AP. Just when I think I have RA now I am told all this. I don't know what to do now. To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi ! Glad you feel better today -- emotionally, as well. Did you know that emotional ups and downs are part of the deal, as well? Not to worry -- it gets lots BETTER! There's a real reason for your illness (possibly/probably mycoplasma). The unknown is pretty scary at times and I remember the days of frustration when my docs couldn't really put a name to or diagnose my condition precisely. Somewhere along the line I learned that rheumatic diseases are labeled/mislabeled and relabeled and I quit worrying about having a " name " to my disease. All I knew was it probably was in the RA family. Thanks, Dr. Franco for giving me a name. The 100+ diseases in the RA family tend to mimic one another, varying by fine-tuned details and certainly overlap one another. It's not always easy to discern one from another, from a mixture. The good news is that with Minocin and the AP there is a generalized approach and it works -- no matter what name they give you (in the rheumatic family -- be it RA, Lupus, Scleroderma, Dermatomyosits, etc.). I have been diagnosed with mixed connective tissue disease by some doctors, and other docs have given my symptoms another " name " -- dermatomyositis. For me, it didn't matter. The Minocin treatment works! Mind you, Dr. Franco also prescribed Zithromax, 250 mg twice a week on non-Minocin days. Later switched the Zithromax for Biaxin (250 mg five days a week.) You mentioned you'll " try " the Minocin. I sense you may not give it long enough of a try. When my internist first prescribed it she said, " You'll have to take this medicine for 48 weeks (50 or 100mg on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays) until you even begin to notice improvement. Before that, you may even notice more pain, stiffness, and discomfort. " Lucky for me I noticed a tiny improvement (after an initial worsening of symptoms) after about three months. I was ready to go for the long haul before noticing improvement, as Ethel mentioned, up to three or five YEARS. She knows what she's talking about -- trust her. I'll leave it to the rest of the group to encourage you to find a doctor, or persist with the one you are currently working with, to be your own advocate and go with the Minocin. It's worth more than a try. It's worth DOING. Take care -- you're in the right place. I was skeptical in the beginning (10 years ago! :-) and I understand any hesitation you may have. The great thing is that now a days, if you urge your doctor to do the research he/she will find evidence that supports the use of antibiotics in RA -- and related diseases. Go for it! ~Connie :-) > > Please note, , the antibiotic protocol detailed on www.rheumatic.org deals with the cause of your disease while the Plaquenil is used to only treat the symptoms. It may take several weeks to work, but then too, for some people it doesn't work at all. > > Some doctors prescribe Plaquenil to try and reduce the inflammation until the antibiotic therapy kicks in. > > The antibiotic therapy takes time - sometimes as much as 3 to 5 years, and for most is not an easy road. It may require more than swallowing pills. We call it the three steps forward, two steps backward protocol, but eventually you will see the light at the end of the tunnel. > > This group is here to help you on your road back to wellness. > > > Ethel > > > <rheumatic > > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:00 AM > Subject: rheumatic Re: Now What? > > > > You guys are all great. I will be fine and I will get the Minocin > > sooner or later. I was really freaking out yesterday but feel > > better this morning. We did stop the Methotrexate and I am going to > > stay off of that for a few weeks before trying the Plaquenil. I > > really want to let my system clear out for a bit. I am also going > > to concentrate on my diet. I have an elimination diet I will start > > so that I can pin point which foods bother my condition. Those > > foods I will stay away from. Plaquenil I will give a shot and pray > > it doesn't cause me any problems however, the AP I will find a way > > to try. I just have to know if it will work for me. > > > > This group is great and so informative but most of all just having > > people to talk to about something that most people don't understand > > is really important to me. My husband doesn't understand why I > > don't just " move forward and not worry about it " . I am still newly > > diagnosed with whatever label they want to give (or should I say > > keep changing) and my counselor said I am in a grieving stage. DUH > > just wish my hubby would understand that and let me get through it > > without getting mad. Sorry to vent the personal stuff but that is > > part of why I am feeling so bad. > > > > I pray everyone a painfree and joyful day. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Thank you, Ute. I don't mind " too much " if someone; for example, is taking Mtx AND an antibiotic because at times another med. is needed. I do grit my teeth when antibiotics are nowhere to be seen, heard. We have such a hard time getting physicians to follow the protocol and trying to educate people on the AP that it is not appropriate, IMO, to discuss other medical treatments that folks have chosen to follow. No question AP will not work for 100% of people 100% of the time. > Hi there, > If you go to the Rheumatic home page on , you will see the description > of what the purpose of the list is. > I copied this " mission statement " so we can have clarity > > " Discussion on the use of long term low dosage of antibiotics for the > treatment of auto-immune diseases such as Scleroderma, Lupus, Rheumatoid > Arthritis (RA), Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Polymyositis, > Dermatomyositis, Psoriatic Arthritis, Ankylosing Spondylitis, and Reiter's > Syndrome. A) " > > Best to all, > Ute -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 8/29/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Why not try some DMSA ? It is cheap and is good for LEAD and other metals that ALA doesn't do as well with. We had really good luck with DMSA and since she is doing ALA chelation anyway it would be easy. Good Luck ! Neil _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mmc2315 Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Now what? > > > > Make sure she knows not to do a challenge test. Has she had a hair test done? That would help her determine if other metals are an issue. > S S > Chiming in, as Nell's friend is my friend too. Yes, she knows not to do a challenge test. Her son's hair test was high-ish in antimony, which from my understanding is a marker for mercury problems. (Hair test results at bottom of post). She is doubting her son's initial improvements with chelation (maybe it was a coincidence and it's not mercury afterall) because he has not, in her observation, continued to improve. She understands there is stall/regression period, and at 12 months chelation she had expected to see further improvements. She also understands that slow improvements can come back between 9-15 months, but she needs *something* to keep going (with chelation) or she may throw in the towel. Compounding the problem is (understandably) exhaustion and frustration and financial strains. So, in choosing her next step, whatever that may be, she doesn't want to feel like it's a stab in the dark, another dead end, more money down the drain without results. Right now, she is not feeling hopeful about getting help from an MD---finding a good one, cost, and return on money spent. In her case, can anyone recommend a next step which may give her some hope and some return on her time and money? She is thinking about doing a urine test for heavy metals after a round of ALA, figuring that if *any* mercury comes out, that is a good sign. in Illinois POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS element result ref range color ============================================= aluminum 8.1 <8.0 yellow antimony 0.18 <0.066 yellow arsenic 0.048 <0.080 <none> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 green bismuth 0.11 <0.12 green cadmium 0.27 <0.15 yellow lead 0.97 <1.0 green mercury 0.18 <0.40 green platinum <0.003 <0.005 <none> thallium <0.001 <o.o1o <none> thorium <0.001 <0.005 <none> uranium 0.084 <0.060 yellow nickel 0.15 <0.40 green silver 0.10 <0.13 green tin 0.39 <0.30 yellow titanium 0.46 <1.0 green ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS element result ref range color under/over 50% ======================================================= ===== Calcium 817 160-500 yellow over Magnesium 94 12-50 yellow over Sodium 41 12-90 white over Potassium 33 10-40 green over Copper 11 0.9-30 green under Zinc 190 10-190 green over Manganese 0.22 0.18-0.60 green under Chromium 0.36 0.23-0.50 green over Vanadium 0.037 0.025-0.19 green under Molybdenum 0.058 0.040-0.089 white over Boron 2.9 0.50-3.5 green over Iodine 0.43 0.25-1.3 green under Lithium 0.010 0.007-0.023 white at 50% Phosphorus 182 160-250 green under Selenium 0.68 0.95-1.7 yellow under Strontium 4.8 0.21-2.1 yellow over Sulfur 52600 45500-53000 green over Barium 1.2 0.19-1.6 green over Cobalt 0.019 0.013-0.035 green under Iron 11 6.0-17 green over Germanium 0.035 0.045-0.065 yellow under Rubidium 0.041 0.008-0.080 green over Zirconium 0.18 0.060-0.70 green under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 , I asked Andy about this and he said that frequency of chelation makes no difference in how long the stall lasts. Rene > > It really is important to find out which protocol this mom was using as if she was using a 3/11 protocol her child could still be in the stall period. And I suppose you could find people who use less frequent protocol than this. But the stall period would have to be different or last a longer period of time for people using the 3/11 or less, than the people who use the 3/4, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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