Re: Confusing results from Diagnos-Techs

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Can you post your saliva cortiosl testing? With ranges please.

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Hm. I wonder if that is why I reacted so badly to the Progesterone cream I

tried? Sorry to but in, but I didn't know that you needed to stabilize

cortisol/thyroid before adding sex hormones!

Re: Confusing results from Diagnos-Techs

>>I'm the " patient " that has been trying to add in estrogen or

progesterone and ending up with " racing/revving " with either seems

like and also elevated androgens, TSI.<<

What androgens are elevated? Estrogen is an androgen. Quite possibly it is too

early in treatment to add in ANY sex hormns as the thyroid and adrenal have to

be CLOSE befreo the body will utilize them correctly.

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Sure:

Here they are:

Most a.m. serum levels since June

have been mid-range; 14.5,8.5(9;30am),13.2, 7.6 (noon), 11.6. I

haven't had a recent urinary, but cortisol and metabolites are

low/low normal with higher cortisone levels. Serum androgen levels

have typically been high/high normal, but DHEAs level finally coming

down (144) on last serum. Last ASI from Diagnos-Techs is as below:

7-8A - 3 Depressed (13-24)

11-12 - 4 Depressed (5-10)*

4-5 = 2 Depressed (3-8)*

11-Midnight - 2 (1-4)

Cortisol Burden 11 Depressed (23-42)

DHEA - 6 (3-10)

won't bother you with sex hormone levels; they're low but 17-OHP had

dropped from mid-high 20's to non-detectable at <15 (that may

actually be a good thing since it may be that I'm converting to

androgens, not cortisol as Jefferies discusses). Also, free T was

high/high normal.

HOWEVER..and here is the inconsistency; here are levels from late

September:

Free Cortisol Range

8:00A - 34 Elevated 13-24

Noon - <1* depressed 5-10

4:00 - <1* depressed 3-8

Midnight - 10 Elevated 1-4

*further investigation warranted (note: I believe I did these

correctly)

DHEA - 6 Normal (values have remained consistent on salivary, but

DHEAs levels are high to high normal in serum)

Insulin values depressed

17-OH progesterone low normal

SigA depressed

Postive for anti-gliadin Abs

So sorry this is so long and complicated.

And thanks for your help..Happy New Year!

Avi

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> Can you post your saliva cortiosl testing? With ranges please.

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First were you taking any HC or other adrenal support in the two weeks

prior to testing? Whta have you bveen using for adrenal support? It

seems it is not working ! You have ogne from early stages to more

advanced stages.

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Val:

I'm not using anything but sea salt, Vit C, trying to get lots of

rest and good nutrition. I've had these issues pretty much for

close to 4 years now. I didn't post it, but an early '07 saliva

from Diagnos-Techs was everything low/low normal also except DHT

which was 4 times the optimal for a woman.

I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, I SHOULD use..Almost

looks like I go from Cushing's levels back to blown out. Again, I'm

sure shrinks would call it bipolar/rapid cycling.

I feel more wired [usually] than tired and I sleep okay. I

definitely don't want to add in anything that will " wire " me further.

Avi

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> First were you taking any HC or other adrenal support in the two

weeks

> prior to testing? Whta have you bveen using for adrenal support?

It

> seems it is not working ! You have ogne from early stages to more

> advanced stages.

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Val:

I should add that blood sugar (I have a home monitor) is all over

the place, with post-meals being as high as 180's; fastings from mid-

8o's to low 100's. Temps generally stay low, but around mid-month

and end of month climb back up a little. I take 1 and 1/8 gr of

Armour and I can't add anymore in without feeling too

wired/hotflashes. Also, I have to take iron intermittently as I

seem to sometimes get " hyper " from that. Folic acid..forget it, it

works like the estrogen to wire me up. I have both Graves (TSI) as

well as Hashi's (TPO) Ab's.

Avi

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> First were you taking any HC or other adrenal support in the two

weeks

> prior to testing? Whta have you bveen using for adrenal support?

It

> seems it is not working ! You have ogne from early stages to more

> advanced stages.

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I am too busy at work righjt now I will post a reply when i get hoem

this afternoon.

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