Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 I wrote you earlier can you check your Yahoo email account to see if oyu got it? I do nto believe this is a thyrid dump at all. It is feedback loop from the low dose of HC you are taking. You may need ot go up MUCH faster than the ramp up schedule especuially as oyu are not taking any thyroid now. If oyu have these panicy feelings again, and I am betting oyu wil, take more HC. It is adrenaline dumping into your body from low cortiosl doing this. Often when starting HC and the adrenals very weak as yours are, all it does is lowers your ACTh adn thus leaves you even lower in cortiosl. The trick then is to take enough to cover this. You may need ot take it ever 2-3 hours at first as it does not last long in the body. Just low doses when taking it that often, but when you feel shaky or especially any nausea take some RIGHT then. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 I wrote you earlier can you check your Yahoo email account to see if oyu got it? I do nto believe this is a thyrid dump at all. It is feedback loop from the low dose of HC you are taking. You may need ot go up MUCH faster than the ramp up schedule especuially as oyu are not taking any thyroid now. If oyu have these panicy feelings again, and I am betting oyu wil, take more HC. It is adrenaline dumping into your body from low cortiosl doing this. Often when starting HC and the adrenals very weak as yours are, all it does is lowers your ACTh adn thus leaves you even lower in cortiosl. The trick then is to take enough to cover this. You may need ot take it ever 2-3 hours at first as it does not last long in the body. Just low doses when taking it that often, but when you feel shaky or especially any nausea take some RIGHT then. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 thank you... how high can I go.. I am only takign 2.5mg x 3 right now. Ist here a limit? > > I wrote you earlier can you check your Yahoo email account to see if oyu > got it? I do nto believe this is a thyrid dump at all. It is feedback > loop from the low dose of HC you are taking. You may need ot go up MUCH > faster than the ramp up schedule especuially as oyu are not taking any > thyroid now. If oyu have these panicy feelings again, and I am betting > oyu wil, take more HC. It is adrenaline dumping into your body from low > cortiosl doing this. Often when starting HC and the adrenals very weak > as yours are, all it does is lowers your ACTh adn thus leaves you even > lower in cortiosl. The trick then is to take enough to cover this. You > may need ot take it ever 2-3 hours at first as it does not last long in > the body. Just low doses when taking it that often, but when you feel > shaky or especially any nausea take some RIGHT then. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Hi Wondering1111 - do you have a name we may call you? You are very hypo. How long have you been on HC? If you were not on HC the last time you tried Armour, I think it would be safe to try it again, now that you are starting to support your adrenals. in OH Val.. phil sent me Hope you can read PM I sent. I sent it prior to knowing I should post all messages in here. After reading... I sent note yesterday and last night woke up with the most extreme panic attack imaginable - was paralyzed in my bed and thought I was goign ot die. Maybe another Thyroid dump, but how many of those can I have. After 20 minutes or so.. was able to stumble to phone and called 911.. spent sleepless night in Emergency room - of course they just want to make sure ur not dying.. but they did run TSH test and it was higher than any I have had - 6.1. I am NOT on any Armour yet as evern 1/4 dose took me for a ride. So I imgine higher TSH may be indicative of thyroid emptying my bllod and revealign true hypo case. Anyways - right now I am on 2.5mg HC dose 3 times a day - trying to follow schedule on STTM, but cant wait to be able to sepped up and also get on Armour. This must end . cant imagine a more torturous feelignthan lats night and cant imagine going thru that again. Help me please. God bless and Merry Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 when u say take some right then.. how much and how often can I do this? what abotu a full blown panic attack? > > I wrote you earlier can you check your Yahoo email account to see if oyu > got it? I do nto believe this is a thyrid dump at all. It is feedback > loop from the low dose of HC you are taking. You may need ot go up MUCH > faster than the ramp up schedule especuially as oyu are not taking any > thyroid now. If oyu have these panicy feelings again, and I am betting > oyu wil, take more HC. It is adrenaline dumping into your body from low > cortiosl doing this. Often when starting HC and the adrenals very weak > as yours are, all it does is lowers your ACTh adn thus leaves you even > lower in cortiosl. The trick then is to take enough to cover this. You > may need ot take it ever 2-3 hours at first as it does not last long in > the body. Just low doses when taking it that often, but when you feel > shaky or especially any nausea take some RIGHT then. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dean..I dont feel confident that my adrenals are supported enough yet .. only at 7.mg HC a day right now... but looks like I will go to 10 today... 2.5mg x 4 in stead of 3 times. Val - can i go up 2.5mg a day? > > Hi Wondering1111 - do you have a name we may call you? > You are very hypo. How long have you been on HC? If you were not on HC the last time you tried Armour, I think it would be safe to try it again, now that you are starting to support your adrenals. > > in OH > Val.. phil sent me > > > Hope you can read PM I sent. I sent it prior to knowing I should post > all messages in here. > > After reading... I sent note yesterday and last night woke up with > the most extreme panic attack imaginable - was paralyzed in my bed > and thought I was goign ot die. Maybe another Thyroid dump, but how > many of those can I have. > > After 20 minutes or so.. was able to stumble to phone and called > 911.. spent sleepless night in Emergency room - of course they just > want to make sure ur not dying.. but they did run TSH test and it was > higher than any I have had - 6.1. > > I am NOT on any Armour yet as evern 1/4 dose took me for a ride. So I > imgine higher TSH may be indicative of thyroid emptying my bllod and > revealign true hypo case. > > Anyways - right now I am on 2.5mg HC dose 3 times a day - trying to > follow schedule on STTM, but cant wait to be able to sepped up and > also get on Armour. This must end . cant imagine a more torturous > feelignthan lats night and cant imagine going thru that again. > > Help me please. God bless and Merry Christmas. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 >>thank you... how high can I go.. I am only takign 2.5mg x 3 right now. Ist here a limit?<< Track your body temps. If it starts to go over 99 degrees you have enough in you. Doctors pften prescribe dises such as 60-80MG Daily or even more. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 >>when u say take some right then.. how much and how often can I do this? what abotu a full blown panic attack?<< If you can catch it when you frst feel shaky 2.5-5MG shoudl be enough, if oyu arein a fullblown p[anic attack you may need 10-20MG. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Listen to Val. She knows what she is talking about. Me, I'm still too new to know enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dean..I dont feel confident that my adrenals are supported enough yet .. only at 7.mg HC a day right now... but looks like I will go to 10 today... 2.5mg x 4 in stead of 3 times. Val - can i go up 2.5mg a day? As long as you watch your body temps and they do nto start going too high it is fine to raise it that much you may need to at first anyway to get some reserves in you . -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Val - saw dr. today and she seems conservative on the HC. Told I was finally up to 10mg and may want to go up a bit. At first she said she didnt have a problem with goin up another 2.5mg, but then said " if ur feeling better lets stay with 10mg " . I wonder if deep down she figures I'm gonna go up a bit anyways and figured if she said ok on 12.5mg that I would go to 15mg. They gotta know there is some of that going on with patients. She isnt perfect, but she listens and works with you. I printed out a bunch of stuff from STTM and she said she'd be happy to read. So, I think eventually I will get there with her. She said in a few days to try 1/4 grain of Armour and see how I do for a week and if ok, try upping to 1/2 grain. Somethign tells me, I'm gonna need more HC, but will try 1/4 grain again. I couldnt tolerate ANY Armour b4 HC, so now will try on 12.5mg a day. Maybe when I get to a grain I will need to increase HC. She also gave me a pill that has 2 Amino acids in it, GABA and another one the slips my mind. She said it helps with mood and helps tghe brain promote Dopamine. So will be on that in addition to DHA (concentrated fish oil) Be good. > > Dean..I dont feel confident that my adrenals are supported enough > yet .. only at 7.mg HC a day right now... but looks like I will go to > 10 today... 2.5mg x 4 in stead of 3 times. > > Val - can i go up 2.5mg a day? > > As long as you watch your body temps and they do nto start going too high it is fine to raise it that much you may need to at first anyway to get some reserves in you . > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Val...ok.. so still havent touched Armour and probably wont for a bit. Friday had a bout with late afternoon anxiety, so called dr. She agreed I can go up to 15mg HC. Which I did Fri and Sat. Sat. felt pretty good except for a small bout of anxiety that didnt last long. Went away in evening and FINALLY last night had a pretty good night sleep w/ no anxiety. Today is Sunday and I took 5mg upon waking, 5mg in 4 hours. Went to the store with my mom (this is first tim really out of the house in 5 days).. Felt some anxiety creepign in when we got to the store, so I stayed in the car. It went away right away and havent felt anything since. The fact that I didnt like being in public bothered me (UGGH!!), but my almost immediate recovery after leavign made me feel like I am making progress. It's 4PM and just took another 2.5mg (12.5mg so far today) and we'll see how it goes. Will take another 2.5 in 3.5 to 4 hours. and may even do 2.5mg at bedtime. Which will brign me to 17.5mg for the day. Question... if I feel good on this dose.. how long to I hold before attempting to try 1/4 grain of Armour. I'm off of work until Wed., but may just decide to take an early vacation and finish the entire week resting. Can't be a bad idea. Even if I take all of next week too. Hate to use up 1.5 weeks of vacation right out of the gate, but if this doesnt get taken care of .. I may be taking a lot more. Thanks Val for any thoughts. Thank God for the internet or I wouldnt have figured out what was wrong with me and would be dead by now. Really.. where would we be without it? Take care of yourselves. > > Be very careful wiht the Armoru on that LOW a dose of HC. Most women end > up on 30-35mg a day and men need more! If you can tolerate the Armoru > you may be able to get by it will not likely start when you get higher > it will start bad sympotms right away! > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 >>Question... if I feel good on this dose.. how long to I hold before attempting to try 1/4 grain of Armour.<< The very best way ti tell if you are oin enough cortisl to be able to tolerate thyroidis to graph your temps per www.drrind.com -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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