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I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me. My

insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on my

current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

lower, maybe upper).

On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in the

office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how much

I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience that

even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago) for

70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000. They

would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct 2nd

and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year. I

was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have $3,000

nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

another doc...

Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were well

within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office back

and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they do....

Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we agreed

that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time, but I

think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about this

earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do be

cautious of what your doc's office says...

-Harmony

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I had a similar situation with my surgery. My orthodontist

recommended a surgeon to me, unfortunately he was " out of network " so

I would have to pay 20% of the costs. All of the oral surgeons in my

area who were in the network had very little experience doing major

corrective jaw surgery. Anyway, I had two surgeries done with my " out

of network " doctor and I have never had any trouble with the billing.

As fas as I know, the insurance company can't suddenly change their

policy after they approve the procedure. They told me they would pay

80% and that is exactly what they did. I agree with you, the woman in

the office was probably incorrect. I expect that you'll have no

trouble at all and you'll only have to pay 30%.

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> I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me. My

> insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on my

> current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> lower, maybe upper).

>

> On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

the

> office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

much

> I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

that

> even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

for

> 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

They

> would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct 2nd

> and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year. I

> was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have $3,000

> nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> another doc...

>

> Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were well

> within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office back

> and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

do....

> Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

>

> Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we agreed

> that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time, but

I

> think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

this

> earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do be

> cautious of what your doc's office says...

>

> -Harmony

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Harmony,

I also had a similar situation. My surgeon dropped out of the

network right before I was to have surgery. Fortunately there were

no surgeons in the network within 72 miles so the insurance company

said they would provide in network benefits for the out of network

surgeon. The surgeon's office told me the same thing yours told

you. They said the insurance company only pays 50% and I would have

to pay the difference. I only had to put down 10% ($1500)and I could

pay the difference over time. My insurance company on the other hand

assured me they would pay 90%. They also said my total out of pocket

was only $500 and they would pay %100 after that. I am three weeks

post op and still haven't seen how the insurance company is actually

paying. I hope the insurance company keeps their word and I get

$1000 back from my surgeon! Am I dreaming?

Terri

> I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me. My

> insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on my

> current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> lower, maybe upper).

>

> On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

the

> office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

much

> I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

that

> even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

for

> 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

They

> would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct 2nd

> and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year. I

> was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have $3,000

> nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> another doc...

>

> Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were well

> within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office back

> and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

do....

> Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

>

> Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we agreed

> that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time, but

I

> think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

this

> earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do be

> cautious of what your doc's office says...

>

> -Harmony

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Harmony,

I also had a similar situation. My surgeon dropped out of the

network right before I was to have surgery. Fortunately there were

no surgeons in the network within 72 miles so the insurance company

said they would provide in network benefits for the out of network

surgeon. The surgeon's office told me the same thing yours told

you. They said the insurance company only pays 50% and I would have

to pay the difference. I only had to put down 10% ($1500)and I could

pay the difference over time. My insurance company on the other hand

assured me they would pay 90%. They also said my total out of pocket

was only $500 and they would pay %100 after that. I am three weeks

post op and still haven't seen how the insurance company is actually

paying. I hope the insurance company keeps their word and I get

$1000 back from my surgeon! Am I dreaming?

Terri

> I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me. My

> insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on my

> current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> lower, maybe upper).

>

> On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

the

> office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

much

> I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

that

> even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

for

> 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

They

> would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct 2nd

> and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year. I

> was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have $3,000

> nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> another doc...

>

> Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were well

> within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office back

> and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

do....

> Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

>

> Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we agreed

> that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time, but

I

> think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

this

> earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do be

> cautious of what your doc's office says...

>

> -Harmony

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Terri,

Unfortunately, there are other " in network " doctors in my area. I

was just extremely upset that my doctor's staff waited until 2 weeks

before surgery to tell me this. I feel like they should have said

something right away. I also just did not feel like it was right for

them to automatically charge me as my insurance only paying 50% when

they don't know for sure either.

Well, it sounds like your situation is better. I hope it all works

out for you and you do get your $1000 back! Good Luck! I hope your

healing is going well!

> > I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me.

My

> > insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on

my

> > current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> > paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> > lower, maybe upper).

> >

> > On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

> the

> > office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

> much

> > I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

> that

> > even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

> for

> > 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> > payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

> They

> > would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct

2nd

> > and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year.

I

> > was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have

$3,000

> > nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> > upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> > another doc...

> >

> > Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> > charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were

well

> > within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> > necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office

back

> > and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> > couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

> do....

> > Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

> >

> > Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we

agreed

> > that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> > problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time,

but

> I

> > think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

> this

> > earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do

be

> > cautious of what your doc's office says...

> >

> > -Harmony

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Terri,

Unfortunately, there are other " in network " doctors in my area. I

was just extremely upset that my doctor's staff waited until 2 weeks

before surgery to tell me this. I feel like they should have said

something right away. I also just did not feel like it was right for

them to automatically charge me as my insurance only paying 50% when

they don't know for sure either.

Well, it sounds like your situation is better. I hope it all works

out for you and you do get your $1000 back! Good Luck! I hope your

healing is going well!

> > I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me.

My

> > insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on

my

> > current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> > paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> > lower, maybe upper).

> >

> > On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

> the

> > office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

> much

> > I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

> that

> > even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

> for

> > 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> > payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

> They

> > would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct

2nd

> > and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year.

I

> > was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have

$3,000

> > nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> > upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> > another doc...

> >

> > Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> > charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were

well

> > within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> > necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office

back

> > and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> > couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

> do....

> > Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

> >

> > Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we

agreed

> > that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> > problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time,

but

> I

> > think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

> this

> > earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do

be

> > cautious of what your doc's office says...

> >

> > -Harmony

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Terri,

Unfortunately, there are other " in network " doctors in my area. I

was just extremely upset that my doctor's staff waited until 2 weeks

before surgery to tell me this. I feel like they should have said

something right away. I also just did not feel like it was right for

them to automatically charge me as my insurance only paying 50% when

they don't know for sure either.

Well, it sounds like your situation is better. I hope it all works

out for you and you do get your $1000 back! Good Luck! I hope your

healing is going well!

> > I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me.

My

> > insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on

my

> > current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> > paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> > lower, maybe upper).

> >

> > On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

> the

> > office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

> much

> > I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

> that

> > even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

> for

> > 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> > payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

> They

> > would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct

2nd

> > and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year.

I

> > was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have

$3,000

> > nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> > upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> > another doc...

> >

> > Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> > charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were

well

> > within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> > necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office

back

> > and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> > couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

> do....

> > Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

> >

> > Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we

agreed

> > that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> > problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time,

but

> I

> > think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

> this

> > earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do

be

> > cautious of what your doc's office says...

> >

> > -Harmony

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Terri,

Unfortunately, there are other " in network " doctors in my area. I

was just extremely upset that my doctor's staff waited until 2 weeks

before surgery to tell me this. I feel like they should have said

something right away. I also just did not feel like it was right for

them to automatically charge me as my insurance only paying 50% when

they don't know for sure either.

Well, it sounds like your situation is better. I hope it all works

out for you and you do get your $1000 back! Good Luck! I hope your

healing is going well!

> > I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me.

My

> > insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on

my

> > current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> > paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> > lower, maybe upper).

> >

> > On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

> the

> > office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

> much

> > I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

> that

> > even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

> for

> > 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> > payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

> They

> > would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct

2nd

> > and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year.

I

> > was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have

$3,000

> > nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> > upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> > another doc...

> >

> > Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> > charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were

well

> > within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> > necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office

back

> > and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> > couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

> do....

> > Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

> >

> > Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we

agreed

> > that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> > problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time,

but

> I

> > think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

> this

> > earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do

be

> > cautious of what your doc's office says...

> >

> > -Harmony

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And another, Harmony...

Get it in writing, from your insurance company. If you have a

document to present, you're better off than if you report a verbal

conversation.

This stuff is so quirky. I'd bet that your surgeon's insurance person

knows what will happen, and that you'll need documentation to get the

$$$ from the insurance company. They should not mind giving you a

name of a person and a statement, if they're playing straight with

you.

Good wishes. It's difficult to navigate these problems, without more

bureaucratic complications.

Cammie

> I really like my oral surgeon. He did a SARPE last year on me. My

> insurance changed in January and he was then " out of network " on my

> current plan. I like him a lot though and decided it was worth

> paying a little extra to get him to do this one too (definately

> lower, maybe upper).

>

> On Thursday, I went in for pre-op x-rays and photos. The lady in

the

> office that handles the insurance wanted to talk to me about how

much

> I would need to pay. She told me that in their past experience

that

> even though I was approved by the insurance company (5 weeks ago)

for

> 70% and I would have to pay 30%, that they tend to only get 50%

> payment from them. That means that I would have to pay $7,000.

They

> would need a $3,000 deposit from me prior to my surgery on Oct 2nd

> and the remaining $4,000 would have to be paid out over a year. I

> was in shock. I was not expecting that much. I don't have $3,000

> nor can I come up with it in less than two weeks. I left really

> upset and frustrated. I don't want to start over later or with

> another doc...

>

> Well, I called the insurance company with the CPT (?) codes and

> charges for the surgery. The insuance company said they were well

> within the limit of what they consider to be " reasonable and

> necessary " and they would pay 70%. I called my doctors office back

> and explained to the lady what the company told me. She said she

> couldn't believe they said that because that is not what they

do....

> Well, I am sorry but I am not going to take her word for it.

>

> Anyhow, in the end, she talked to my doctor about it and we agreed

> that I would pay my 30% which is a $4,000 max. I didn't have any

> problems with them last year so I didn't expect any this time, but

I

> think if I had things to do over again, I would have asked about

this

> earlier. Hopefully none of you have this problem but please do be

> cautious of what your doc's office says...

>

> -Harmony

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Oh, guys. Anything can change at any moment. Your insurance company

can change, if your employer decides to drop one and substitute

another. The coverage can change. You can change jobs, and insurance

companies. That pre-approval is no guarantee.

It's helpful, but you gotta stay on top of this. I say the above not

because I had any troubles at all. My own insurance company has been

wonderful. But others have had nightmares about what would be covered

and what would not.

Just read your policies, seek help from your doc's insurance

specialists, and be prepared to fight if you must. Many folks have,

and many folks have won approval after several denials.

Cammie

> I had a similar situation with my surgery. My orthodontist

> recommended a surgeon to me, unfortunately he was " out of network "

so

> I would have to pay 20% of the costs. All of the oral surgeons in

my

> area who were in the network had very little experience doing major

> corrective jaw surgery. Anyway, I had two surgeries done with

my " out

> of network " doctor and I have never had any trouble with the

billing.

> As fas as I know, the insurance company can't suddenly change their

> policy after they approve the procedure. They told me they would

pay

> 80% and that is exactly what they did. I agree with you, the woman

in

> the office was probably incorrect. I expect that you'll have no

> trouble at all and you'll only have to pay 30%.

>

> -

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