Re: Labs back Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

November 19, 2004

HI Nicky and glad you have been checking us out! Your situation is

similar to someone who just posted yesterday or so--high lab numbers

but no hyper symptoms. That is EXACTLY why everyone has to use labs

as " interesting " but NOT as an infallible Bible of Thyroid

diagnosis. Before the TSH came out in 1975, and when most folks were

still on Armour, you were dosed by SYMPTOMS and NOT labs. And it

worked.

Yes, antibodies can skew results, so it will be interesting for you

to know about them. But also, you could have thyroid hormone

resistance, and the " solution " is simply to take high amounts of

Armour, or even add T3 to your Armour.

I doubt your situation is low adrenals, and many folks tend to jump

on that wagon. Don't do that.....yet.

Have you had your Ferritin tested? Many hypo folks have low Ferritin

(storage iron), and it can cause the exact symptoms you describe---

brain fog, achiness, hair loss. Some of us even have to take iron

daily to PREVENT the Ferritin from lowering.

So do the antibodies, and do the Ferritin and don't worry about

those labs.

Janie

>

> Hi All,

> I've been lurking for a long time, have been reading lots and

> gaining lots of information!!! I have been Hypo for over eight

> years, was on Levothyroxine for most of that time (150mcgs) until

> recently when I went private and even managed to get my GP to

> prescribe Armour!!! YAY!!! Private Doc also diagnosed Candida and

> put me on a Anti-candida diet.

>

> Thought that was the end of all my troubles!!! LOL! Was feeling

> great, I started feeling a difference as soon as I started taking

> the Armour. However, about six-eight weeks ago I started feeling

> lousy, tired, hair started falling out etc. I upped my Armour

from

> 2 1/2 grains to 3 as I wasn't showing any Hyper signs!!

> Labs from June were

> TSH 0.02 range (0.35- 5.50)

> Serum Free T4 19.8 range (10-23)

> serum free T3 5.1 range (3.5-6.5)

>

> That was whilst on 150mcgs Levothyroxine. I still kept gaining

> weight, brain fog, tiredness etc.

>

> New bloods as of yesterday!!!!

> T4 159 range (59-154)

> TSH 0.01 range (0.27-4.2)

> free T4 26,4 range (12-22)

> free T3 14.6 range (4-6.8)

> T3 5.3 range (3.1)

> I'm wondering if they should have done a reverse T3??

> I'm still waiting for the results of the antibodies as I know they

> can skew the results can't they?

>

> Now I know that by these results I look like I'm Hyper. I don't

> feel Hyper. I don't have the shakes, I don't have any

palpitations,

> I don't have any diarrhoea, My weight has stabilised (lost a fair

> amount on the anti-candida diet) but it still goes up really easy!

> Still have cold extremities, have brain fog back (not as bad but

> it's definately there)LOL!! Headaches, achy back, and the loss of

> hair!!! Body tenperature is between 96.6 - 97.1

>

> Any help or info from you out there would be great. The Dr is

going

> to be phoning me later to discuss what we are going to do, but I

> would like to sound a bit knowledgeable, so anything would help!!!

> regards

> Nicky xx

November 19, 2004

I think the cause is that you have a little adrenal fatigue causing

thyroid to build up in the blood. You cannot overdose on anything

less than what your healthy thyroid would make, which is about 4-1/2

to 5 grains. This is because the pituitary will slow production of

TSH and drop production of the thyroid to keep you at or under what

is healthy for you. Any time you get high numbers at doses less than

about 4 grains, it is usually due to something going on that is

preventing your body from using the thyroid and getting it into

tissues. This can be low adrenal output, anemia, glucose issues and

inadequate nutrition problems.

I'd be willing to bet that you had your last tests in the morning

when cortisol demands are double the rest of the day. This would be

a common time for cortisol levels to be a bit low in adrenal

fatigue. Then thyroid would be building up in your blood, but by

afternoon, cortisol normalizes and gets where it's going.

You can go quite high on thyroid before overdosing, at least to the

point where you get to what your healthy thyroid would make. So, 3

grains is not there yet. I would not worry at all about these

numbers except that maybe you need to reduce stress or take a little

adrenal support for a little while.

Also, the best dose for thyroid is the one that makes you feel good.

That is the top priority.

Tish

November 19, 2004

>I would not worry at all about these numbers except that maybe you

need to reduce stress or take a little adrenal support for a little

while.

Oops. Let's first get you to test your Ferritin, Nicky, and if you

want more info, do a 24 hour saliva adrenal test (see ZRT in the

LINKS section) before adding adrenal support. Too many folks here

jump on the adrenal support bandwagon and end up not needing it.

Janie )

November 20, 2004

Hi Janie,

Thanks for replying, I get my antibodies results back at the end of

next week. That was how I was originally diagnosed after three

years of borderlinr results!!!

I had my Ferritin tested in June 04 and it was 171 tange (10-170)

so I don't think that will be the problem, however, I do realise

that it may have dropped. What worries me is that I am aware that

Hyper symptoms can 'mirror' Hypo symptoms. As I've gone from

feeling really great to feeling not so good again, I'm wondering if

they're right. I'm also wondering if, now I've lost 2 1/2 stone on

the anti-candida diet if I now need a lower dose of Armour?

I don't know,just when u think you've got it sussed!!.......

>

> HI Nicky and glad you have been checking us out! Your situation is

> similar to someone who just posted yesterday or so--high lab

numbers

> but no hyper symptoms. That is EXACTLY why everyone has to use

labs

> as " interesting " but NOT as an infallible Bible of Thyroid

> diagnosis. Before the TSH came out in 1975, and when most folks

were

> still on Armour, you were dosed by SYMPTOMS and NOT labs. And it

> worked.

>

> Yes, antibodies can skew results, so it will be interesting for

you

> to know about them. But also, you could have thyroid hormone

> resistance, and the " solution " is simply to take high amounts of

> Armour, or even add T3 to your Armour.

>

> I doubt your situation is low adrenals, and many folks tend to

jump

> on that wagon. Don't do that.....yet.

>

> Have you had your Ferritin tested? Many hypo folks have low

Ferritin

> (storage iron), and it can cause the exact symptoms you describe---

> brain fog, achiness, hair loss. Some of us even have to take iron

> daily to PREVENT the Ferritin from lowering.

>

> So do the antibodies, and do the Ferritin and don't worry about

> those labs.

>

> Janie

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I've been lurking for a long time, have been reading lots and

> > gaining lots of information!!! I have been Hypo for over eight

> > years, was on Levothyroxine for most of that time (150mcgs)

until

> > recently when I went private and even managed to get my GP to

> > prescribe Armour!!! YAY!!! Private Doc also diagnosed Candida

and

> > put me on a Anti-candida diet.

> >

> > Thought that was the end of all my troubles!!! LOL! Was feeling

> > great, I started feeling a difference as soon as I started

taking

> > the Armour. However, about six-eight weeks ago I started

feeling

> > lousy, tired, hair started falling out etc. I upped my Armour

> from

> > 2 1/2 grains to 3 as I wasn't showing any Hyper signs!!

> > Labs from June were

> > TSH 0.02 range (0.35- 5.50)

> > Serum Free T4 19.8 range (10-23)

> > serum free T3 5.1 range (3.5-6.5)

> >

> > That was whilst on 150mcgs Levothyroxine. I still kept gaining

> > weight, brain fog, tiredness etc.

> >

> > New bloods as of yesterday!!!!

> > T4 159 range (59-154)

> > TSH 0.01 range (0.27-4.2)

> > free T4 26,4 range (12-22)

> > free T3 14.6 range (4-6.8)

> > T3 5.3 range (3.1)

> > I'm wondering if they should have done a reverse T3??

> > I'm still waiting for the results of the antibodies as I know

they

> > can skew the results can't they?

> >

> > Now I know that by these results I look like I'm Hyper. I don't

> > feel Hyper. I don't have the shakes, I don't have any

> palpitations,

> > I don't have any diarrhoea, My weight has stabilised (lost a

fair

> > amount on the anti-candida diet) but it still goes up really

easy!

> > Still have cold extremities, have brain fog back (not as bad but

> > it's definately there)LOL!! Headaches, achy back, and the loss

of

> > hair!!! Body tenperature is between 96.6 - 97.1

> >

> > Any help or info from you out there would be great. The Dr is

> going

> > to be phoning me later to discuss what we are going to do, but I

> > would like to sound a bit knowledgeable, so anything would

help!!!

> > regards

> > Nicky xx

November 20, 2004

Hi Janie,

Thanks for replying, I get my antibodies results back at the end of

next week. That was how I was originally diagnosed after three

years of borderlinr results!!!

I had my Ferritin tested in June 04 and it was 171 tange (10-170)

so I don't think that will be the problem, however, I do realise

that it may have dropped. What worries me is that I am aware that

Hyper symptoms can 'mirror' Hypo symptoms. As I've gone from

feeling really great to feeling not so good again, I'm wondering if

they're right. I'm also wondering if, now I've lost 2 1/2 stone on

the anti-candida diet if I now need a lower dose of Armour?

I don't know,just when u think you've got it sussed!!.......

>

> HI Nicky and glad you have been checking us out! Your situation is

> similar to someone who just posted yesterday or so--high lab

numbers

> but no hyper symptoms. That is EXACTLY why everyone has to use

labs

> as " interesting " but NOT as an infallible Bible of Thyroid

> diagnosis. Before the TSH came out in 1975, and when most folks

were

> still on Armour, you were dosed by SYMPTOMS and NOT labs. And it

> worked.

>

> Yes, antibodies can skew results, so it will be interesting for

you

> to know about them. But also, you could have thyroid hormone

> resistance, and the " solution " is simply to take high amounts of

> Armour, or even add T3 to your Armour.

>

> I doubt your situation is low adrenals, and many folks tend to

jump

> on that wagon. Don't do that.....yet.

>

> Have you had your Ferritin tested? Many hypo folks have low

Ferritin

> (storage iron), and it can cause the exact symptoms you describe---

> brain fog, achiness, hair loss. Some of us even have to take iron

> daily to PREVENT the Ferritin from lowering.

>

> So do the antibodies, and do the Ferritin and don't worry about

> those labs.

>

> Janie

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I've been lurking for a long time, have been reading lots and

> > gaining lots of information!!! I have been Hypo for over eight

> > years, was on Levothyroxine for most of that time (150mcgs)

until

> > recently when I went private and even managed to get my GP to

> > prescribe Armour!!! YAY!!! Private Doc also diagnosed Candida

and

> > put me on a Anti-candida diet.

> >

> > Thought that was the end of all my troubles!!! LOL! Was feeling

> > great, I started feeling a difference as soon as I started

taking

> > the Armour. However, about six-eight weeks ago I started

feeling

> > lousy, tired, hair started falling out etc. I upped my Armour

> from

> > 2 1/2 grains to 3 as I wasn't showing any Hyper signs!!

> > Labs from June were

> > TSH 0.02 range (0.35- 5.50)

> > Serum Free T4 19.8 range (10-23)

> > serum free T3 5.1 range (3.5-6.5)

> >

> > That was whilst on 150mcgs Levothyroxine. I still kept gaining

> > weight, brain fog, tiredness etc.

> >

> > New bloods as of yesterday!!!!

> > T4 159 range (59-154)

> > TSH 0.01 range (0.27-4.2)

> > free T4 26,4 range (12-22)

> > free T3 14.6 range (4-6.8)

> > T3 5.3 range (3.1)

> > I'm wondering if they should have done a reverse T3??

> > I'm still waiting for the results of the antibodies as I know

they

> > can skew the results can't they?

> >

> > Now I know that by these results I look like I'm Hyper. I don't

> > feel Hyper. I don't have the shakes, I don't have any

> palpitations,

> > I don't have any diarrhoea, My weight has stabilised (lost a

fair

> > amount on the anti-candida diet) but it still goes up really

easy!

> > Still have cold extremities, have brain fog back (not as bad but

> > it's definately there)LOL!! Headaches, achy back, and the loss

of

> > hair!!! Body tenperature is between 96.6 - 97.1

> >

> > Any help or info from you out there would be great. The Dr is

> going

> > to be phoning me later to discuss what we are going to do, but I

> > would like to sound a bit knowledgeable, so anything would

help!!!

> > regards

> > Nicky xx

November 20, 2004

Hi Janie,

I do have a lot of stress going on in my life at the moment. Lots

of realationship problems, financial etc!!

My Doc has prescribed me something homeopathic to try & help me

through that, whether that will help or not I am unsure. The other

problem is that I am feeling a little depressed. That could be what

is making me feel more tired, litltle brain fog etc. What worries

me is that I've already paid £110 for this lot of blood tests from

my Private Doc. I could go to my GP but I know these results are

going to really freak her out & as I've onl;y just got her to

Prescribe Armour on the NHS I don't want her to start going into

one!!! I will have a look in the links section to see about bloods

there but I don't want to rush straight into anything just yet.

OH YES, I'VE JUST THOUGHT WHAT ELSE MAY HAVE SKEWED THE RESULTS. i

TOOK 2 GRAINS OF MY ARMOUR AT ABOUT 8AM THAT MORNING PRIOR TO HAVING

THE BLOODS TAKENAT ABOUT 12PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOULD THAT HAVE CAUSED THEM TO BE SO HIGH???

>

> >I would not worry at all about these numbers except that maybe

you

> need to reduce stress or take a little adrenal support for a

little

> while.

>

> Oops. Let's first get you to test your Ferritin, Nicky, and if you

> want more info, do a 24 hour saliva adrenal test (see ZRT in the

> LINKS section) before adding adrenal support. Too many folks here

> jump on the adrenal support bandwagon and end up not needing it.

>

> Janie )

November 20, 2004