Re: Antibodyies increased with Armour?

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In a message dated 11/20/2004 6:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

squirrel.studio@... writes:

> , but

> these can destroy brain cells if the thyroid gland had already been

> destroyed.

ya know - you have to think about " studies " pretty carefully. This study

could actually be underdosed folks who have suffered permanent brain damage from

undertreated hypo. That is believeable. Thyroid antibodies attacking brain

matter is suspect.

cindi

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Thyroid antibodies attacking the brain? Sheesh. If this is an *eminent* endo

then no WONDER the rest of 'em are so worthless!

Laurie

Antibodyies increased with Armour?

I was speaking with an eminent endocrinologist the other day who asked me if

I was aware that there was a study which had found that Armour Thyroid (and

this is extremely rare) has been known to actually increase antibodies, but

these can destroy brain cells if the thyroid gland had already been

destroyed. He said that there is something on the Internet but couldn't

remember where this was. He told me this because I had said that I had been

told by a previous endocrinologist that it was not worth testing for

antibodies now because my thyroid gland had already been destroyed by them -

so what was the point. This chap was arguing that it could STILL be

necessary to have further testing to check that antibodies had not suddenly

increased.

I am only passing on what I have been told, I have no evidence of this, but

I do tend to believe what this guy says because he has done a tremendous

amount of research. Has anybody else heard of this. Again, I stress that

he said that this phenomena was EXTREMELY rare.

Luv - Sheila

> Janie, Thank you, I put that in my files.

>

> I looked at some old tests just before I started ARMOUR.....so if

I did not have antibodies then, is it rather likely that I would not

have them now?

Probably not. Janie )

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Sheila, I was reading Shomon's book, Living well with autoimmune disease

last night and ran across something about antibodies. A lot of dr's don't seem

to care which antibodies those of us with thyroid disease have, but.......it

does matter. The antibodies that mean specific thyroid problems if not known,

will not allow you to eat correctly, to help with symptoms. I can't count the

times I read posts all over the message boards where people will ask their dr:

" if I change my diet, will this help? " Most well known Endo's will tell you

" no " . Diet isn't going to change this factor. Guess what? That's not true.

found it true for herself, as well as most of us who don't listen to

mainstream dr's.

I would love to see the 'study' this dr is speaking of, because to my knowledge,

Armour isn't even considered in any studies, because the drug pusher's

(mainstream endos) don't consider it to be 'valid' although we know differently.

The only studies anybody is going to do is going to be on a T4 drug, or a

synthetic T3/T4 combination. Armour won't even figure into it. Now, maybe this

is true of T4 studies. I've heard enuff ridiculous statments from Endo's who

think Armour is 'poison' but there is absolutely no data to back it up. I'm not

even sure why they bother to waste their breath speaking some of the things they

do. They go by what they are told, and that usually comes directly from a drug

rep who isn't out handing out smapes of Armour.

I recently read a study in another country, (i'm in the U.S.) that they found

that there was no reason for anybody to require T3 in a thyroid med replacement,

and we all know that's not true. Too many of us can't function without T3, but

there again, they think that is in our heads. Studies are always done by the

drug companies who stand to benefit the most from it, namely, selling more of

their 'new' drugs which only brings them bigger profits. The endo's are willing

to listen to these tales, and in my opinion, they are just that. I saw

yesterday on TV where Crestor which my husband takes for high cholesterol

shouldn't even be on the market, along with Vioxx, and several other drugs.

Somehow those drugs were allowed on the market for years, even though the

results were devastating. You can bet the person funding those studies for

those drugs had the most to gain.

SandyE~Houston

Antibodyies increased with Armour?

I was speaking with an eminent endocrinologist the other day who asked me if

I was aware that there was a study which had found that Armour Thyroid (and

this is extremely rare) has been known to actually increase antibodies, but

these can destroy brain cells if the thyroid gland had already been

destroyed. He said that there is something on the Internet but couldn't

remember where this was. He told me this because I had said that I had been

told by a previous endocrinologist that it was not worth testing for

antibodies now because my thyroid gland had already been destroyed by them -

so what was the point. This chap was arguing that it could STILL be

necessary to have further testing to check that antibodies had not suddenly

increased.

I am only passing on what I have been told, I have no evidence of this, but

I do tend to believe what this guy says because he has done a tremendous

amount of research. Has anybody else heard of this. Again, I stress that

he said that this phenomena was EXTREMELY rare.

Luv - Sheila

> Janie, Thank you, I put that in my files.

>

> I looked at some old tests just before I started ARMOUR.....so if

I did not have antibodies then, is it rather likely that I would not

have them now?

Probably not. Janie )

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Sheila, I was reading Shomon's book, Living well with autoimmune disease

last night and ran across something about antibodies. A lot of dr's don't seem

to care which antibodies those of us with thyroid disease have, but.......it

does matter. The antibodies that mean specific thyroid problems if not known,

will not allow you to eat correctly, to help with symptoms. I can't count the

times I read posts all over the message boards where people will ask their dr:

" if I change my diet, will this help? " Most well known Endo's will tell you

" no " . Diet isn't going to change this factor. Guess what? That's not true.

found it true for herself, as well as most of us who don't listen to

mainstream dr's.

I would love to see the 'study' this dr is speaking of, because to my knowledge,

Armour isn't even considered in any studies, because the drug pusher's

(mainstream endos) don't consider it to be 'valid' although we know differently.

The only studies anybody is going to do is going to be on a T4 drug, or a

synthetic T3/T4 combination. Armour won't even figure into it. Now, maybe this

is true of T4 studies. I've heard enuff ridiculous statments from Endo's who

think Armour is 'poison' but there is absolutely no data to back it up. I'm not

even sure why they bother to waste their breath speaking some of the things they

do. They go by what they are told, and that usually comes directly from a drug

rep who isn't out handing out smapes of Armour.

I recently read a study in another country, (i'm in the U.S.) that they found

that there was no reason for anybody to require T3 in a thyroid med replacement,

and we all know that's not true. Too many of us can't function without T3, but

there again, they think that is in our heads. Studies are always done by the

drug companies who stand to benefit the most from it, namely, selling more of

their 'new' drugs which only brings them bigger profits. The endo's are willing

to listen to these tales, and in my opinion, they are just that. I saw

yesterday on TV where Crestor which my husband takes for high cholesterol

shouldn't even be on the market, along with Vioxx, and several other drugs.

Somehow those drugs were allowed on the market for years, even though the

results were devastating. You can bet the person funding those studies for

those drugs had the most to gain.

SandyE~Houston

Antibodyies increased with Armour?

I was speaking with an eminent endocrinologist the other day who asked me if

I was aware that there was a study which had found that Armour Thyroid (and

this is extremely rare) has been known to actually increase antibodies, but

these can destroy brain cells if the thyroid gland had already been

destroyed. He said that there is something on the Internet but couldn't

remember where this was. He told me this because I had said that I had been

told by a previous endocrinologist that it was not worth testing for

antibodies now because my thyroid gland had already been destroyed by them -

so what was the point. This chap was arguing that it could STILL be

necessary to have further testing to check that antibodies had not suddenly

increased.

I am only passing on what I have been told, I have no evidence of this, but

I do tend to believe what this guy says because he has done a tremendous

amount of research. Has anybody else heard of this. Again, I stress that

he said that this phenomena was EXTREMELY rare.

Luv - Sheila

> Janie, Thank you, I put that in my files.

>

> I looked at some old tests just before I started ARMOUR.....so if

I did not have antibodies then, is it rather likely that I would not

have them now?

Probably not. Janie )

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