Questions

[Guest guest]

Angie:

Would certainly be happy to answer questions if posted. Post away and I'll

respond.

rpawareness@... wrote:

> hi ll if I made up a list of questions concerning the support group would

> most of you actually answer them/? there re a few things I have had in my

> mind but nbeed to pass it along to the supporttees to see if it will fly

>

> love, hugs and hope

> Angie

> http://www.allplaycollege.com/go.cfm?referredby=rawareness

>

> hi and welcome. maybe we can come up with answers that our doctors can't

[Guest guest]

Angie:

Would certainly be happy to answer questions if posted. Post away and I'll

respond.

rpawareness@... wrote:

> hi ll if I made up a list of questions concerning the support group would

> most of you actually answer them/? there re a few things I have had in my

> mind but nbeed to pass it along to the supporttees to see if it will fly

>

> love, hugs and hope

> Angie

> http://www.allplaycollege.com/go.cfm?referredby=rawareness

>

> hi and welcome. maybe we can come up with answers that our doctors can't

[Guest guest]

hi, i had surgery sept 22 nd and i'm only down 11 lbs - i get a smoothie

from smoothie king called the gladiator and it has 50 grams of protein so i

cover my whole day just with that and if i get extra in food -great - if not

i'm OK --- i'm having more trouble with the water - i hate water but i know

i need it -- i barely eat and this early on i don't get that full feeling -

i'm doing good with baked potatoes but this morning i tried a scrambled egg

and had the worst chest pain as it went down so i only ate half and i had a

yogurt and just water - i'll probably have cream soup or baked potatoe for

lunch and same for dinner.

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-- Questions

I had RYN on the 24th of Sept. I lost 21lbs while in the first two

weeks and then when i started foods it slowed down. I am having

trouble getting all the foods down, I am just not hungry.. Is that

normal? Then i feel like i'm eating all day long to get 60-80gm of

protein.. How much protein is everyone on?

al_sweetiepie

[Guest guest]

congrats on being almost a month out. which prot supplement are you

taking?

lori h.

> I had RYN on the 24th of Sept. I lost 21lbs while in the first two

> weeks and then when i started foods it slowed down. I am having

> trouble getting all the foods down, I am just not hungry.. Is that

> normal? Then i feel like i'm eating all day long to get 60-80gm of

> protein.. How much protein is everyone on?

>

> al_sweetiepie

[Guest guest]

Hi Kris,

I havent had the wls yet but i did have my gallbladder out last

july and had it done lap, out patient so i was only in the hospital

for 23hrs(surgury 6am-released 4am) I have 3 small scares. 2 very

small scares on my right side (that is not noticable) and one on top

of my stomach that is about an inch long. You can still see that one

a little.I was up and about doing my normal things with in a couple

of days,not much pain.

You should not have a longer stay b/c of having your gall bladder

removed during wls...(I dont know,maybe someone else can answer that)

I hope I helped a little....

Good luck

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/21/2003 2:04:41 PM Central Standard Time,

leslieileen31@... writes:

You should not have a longer stay b/c of having your gall bladder

removed during wls...(I dont know,maybe someone else can answer that)

I hope I helped a little....

Good luck

I went in on Wednesday and left friday morning. I had my gallbladder removed

along with my lap rny. I had pain but nothing more than I expected. The

medicines helped alot.

Wolfie

Leeds, Alabama

Lap RNY

August 27,2003

Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.

Medical Center East

Beginning Weight: 336

" Keep Em Laughing! "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/21/2003 2:04:41 PM Central Standard Time,

leslieileen31@... writes:

You should not have a longer stay b/c of having your gall bladder

removed during wls...(I dont know,maybe someone else can answer that)

I hope I helped a little....

Good luck

I went in on Wednesday and left friday morning. I had my gallbladder removed

along with my lap rny. I had pain but nothing more than I expected. The

medicines helped alot.

Wolfie

Leeds, Alabama

Lap RNY

August 27,2003

Dr. Lee A. Schmitt, M.D.

Medical Center East

Beginning Weight: 336

" Keep Em Laughing! "

[Guest guest]

I am taking threeXday Tums (Sugar Free) and two Kids Chewable

Vitamins. Those are the only things they told me to take.. Is there

something else i should be taking that would help with this process?

> > I had RYN on the 24th of Sept. I lost 21lbs while in the first

two

> > weeks and then when i started foods it slowed down. I am having

> > trouble getting all the foods down, I am just not hungry.. Is

that

> > normal? Then i feel like i'm eating all day long to get 60-80gm

of

> > protein.. How much protein is everyone on?

> >

> > al_sweetiepie

[Guest guest]

> Just a few questions out of the blue.

>

> First - this is stupid I know but I grew up fat so I don't

> remember when I wore normal-sized clothes. What size do

> women's clothes come in? I've heard friends talk about

> wearing a 7 or 9 and I thought all women's clothes were

> even-numbered. Right now I'm in a 26/28.

Me either. I have been overweight since adolesence..... I think

petite clothes come in odd numbers. Then you get to size 10,11 12 and then

I think the odd numbers. LOL

>

> Second, what do lap scars look like, are they really

> visible?? I will probably have to have my gall bladder out

> too so I think I'll have another scar from that. Does

> having the gall bladder out prolong the hospital stay or

> time off work??

I have four small lap scars (three months post op) and they look like red

ink pen marks. I have a small scar across my belly button too, but it is

less noticable.

As for the gall bladder removal, I don't think it will get you extra time

off work if it is done lap as well. 6 weeks I think is the max, unless you

have complications. I don't think there is an extra scar for GB removal.

I didn't have mine removed, my DR said it was OK.

Sharon

RNY LAP 7-17-03

Miami Hope Center

[Guest guest]

calcium citrate comes in chewables, too.

lori h.

> Ok I was told to take them because they are chewable?? I was talking

> the calcium citrate prior to surgery, But thanks for the information

> i will give that a try..

[Guest guest]

Patti,

I believe what you're saying..that's why I have on the diet. I

did get her blood results back and there is no toxicity. Hopefully,

it is yeast that's causing the problems. I ordered tests from great

plains and great smokies to test for yeast and bacteria. was on

nyastatin before SCD and I just put her back on it yesterday.

Thanks for your response.. I really appreciate the information.

Debbie

> Debbie,

> <<A lot of people say that yeast becomes worse

> on SCD...>>

> I'm concerned about this information you've been given. Where are

you hearing this? Another autism group? Another list? From parents who

actually do have their kids on SCD? Hopefully, I can reassure you.

>

> We have a pretty big group here..... and I don't think the general

consensus, based on the combined experience of hundreds of families

here at pecanbread, is that " yeast gets worse " on SCD. Many kids have

had yeast issues prior to starting SCD.... for which they've been on

various treatments. Some families choose to limit (not eliminate!)

fruit and honey in the very beginning, until they get well established

on the diet and yeast comes under better control. Some parents come to

SCD with a lot of " fears " about using fruit and honey..... having

been on other yeast diets, etc.... where they would not have been

allowed to use these foods. It's hard to let go and switch gears......

accept new ideas.

>

> Some have been using prescription anti-fungals that can have a

tendancy to have yeast bounce back strong once the rx is

discontinued..... and have better luck with natural anti-fungals in

conjunction with SCD. Most of the kids have some die-off issues in the

first weeks/months...... some mild, some pretty significant. But, I

just don't agree with the " yeast gets worse on SCD " .... I don't think

that's really the case.

>

> Of course, each kid is different.... but remember that yeast and

bacteria give off the same toxins when they're dying off.... only

probably MORE of the same, in a shorter period of time. This doesn't

mean the yeast overgrowth is " getting worse " ..... but the symptoms can

be similar, temporarily.

>

> Are you using any natural anti-fungals? Tamaro swears by

good old fresh carrot juice with fresh garlic for her two SCD sons.

>

> Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 14 months tomorrow

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> Thanks Patti. I am going to have a level drawn today and check for

> ammonia level and liver. A lot of people say that yeast becomes worse

> on SCD...I did think she had some die off in the beginning, but I'm

> going to test for it as well. This kind of stuff is just alarming.

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Are you giving her probiotics? Important to get those in there to repopulate the

gut. Some are now telling me that indeed yeast can creep in there and " take up

the slack " temporarily, in the very beginning....after bacteria die-off.....

unless we get the good bacterial flora in there to crowd them out. I'm

discussing this with a couple of people..... and will update you on the outcome.

Patti

Re: questions

Patti,

I believe what you're saying..that's why I have on the diet. I

did get her blood results back and there is no toxicity. Hopefully,

it is yeast that's causing the problems. I ordered tests from great

plains and great smokies to test for yeast and bacteria. was on

nyastatin before SCD and I just put her back on it yesterday.

Thanks for your response.. I really appreciate the information.

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

> Thanks again. Does this mean we're to give 3 billion a day? That

> would be less than 1/3 of that tiny scoop.

Yes, no more than 3 billion per day in a probiotic (this does not

refer to yogurt).

> What are the natural antifungals? My DAN! Doc wants to stay

on nyastatin as it is topical and isn't absorbed. I'm wondering

about this.

Natural antifungals include:

" homemade carrot juice and garlic,

grapefruit seed extract (GSE) with or without enzymes

oil of oregano.... as long as it's just the pure oil "

Sheila

[Guest guest]

#1 – Does anyone

worry about the health consequences of being overweight and the health benefits

of maintaining a healthy body weight? I’m all for self-acceptance, but I

worry about health, too. Any thoughts?

#2 – Any Christians on this list

that struggle to put God into the equation? I know this is OT – so if

you are a Christian and want to email me directly with your feelings on this

subject, that is fine. Just interested in a Christian background/slant

to the whole body, IE, health equation....

#3 – Does anyone

sometimes feel like IE is basically just a “fat acceptance” club?

How (in your opinions) does loving yourself, accepting yourself as you are,

etc. differ from fat acceptance? I’m burned out from years of dieting –

and am questioning if IE is my “true path” to a healthy self

mind/body/spirit....but I am not content being overweight and do not want to

embrace that.....because of the health factor. It is SO not about being a size

0, or looking good in a bikini, or pleasing a man or pleasing anyone. I just

know (since I am in the health profession) what obesity does to a body....and

am just wondering how IE differs.

I might be stirring up

trouble with any/all of these questions...I have an open mind....and I am

seeking. I am not trying to offend or disrespect anyone. I am asking these

questions straightforward with a childlike curiousity – I am new to IE

and I am learning.

Thanks!

Jolene

------------------------------

It is only with the

heart that one can see rightly;

what is essential is

invisible to the eye.

-Antoine de Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince)

[Guest guest]

Jolene,

I actually find this post refleshingly raw and honest. I'm willing to bet that

anyone who ever contemplated IE has thought these thoughts. I know I have.

There's definitely a part of me that felt sad at giving dieting up. There were

always times on a diet when I felt very in control, that I could change my body

that way. Giving up on dieting felt like just giving up period in ways. But

then I remembered why I turned to IE in the first place. Dieting is a constant

struggle and battle with food and hunger and cravings. There's no peace in

dieting.

The vast majority of dieters are yo-yo dieters. Only a tiny fraction of dieters

have any real " success " keeping their weight off, and that is with " success "

defined loosely. Even those " successful " few are usually in the process of

gaining back at least some of weight they lost. So the " unsuccessful " dieters,

those 95-99% of dieters who gain their weight back, gain and lose, gain and

lose, gain and lose. I'm betting most of us have probably been there. There is

plenty of research that shows that this sort of up and down weight fluctuation

is very detrimental to your health. Dieting sounds great in theory, but in

practice, it's much more likely to make you less healthy, not more healthy.

Plus, there really isn't good evidence that maintaining weight loss over the

long haul improves your health. This is mainly because it's hard to find people

who have actually achieved this in order to study them.

I used to worry about my health and weight. Reading The Diet Myth by

Campos put a lot of those worries to rest for me. I would definitely recommend

that book to you.

Also, go to this web address. http://www.wellness-rd.com/Research.htm It has

abstracts of studies related to IE. Look particularly at " Size Acceptance and

Intuitive Eating Improve Health for Obese, Female Chronic Dieters. " I think

that title sums it all up right there!

For me, focusing on accepting and loving myself right now is imperative to

eating intuitively. And even if it wasn't, I feel that's what we all deserve to

do, anyway.

IE is a path. On my long IE path I've taken many turns. For a long time, I

focused on weight loss, turned IE into a diet, lost a few pounds, then gained

them all back with a few more to go along with them without really changing my

behavior. That's when I was truly able to give up on dieting. Your path has

taken you to these questions in your mind. They're all good questions, and no

direction you turn will be the wrong direction. It'll just be your direction.

As for Christianity and IE, I think there's an IE book out there that focuses on

that. I think it's called " Thin Within " but maybe someone else will know for

sure. I'm not a religious person, but I'm definitely a spiritual person, and

God has helped me out so much on my IE journey. Just when I need some help with

something, he sends it my way. It's been quite amazing. And I definitely thank

God for this group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck!

Sara

IntuitiveEating_Support , wrote:

>

> #1 - Does anyone worry about the health consequences of being overweight and

> the health benefits of maintaining a healthy body weight? I'm all for

> self-acceptance, but I worry about health, too. Any thoughts?

>

>

>

> #2 - Any Christians on this list that struggle to put God into the equation?

> I know this is OT - so if you are a Christian and want to email me directly

> with your feelings on this subject, that is fine. Just interested in a

> Christian background/slant to the whole body, IE, health equation....

>

>

>

> #3 - Does anyone sometimes feel like IE is basically just a " fat acceptance "

> club? How (in your opinions) does loving yourself, accepting yourself as

> you are, etc. differ from fat acceptance? I'm burned out from years of

> dieting - and am questioning if IE is my " true path " to a healthy self

> mind/body/spirit....but I am not content being overweight and do not want to

> embrace that.....because of the health factor. It is SO not about being a

> size 0, or looking good in a bikini, or pleasing a man or pleasing anyone.

> I just know (since I am in the health profession) what obesity does to a

> body....and am just wondering how IE differs.

>

>

>

> I might be stirring up trouble with any/all of these questions...I have an

> open mind....and I am seeking. I am not trying to offend or disrespect

> anyone. I am asking these questions straightforward with a childlike

> curiousity - I am new to IE and I am learning.

>

>

>

> Thanks!

> Jolene

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

>

> It is only with the heart that one can see rightly;

>

> what is essential is invisible to the eye.

>

> -Antoine de Saint-Exupery (The Little Prince)

>

[Guest guest]

Jolene,

#1. After much reading and research, I no longer buy into the 'fat kills'

hoopla. I suggest reading Health At Every Size, junkfoodscience.blogspot.com

and http://kateharding.net/faq/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/ on that

topic. One can be fat and quite healthy, and that is my goal, as I do not think

I will ever be not-fat.

#2. I am a Christian and what this has meant to me in my intuitive eating

journey is that my body really IS wonderfully and miraculously made and I can

trust it to do what God programmed it to do. Additionally, He is there for

support when no one else is. I do NOT buy into the 'your body is the temple and

it must be thin' mentality that I hear so much of from some Christians.

#3. Hate to scare you, but IE was the beginning of my path to fat acceptance.

Which I think is wonderful. We are not all meant to be thin, and being fat

doesn't have to be either unhealthy or wrong in any other way. I would suggest

you delve a little deeper into what you hear as health professional, because the

research just does not support the conclusion that a person must be in a certain

BMI range to be healthy.

Welcome to the journey. But...your worldview will be challenged, lol.

~

www.jenny-fair.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

, I'm so with you and the weight and health issue!!! There are some

large research studies showing that people who are moderately over the

recommended BMI levels live the longest, and that people who are even a tiny bit

under the BMI recommendations live the shortest.

All the evidence just turns everything I ever thought I knew about weight and

dieting on its head.

Sara

[Guest guest]

OMG I am in love with kateharding.net!!!!!!!! It's awesome!

Sara

>

> #1. After much reading and research, I no longer buy into the 'fat kills'

hoopla. I suggest reading Health At Every Size, junkfoodscience.blogspot.com

and http://kateharding.net/faq/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/ on that

topic.