Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

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Laurie! I am surprised and even a bit shocked! Please do understand that the

main reason I included the word 'tolerant' in my post was to hopefully keep that

quality foremost in all our minds as we deal with something so impacting as this

post seemed to be. I know you have mentioned several times how strongly you

express your ideas and thoughts and I think that is a wonderfully honest way to

be. I can only hope to offer my sincere reaction to your current post as perhaps

you are reading into previous posts a bit too much? Or perhaps this is something

that disturbs you yourself and it came out for you by our posts? Just sharing

thoughts here, not trying to judge at all.

Best to you, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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but was I just reading into it or did that mean my post wasn't one of the tolerant ones?

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 6:16:07 PMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Laurie! I am surprised and even a bit shocked! Please do understand that the main reason I included the word 'tolerant' in my post was to hopefully keep that quality foremost in all our minds as we deal with something so impacting as this post seemed to be. I know you have mentioned several times how strongly you express your ideas and thoughts and I think that is a wonderfully honest way to be. I can only hope to offer my sincere reaction to your current post as perhaps you are reading into previous posts a bit too much? Or perhaps this is something that disturbs you yourself and it came out for you by our posts? Just sharing thoughts here, not trying to judge at all.Best to you, KatchaIEing since March 2007> > >> > > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not

like the religious > > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi Laurie,Your post was wonderful and creative and a joy.I'm an English teacher. I grade you A plus. Do they have something like a Booker Prize for Yahoo posts? If they did, your post: First Place. Someone said they appreciated the divergent views on this board. I do, too. All of the responses were very interesting. People thought of stuff I hadn't thought of and gave me"food" for thought. > > > >> > > > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > > > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Laurie I was in no way being critical of your post or anyone else's. Until I

read the re-post I wasn't even sure what post you were referring to.

ARNIE

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tolerant ones?

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ok, then I owe you an apology. I'm sorry that my feeling angry was misplaced onto you.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 8:27:14 PMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Laurie I was in no way being critical of your post or anyone else's. Until I read the re-post I wasn't even sure what post you were referring to.ARNIE>> but was I just reading into it or did that mean my post wasn't one of the tolerant ones?>

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Hi ,

It's nice that you are an English teacher. Thanks for the reply and feedback.

Hope you've had a nice weekend.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 7:41:39 PMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Hi Laurie,Your post was wonderful and creative and a joy.I'm an English teacher. I grade you A plus. Do they have something like a Booker Prize for Yahoo posts? If they did, your post: First Place. Someone said they appreciated the divergent views on this board. I do, too. All of the responses were very interesting. People thought of stuff I hadn't thought of and gave me"food" for thought. > > > >> > > > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > > > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Well many of are not Christian and I am greatly offended by the idea of sin in the post. It is why I left the church and became a practicing witch. I would never push my beliefs on anyone.Sent from my iPod

I like to see Peaces point of view and other peoples too. I hate when people say do this or go elsewhere. Just my two cents. I also think Peace had some points that were valid....about trying to eat closer to the way God created them

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I do not think of you as intolerant. Many times I find what I get 'offended' by

is what I need to deal with for myself. Sorry if I triggered anything for you,

but only you can decide if that's an 'offense' or just a horrible negative

reaction for you.

BEST wishes, Katcha

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reminder that the membership is a diverse one and polite respect

is appreciated by all. We are all here for embracing IE, however and whatever

supportive help that we can muster for ourselves.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> > I like to see Peaces point of view and other peoples too. I hate

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> > think Peace had some points that were valid....about trying to eat

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Laurie, I don't think anyone was pointing any fingers at you about being 'intolerant' .... and  I didn't chime in because by the time I read the thread all the relevent points had already been made   However now you seem really upset so I wanted to  give you a little public support ... I happen to agree with your original post on every point!  And, frankly, there's not a darn thing wrong with calling someone out when they join a group and 5 minutes later start preaching to it.  Being strong in your own position and rebutting someone elses points is not intolerant, and you were by no means rude about it. 

 

You make such great contributions, I really hope you don't let this spat sour you on the group!  

 

hugs

Mikki

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Laurie, one of Peace's last statements was and I quote: "Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense." And that's exactly what you were doing!!! Nothing wrong with that or the what you said!

Wishing all a good week,

Jeanne

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Oops! Apologize, guess the brain and fingers are not in sync this morning. What I meant to say is nothing wrong with that or WITH what you said!

Best wishes,

Jeanne

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Thanks katcha,

I re-read it all and realized I was completely reading something into it that wasn't there and that my assumption was just wrong. Sorry about that. I think I did get triggered. I had a very traumatic childhood; lots of abusive adults and I just couldn't trust anyone back then and I am sorry I slipped back into that mode, but hopefully I'll re-read carefully so I avoid doing this again.

thanks again for your patience and forgiving attitude,

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 12:08:49 AMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

I do not think of you as intolerant. Many times I find what I get 'offended' by is what I need to deal with for myself. Sorry if I triggered anything for you, but only you can decide if that's an 'offense' or just a horrible negative reaction for you. BEST wishes, Katcha>

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Hi Mikki,

thanks so much for your reply. I am ok with my original post.

but i did make a mistake; i read something that wasn't there into another post about the topic. You're right that nobody was criticising me; I don't know exactly why I pulled that assumption out of thin air, except I was probably triggered; had a traumatic childhood where adults were super abusive and critical and I'd grew up with a lot of mistrust.

So I was wrong to direct my anger at anyone here because there really was no cause for it in the first place!!

So I apologized to the people who I knew I owed an apology (Katcha and Arnie).

Hopefully I'll re-read posts more carefully from now on and really try not to revert back to my feelings of mistrust or that I'm going to get criticised for what I write. Because that's not even happening here at all!!

thanks again,

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:48:39 AMSubject: Re: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Laurie, I don't think anyone was pointing any fingers at you about being 'intolerant' .... and I didn't chime in because by the time I read the thread all the relevent points had already been made However now you seem really upset so I wanted to give you a little public support ... I happen to agree with your original post on every point! And, frankly, there's not a darn thing wrong with calling someone out when they join a group and 5 minutes later start preaching to it. Being strong in your own position and rebutting someone elses points is not intolerant, and you were by no means rude about it.

You make such great contributions, I really hope you don't let this spat sour you on the group!

hugs

Mikki

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What have I missed while I haven't been here for a few weeks? ha ha ha ha. I

saw the responses and decided to go to the original post to follow the thread

and read all the responses. Wish me luck as I follow this along. ;-)

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> Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't

diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is

his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat

is called " GLUTTONY " . And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and

nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not

ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:

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> It existed during the time of Jesus in some form

> (ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)

> I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate

it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.

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> Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats

and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat

those sparingly)

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> Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body by

giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)

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> Proverbs 23:21 " For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and

drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags. "

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> So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money

on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can

push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have

enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that

most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping?

Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just

want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing

anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were

hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they

were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch

to the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies,

one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our

bodies were truly meant to look like.

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> So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not

hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up.

Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate

those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys

because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need

the " medicines " all these doctors have come up with. And with the great

nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.

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> And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about,

then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next

statement completely true:

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> God made the heavens and the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God

made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese

Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your

question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't

we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was

created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED

material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.

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> Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @

the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate

a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it,

not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and

eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few

stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body has to work

to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the

easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)!

Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter

(fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).

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> Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are

all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people

say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell

you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each

created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not

enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were

not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount

you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct

purpose which means that you therefore will not gain weight because it will not

become 'fat'.

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> Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but

aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at

12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're

going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which

will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight

doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its

day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and

energy needs.

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> Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on

intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when

he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that

growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

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Thanks Jeanne,

Of course what i have been doing today is apologizing for my assumption that anyone had thought my post was not ok because the truth is that was a wrong assumption; I pulled that assumption out of thin air somehow; I re-read everything and realized I was wrong and I have apologized to people who I expressed undeserved anger towards.

Thank you though for your validation that I did ok with that post :.)

laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 9:36:27 AMSubject: Re: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Laurie, one of Peace's last statements was and I quote: "Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense." And that's exactly what you were doing!!! Nothing wrong with that or the what you said!

Wishing all a good week,

Jeanne

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Katcha,

Hi. As I stated in my other response post, I haven't checked in for a bit.

When I came in and read the original post, at first (being new to IE, of

course), I felt as if I was in trouble or something. lol

But then, reading the responses, it was very interesting and gave me a lot of

insight into why I didn't " like " the post. So thank you for allowing it in the

first place, so we can all learn by response and from taking in others'

responses. See you around the board.

KT

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Laurie,

Being new to IE, it's nice to have someone be protective of the principles

(especially because being new, for me, is sort of a vulnerable place emotionally

with incorporating IE, etc.) So thank you for your candor. You keep being

Laurie.

KT

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think He would have given us the smarts to create those wonderful things

like�Hershey kisses,�my beloved Triscuits, etc.!

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Amen. I learn much better by making mistakes and watching others' imperfections

than by trying to follow a narrow path of doing it " corrrectly. " ;-)

KT

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Hi Mikki,

I don't know exactly why I pulled that assumption out of thin air, except I was probably triggered; had a traumatic childhood where adults were super abusive and critical and I'd grew up with a lot of mistrust. 

 

 

Ech, I KNOW what you mean.  It took me years to stop looking for the hidden sarcasm in the most innocent of compliments, and learn that it really can be OK to tell people what you want or need, they aren't all like Dear Old Dad who will just use the knowledge that something is important to me as an excuse to withhold it and hurt me with it.  I'm in my 40's and I still get triggered by certain words or even body postures!! 

 

I guess the best we can do is be aware of what is happening, be open to the idea that the rest of the world isn't as mean as our own family was, and try to not let the shit they shoveled on us pile down to the next generation!

 

<hugs>

Mikki

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No thanks needed here, Laurie, and certainly no apologies needed!! Remember making this comment in one of your earlier posts --- " except I was probably triggered; had a traumatic childhood where adults were super abusive and critical and I'd grew up with a lot of mistrust?" What a positive revelation! Laurie, you're great just as you are! And remember if God didn't want us to make mistakes, they wouldn't have put erasers on pencils.

Hope you're having a great day! But let's move on!!

All the best,

Jeanne