Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

[Guest guest]

Dear "Peace",

If you really don't want to follow Intiutive Eating, you're free to not do so, of course. But what are you doing in this forum? You have your own approach, based on your interpretation of the Bible. If that is the way you believe you should eat, more power to you. But this forum is for those of us -- Chrisian or otherwise -- trying to follow the principles of Intuitive Eating. Your "Christian" approach is rules-based and restrictive, which is contrary to the healing, forgiving spirit of Intiutive Eating (and of Christianity, by my lights).

I would appreciate your refraining from religious advocating in this forum. Stick to Intuitive Eating and mutual support, or please go elsewhere.

Peace,

Harry

-----Original Message-----From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of PeaceSent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:09 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

God's way, according to you, has quite a number of food rules.

Don't eat when not hungry

Don't eat it if it came after Jesus

Don't eat junk food

Don't eat food with additives

Don't eat one little Hershey kiss (jeez)

Don't eat white rice

Don't eat a big Thanksgiving dinner

Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? NO DON'T EAT THESE!!

Oh my, I really feel a lot of empathy for you! It's so sad that you need so many restrictions and rules!! Why do you need so many rules? Is it that you do not trust yourself?

How can you truly have freedom in your relationship with food? You are in a prison of your own making.

And I can't resist getting a little jokey and asking if the "Jesus Diet", which I'd not heard of before you, is the same as the "Paleolithic Diet (caveman diet)"?

Ok, but seriously, partly I truly do empathize with you because it's got to be tough needing these rules the way you do, and partly people who presume to tell other people what to do in such directive terms with an air of superiority piss me the hell off an unbelievable amount. So I feel empathic and simultaneously I feel very, very ticked off. Did you know that two conflicting feelings can exist simultaneously? You didn't? Well now you do.

Laurie

P.S. I know, I know I could have walked away from this one :.)

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 7:09:17 PMSubject: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body

by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to

the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and

the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body

has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that

you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

OMG Harry, your post is so patient, respectful, and mature!!! All the things that mine isn't, lol!!! I just couldn't resist responding the way I did, but I admire your professional, peaceful attitude.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 8:03:47 PMSubject: RE: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Dear "Peace",

If you really don't want to follow Intiutive Eating, you're free to not do so, of course. But what are you doing in this forum? You have your own approach, based on your interpretation of the Bible. If that is the way you believe you should eat, more power to you. But this forum is for those of us -- Chrisian or otherwise -- trying to follow the principles of Intuitive Eating. Your "Christian" approach is rules-based and restrictive, which is contrary to the healing, forgiving spirit of Intiutive Eating (and of Christianity, by my lights).

I would appreciate your refraining from religious advocating in this forum. Stick to Intuitive Eating and mutual support, or please go elsewhere.

Peace,

Harry

[intuitiveEating_ Support] Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body

by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to

the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and

the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body

has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that

you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious

judgement going on here. left a group for that

>

[Guest guest]

I need to say I am very sorry for approving this post. I am just a poor judge of

where the 'boundaries' are when it comes to include or not include religion in a

post. (I am not very religious myself). I too thought that this post would have

been better to be at a group such as Thin Within (example only - I have no

personal experience with that group).

Please forgive me for any upset I have caused and thank you one and all who

responded so sincerely and well in reinforcing that the topic here is Intuitive

Eating.

Katcha

>

> This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious

> judgement going on here. left a group for that

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peace,

Katcha's recommendation is good.

I am not Christian, but I have heard of three Christian intuitive eating

resources.

Thin Within as Katcha recommended

Weigh Down by Gwen Shamblin

A third woman who is a recovered bulimic wrote a book many years ago

called " Confessions of a Closet Eater. " Her name is Jackie Barrille.

She is a born again Christian and her book deals with the inner child.

Her faith in God is also part of her recovery. It was very helpful for

me when I read it years ago.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't sure if your e-mail was a hoax when I

first read it. I actually enjoyed reading it and the various responses.

But in any case, I send you those resources. Eating issues can be tough

if we are all alone in them. Eating disorders (anorexia/bulimia) have

the highest death rate of any

mental illness (if we want to call them that). I was in a group once

where one of the participants members died from starvation.

> >

> > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious

> > judgement going on here. left a group for that

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Katcha,

I'm sure I'm not included in "responded so sincerely and well" because I actually responded in a smart-ass sort of way; at least that's how I see it. Oh well, I am flawed and imperfect human being, I've got to live with it :.)

But I don't think you did anything wrong, I don't think it was a problem that the post was here; it didn't ruin my evening in any way. It did bring out my smart-ass side, but now you all know I have that side to me. Least I'm honest.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 12:07:43 AMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

I need to say I am very sorry for approving this post. I am just a poor judge of where the 'boundaries' are when it comes to include or not include religion in a post. (I am not very religious myself). I too thought that this post would have been better to be at a group such as Thin Within (example only - I have no personal experience with that group).Please forgive me for any upset I have caused and thank you one and all who responded so sincerely and well in reinforcing that the topic here is Intuitive Eating.Katcha>> This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > judgement going on here. left a group for that>

>>

[Guest guest]

Here, here Jeanne.

And seriously, I ALWAYS see heaven and angels sing when I take bite of Lindt

dark chocolate with sea salt.

God's creation, indeed! Hallelujah!

>

> If God didn't intend for us to enjoy ourselves while on the planet, don't

think He would have given us the smarts to create those wonderful things

like�Hershey kisses,�my beloved Triscuits, etc.!

> �

> Jeanne

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with both of you, lol! I know I didn't answer to the original post in the most restrained fashion, but that person really was crossing over the line to TELL people what they can and can't eat and I got a bit angry, and I'm actually not at all sorry for my post and how I answered this person.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 9:54:56 AMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here, here Jeanne.And seriously, I ALWAYS see heaven and angels sing when I take bite of Lindt dark chocolate with sea salt.God's creation, indeed! Hallelujah!>> If God didn't intend for us to enjoy ourselves while on the planet, don't think He would have given us the smarts to create those wonderful things like�Hershey kisses,�my beloved Triscuits, etc.!> �> Jeanne>

[Guest guest]

Laurie, you did just fine! Although my comment may be a little simple, I do

believe that God wouldn't have given humans the creativity and intelligence if

He didn't intend for us to use it, including creating wonderful edibles. I

don't agree with gluttony being eating when not hungry rather it is eating to

what Harry describes as being stuffed.

Jeanne

> >

> > If God didn't intend for us to enjoy ourselves while on the planet, don't

think He would have given us the smarts to create those wonderful things

like�Hershey kisses,�my beloved Triscuits, etc.!

> > �

> > Jeanne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello " Peace " ,

I just wanted to share with you a very important teaching found in the Bible

that I believe speaks directly to your interpretation about food rules and

guidelines and such, which essentially amount to laws. I'd be curious about

your thoughts on it.

" Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as

though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 'Do not handle! Do

no taste! Do not touch!' These are all destined to perish with use, because

they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations have an

appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and

their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining

sensual indulgence. " (Colossians 2:20-23)

Thanks for listening and as I said, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Agnieszka

>

> Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't

diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is

his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat

is called " GLUTTONY " . And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and

nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not

ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:

>

> It existed during the time of Jesus in some form

> (ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)

> I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate

it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.

>

> Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats

and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat

those sparingly)

>

> Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body by

giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)

>

> Proverbs 23:21 " For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and

drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags. "

>

> So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money

on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can

push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have

enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that

most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping?

Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just

want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing

anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were

hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they

were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch

to the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies,

one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our

bodies were truly meant to look like.

>

> So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not

hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up.

Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate

those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys

because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need

the " medicines " all these doctors have come up with. And with the great

nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.

>

> And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about,

then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next

statement completely true:

>

> God made the heavens and the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God

made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese

Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your

question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't

we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was

created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED

material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.

>

> Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @

the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate

a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it,

not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and

eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few

stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body has to work

to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the

easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)!

Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter

(fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).

>

> Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are

all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people

say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell

you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each

created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not

enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were

not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount

you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct

purpose which means that you therefore will not gain weight because it will not

become 'fat'.

>

> Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but

aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at

12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're

going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which

will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight

doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its

day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and

energy needs.

>

> Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on

intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when

he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that

growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

>

[Guest guest]

You should have seen what I edited out. :-)

H

[intuitiveEating_ Support] Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

Hello all again. I am glad that everyone is able to not be overly affected by

this topic and single post. It seems to me that its a good example of a few

things - first how effected one can become by needing 'rules and control' and

second how we can choose to NOT be effected by another's 'strong' needs to

believe otherwise. I am dealing with minor guilt over approving this, but I am

also happy and proud of all you who were able to stand your own ground as well

as not accept or buy into 'dictates'. If this member does choose to remain in

this group, I do hope that she will do so because she is open to learning what

we have to offer here and because she can see that the other members are sincere

in their support of all stages of IE as well as secure in their own journeys

too.

Phew! Hasn't this been a 'ride'? And hopefully all are more re-enforced in their

own IE and appreciation for it as a result of this occurrence.

Thanks again for your patience and understanding. I am very proud of you all.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Dear " Peace " ,

> If you really don't want to follow Intiutive Eating, you're free to not do

> so, of course. But what are you doing in this forum?

> You have your own approach, based on your interpretation of the Bible. If

> that is the way you believe you should eat, more power to you. But this

> forum is for those of us -- Chrisian or otherwise -- trying to follow the

> principles of Intuitive Eating. Your " Christian " approach is rules-based and

> restrictive, which is contrary to the healing, forgiving spirit of Intiutive

> Eating (and of Christianity, by my lights).

> I would appreciate your refraining from religious advocating in this forum.

> Stick to Intuitive Eating and mutual support, or please go elsewhere.

> Peace,

> Harry

[Guest guest]

Katcha, you know I kind of feel sorry for Peace because of all the rules and

restrictions she's set for herself. Hope someday she'll allow herself to savor

eating anything and everything she chooses!

Jeanne

> >

> > Dear " Peace " ,

> > If you really don't want to follow Intiutive Eating, you're free to not do

> > so, of course. But what are you doing in this forum?

> > You have your own approach, based on your interpretation of the Bible. If

> > that is the way you believe you should eat, more power to you. But this

> > forum is for those of us -- Chrisian or otherwise -- trying to follow the

> > principles of Intuitive Eating. Your " Christian " approach is rules-based and

> > restrictive, which is contrary to the healing, forgiving spirit of Intiutive

> > Eating (and of Christianity, by my lights).

> > I would appreciate your refraining from religious advocating in this forum.

> > Stick to Intuitive Eating and mutual support, or please go elsewhere.

> > Peace,

> > Harry

>

[Guest guest]

I like to see Peaces point of view and other peoples too. I hate when people say do this or go elsewhere. Just my two cents. I also think Peace had some points that were valid....about trying to eat closer to the way God created them. There is a lot of science behind it even if you had some issues with the biblical point of view. BUT, it's hard to live without chemicals and processed food in this day and age. Most people don't bake their own bread and milk their own cows or are able to do other things along those lines to be absolutely sure what goes into what they are eating. Further, between price constraints of "organic" eating, and 2 parent working family's who are struggling for time, convenience foods can be extremely helpful and I believe not necessarily harmful if your body craves it. Whenever I get in my own head that I need to follow "absolutes" then I find myself bingeing on the items that I was trying to stay away from in short periods of time.

I will recognize...she came across as a little preachy. I try to look away from that sort of stuff and just take what applies to me. Leave the rest, as they say. But I don't think she would have drafted that note if her heart was not in the right place and trying to help others. Okay, now that is 4 cents! Hope everybody has a great day.

Suzanne :0)

[intuitiveEating_ Support] Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you; all the raw materials were around in Jesus's time and God gave us minds to use it and create great foods like a meatball :.) I am Italian so meatballs matter.

Thanks,

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 11:11:22 AMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Laurie, you did just fine! Although my comment may be a little simple, I do believe that God wouldn't have given humans the creativity and intelligence if He didn't intend for us to use it, including creating wonderful edibles. I don't agree with gluttony being eating when not hungry rather it is eating to what Harry describes as being stuffed. Jeanne> >> > If God didn't intend for us to enjoy ourselves while on the planet, don't think He would have

given us the smarts to create those wonderful things like�Hershey kisses,�my beloved Triscuits, etc.!> > �> > Jeanne> >>

[Guest guest]

lmao!! I can imagine!

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 11:39:54 AMSubject: RE: Intuitive Eating GODS way

You should have seen what I edited out. :-)

H

[intuitiveEating_ Support] Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body

by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to

the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and

the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body

has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that

you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

I agree that her heart was definitely in it. It was clear that she believed what she was saying.

You know, I could never see foods as good or bad and I have to allow everything otherwise I end up binging, but it's true that it would be so nice if organic veggies and fruits were cheaper; I notice they often do taste better to me. I buy organic carrots when I make soup because they have amazing flavor!

In theory I understand about the additives and so on, but I can't go there personally because I just can't restrict..bottom line I end up binging...been there ...done that... can't do it again.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 12:08:25 PMSubject: RE: Intuitive Eating GODS way

I like to see Peaces point of view and other peoples too. I hate when people say do this or go elsewhere. Just my two cents. I also think Peace had some points that were valid....about trying to eat closer to the way God created them. There is a lot of science behind it even if you had some issues with the biblical point of view. BUT, it's hard to live without chemicals and processed food in this day and age. Most people don't bake their own bread and milk their own cows or are able to do other things along those lines to be absolutely sure what goes into what they are eating. Further, between price constraints of "organic" eating, and 2 parent working family's who are struggling for time, convenience foods can be extremely helpful and I believe not necessarily harmful if your body craves it. Whenever I get in my own

head that I need to follow "absolutes" then I find myself bingeing on the items that I was trying to stay away from in short periods of time.

I will recognize... she came across as a little preachy. I try to look away from that sort of stuff and just take what applies to me. Leave the rest, as they say. But I don't think she would have drafted that note if her heart was not in the right place and trying to help others. Okay, now that is 4 cents! Hope everybody has a great day.

Suzanne :0)

[intuitiveEating_ Support] Intuitive Eating GODS way

Here's a rule I think Christian intuitive eaters should change. No, don't diet, but there are foods you really shouldn't eat because God said our body is his temple. Also, anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by. So here's what I do, I can eat what I want AS LONG AS:It existed during the time of Jesus in some form(ex: rice, oatmeal, wheat, fruit, vegetables)I say this because if it existed back then, then Jesus himself most likely ate it which will therefore make it fine for you to partake in.Little or no additives (HEALTHY granola bars are iffy because they have oats and grains w/ added sugar so if ur not TOO strict on this, then you can eat those sparingly)Junk Food (has A LOT of processed 'fake' food that does damage to our body

by giving us nutrients that we really DON'T need)Proverbs 23:21 "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."So pretty much you become an alcoholic or binger and you'll use all your money on your obsession and lose everything. Poverty not only means money, alcohol can push away ones that care about you or other things in life you might have enjoyed. You'll be drowsy...plain blunt english there. Did you ever notice that most alcoholics get beer bellys and are usually found passed out and sleeping? Same thing with eating. When you eat that HUGE Thanksgiving meal don't you just want to sleep? During all these times of sleeping you're not working or doing anything else productive in your life. If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD. So now that people are trying to switch to

the correct way, that's great! But still, after YEARS of damaging our bodies, one year won't fix it. So it will be difficult but we might never know what our bodies were truly meant to look like.So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong. Your not hungry, and even if you were, you and I both know that it would not fill you up. Why do you think God provided Adam and Eve with all fruits? If we all only ate those we would be healthy. No don't talk to me about nutrient deficiencys because if we all only ate those since we were born, our bodies would not need the "medicines" all these doctors have come up with. And with the great nutritional value of those foods we'd have our great skin and hair and bodies.And now if up to this point you think I don't know what I'm talking about, then if you are a true believing educated Christian, then you will find my next statement completely true:God made the heavens and

the earth and eveything in it, correct? So when God made the trees, water, animals, fields of grass and grains, did he make Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? Now that ought to answer your question. Eat the things that the EARTH provides us with. Now you wonder don't we cook. YES. They cooked back then too, but w/out so manny addives. Fire was created as part of the earth so using the heat with another EARTH PROVIDED material such as the food provided is perfectly fine.Salt, pepper, NATURAL spices (not those mixed with other chemicals then sold @ the store) are fine to use. Wheat is fine. Even back in the bible the people ate a breadlike food called, 'mana'. Rice (brown; that's the way the earth made it, not with the bran removed and thrown out) grows from the ground so cooking and eating rice is fine. Some people even eat rice raw which may give you a few stomach problems or uncomfortableness because of how hard the body

has to work to digest it, but apart from that shows that raw was possible to eat to. And the easiest, fruits and vegetables are direct earth sources (the ORGANIC ones)! Oatmeal is fine. Oats come from the ground. Flour is fine, eggs, milk, butter (fresh, not with all the salt and other stuff added).Now if you look at all the things mentioned above, you will find that they are all considered 'healthy' even in todays socity. Apart from the carbs that people say are bad in rice and bread, these are the foods most nonjunkfood diets tell you to eat. The difference is, diets make you count calories. Well we were each created differently. For some of us, 2000 is too much and for some 4000 is not enough. Obviously God knew that carbs would be good for energy so that we were not constantly tired. So eliminating carbs is stupid. If you only eat the amount you need, then the body will use the carbs for energy which is their correct purpose which means that

you therefore will not gain weight because it will not become 'fat'.Making eating cutoff times are stupid because the bodies know routine, but aren't clocks. They don't know it's 12:00 pm so eat time. So if you're hungry at 12:00 am...EAT. even if you're about to go to bed. But chances are, if you're going to go to bed, you're tired. So you're body won't need to much food which will mean if you eat the amount your body tells you to, you won't gain weight doing it. So truly if you nap @ 4:00pm till 6:00, your body has just started its day. Everything is starting from the begining for you. Meaning metabolism, and energy needs.Now I would just like some responses on the NEW light I have spread on intuitive eating because it really is all common sense. God was not stupid when he provided the earth with certain foods, and our stomachs with mouths that growl when needing food and shutup when they don't.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely no need for guilt Katcha!!! Just a nice reminder of the extreme

opinions that exist in the world.

Sara

> >

> > Dear " Peace " ,

> > If you really don't want to follow Intiutive Eating, you're free to not do

> > so, of course. But what are you doing in this forum?

> > You have your own approach, based on your interpretation of the Bible. If

> > that is the way you believe you should eat, more power to you. But this

> > forum is for those of us -- Chrisian or otherwise -- trying to follow the

> > principles of Intuitive Eating. Your " Christian " approach is rules-based and

> > restrictive, which is contrary to the healing, forgiving spirit of Intiutive

> > Eating (and of Christianity, by my lights).

> > I would appreciate your refraining from religious advocating in this forum.

> > Stick to Intuitive Eating and mutual support, or please go elsewhere.

> > Peace,

> > Harry

>

[Guest guest]

I hear what you're saying Suzanne. I used to live by a lot of those rules (not

about religion, but about " health " ). I think in theory some of it sounds

healthy, but in practice, regular everyday living as a human, I think those

rules are catastrophic to our health. I agree that they do lead to binging,

etc. Even if they didn't, can you imagine living such a constrained, rule-bound

life, where every bite of food is about being righteous or sinful depending on

the circumstance. I definitely feel that guilt and rules are the antithesis of

IE.

Sara

>

> I like to see Peaces point of view and other peoples too. I hate when people

say do this or go elsewhere. Just my two cents. I also think Peace had some

points that were valid....about trying to eat closer to the way God created

them. There is a lot of science behind it even if you had some issues with the

biblical point of view. BUT, it's hard to live without chemicals and processed

food in this day and age. Most people don't bake their own bread and milk their

own cows or are able to do other things along those lines to be absolutely sure

what goes into what they are eating. Further, between price constraints of

" organic " eating, and 2 parent working family's who are struggling for time,

convenience foods can be extremely helpful and I believe not necessarily harmful

if your body craves it. Whenever I get in my own head that I need to follow

" absolutes " then I find myself bingeing on the items that I was trying to stay

away from in short periods of time.

>

> I will recognize...she came across as a little preachy. I try to look away

from that sort of stuff and just take what applies to me. Leave the rest, as

they say. But I don't think she would have drafted that note if her heart was

not in the right place and trying to help others. Okay, now that is 4 cents!

Hope everybody has a great day.

>

> Suzanne :0)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto from me on feeling no guilt, Katcha! In thinking about Peace and her post and although I may not agree with some of her points, it occurred to me what a dull world this would be without divergent opinions.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

No need to apologize Katcha. You have a tough job deciding what to allow or

not. I would much sooner see a diversity of thought than posts censored every

time a minor line is crossed.

Peace may have come to teach, but if we are kind and welcoming, Peace might stay

to learn. We will not be able to share what has helped us if we shut out every

dieter that comes along. It takes time for people to wrap their heads around

what IE is. I'm happy to belong to this group because of the many replies to

Peace that were of a tolerant nature.

ARNIE

> >

> > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious

> > judgement going on here. left a group for that

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now I'm starting to really feel angry. It seems that when you and Katcha point out that you appreciate the replies which were of a tolerant nature, it is pretty easy to assume that what you are both NOT saying but probably thinking is that my reply was NOT of a tolerant nature. I think you are both expressing a judgmental attitude towards me now just because I had a legitimate bit of annoyance that the poster was not speaking in a take it or leave it manner but trying to shove her ideas down our throats. I'm feeling really angry now by what's not being said here. If you want to say you're judging my post then say it, but reading about the "tolerant" posts obviously is a judgment of mine. If I'm misreading the situation let me know, if I'm not, then I will have

to disagree with your judgment of me.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 3:19:28 PMSubject: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

No need to apologize Katcha. You have a tough job deciding what to allow or not. I would much sooner see a diversity of thought than posts censored every time a minor line is crossed. Peace may have come to teach, but if we are kind and welcoming, Peace might stay to learn. We will not be able to share what has helped us if we shut out every dieter that comes along. It takes time for people to wrap their heads around what IE is. I'm happy to belong to this group because of the many replies to Peace that were of a tolerant nature.ARNIE> >> > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

In fact I re-read my post and don't think it's at all bad! I think it expresses some legitimate anger and that's ok; when someone steps over the line and tells you want to eat and not eat a little anger is fine.

what's so bad about this post? i don't think anything.

Are you saying the tolerant posts mean this one isn't ok? i think it's fine. I pasted it here because I stand behind it. And if you didn't mean this post then i need to know that because I'm assuming you're criticising it.

God's way, according to you, has quite a number of food rules.

Don't eat when not hungry

Don't eat it if it came after Jesus

Don't eat junk food

Don't eat food with additives

Don't eat one little Hershey kiss (jeez)

Don't eat white rice

Don't eat a big Thanksgiving dinner

Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? NO DON'T EAT THESE!!

Oh my, I really feel a lot of empathy for you! It's so sad that you need so many restrictions and rules!! Why do you need so many rules? Is it that you do not trust yourself?

How can you truly have freedom in your relationship with food? You are in a prison of your own making.

And I can't resist getting a little jokey and asking if the "Jesus Diet", which I'd not heard of before you, is the same as the "Paleolithic Diet (caveman diet)"?

Ok, but seriously, partly I truly do empathize with you because it's got to be tough needing these rules the way you do, and partly people who presume to tell other people what to do in such directive terms with an air of superiority piss me the hell off an unbelievable amount. So I feel empathic and simultaneously I feel very, very ticked off. Did you know that two conflicting feelings can exist simultaneously? You didn't? Well now you do.

Laurie

P.S. I know, I know I could have walked away from this one :.)

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:40:55 PMSubject: Re: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Now I'm starting to really feel angry. It seems that when you and Katcha point out that you appreciate the replies which were of a tolerant nature, it is pretty easy to assume that what you are both NOT saying but probably thinking is that my reply was NOT of a tolerant nature. I think you are both expressing a judgmental attitude towards me now just because I had a legitimate bit of annoyance that the poster was not speaking in a take it or leave it manner but trying to shove her ideas down our throats. I'm feeling really angry now by what's not being said here. If you want to say you're judging my post then say it, but reading about the "tolerant" posts obviously is a judgment of mine. If I'm misreading the situation let me know, if I'm not, then I will have to disagree with your judgment of me.

Laurie

From: arnie_gg <arnieggmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Sun, December 13, 2009 3:19:28 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

No need to apologize Katcha. You have a tough job deciding what to allow or not. I would much sooner see a diversity of thought than posts censored every time a minor line is crossed. Peace may have come to teach, but if we are kind and welcoming, Peace might stay to learn. We will not be able to share what has helped us if we shut out every dieter that comes along. It takes time for people to wrap their heads around what IE is. I'm happy to belong to this group because of the many replies to Peace that were of a tolerant nature.ARNIE> >> > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

One more post about this and I'm done.

Maybe it was this that ticked me off:

"anytime you eat when you're not physically hungry just to eat is called "GLUTTONY". And That And look, i'm going to be very blunt and nonsympathetic about this and tell it how it is because any form of SIN is not ok to let slide by"

THAT is what I call intolerant!!!!!

Or maybe this ticked me off!!

"If everyone only ate when they were hungry and stopped when the body told them it was enough since the time they were born, no one would be fat. PERIOD"

How intolerant in my opinion!!

Oh ok, one more thing; THIS isn't intolerant and violating boundaries;

"So, taking that 1 little hershey kiss someone offers you, is wrong"

I am done with this but just feel angry that people are saying they appreciate the "tolerant" responses. I'm very angry right now. If I'm wrong about my assumption, then let me know, if not then I stand by what I said and did regardless.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:54:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

In fact I re-read my post and don't think it's at all bad! I think it expresses some legitimate anger and that's ok; when someone steps over the line and tells you want to eat and not eat a little anger is fine.

what's so bad about this post? i don't think anything.

Are you saying the tolerant posts mean this one isn't ok? i think it's fine. I pasted it here because I stand behind it. And if you didn't mean this post then i need to know that because I'm assuming you're criticising it.

God's way, according to you, has quite a number of food rules.

Don't eat when not hungry

Don't eat it if it came after Jesus

Don't eat junk food

Don't eat food with additives

Don't eat one little Hershey kiss (jeez)

Don't eat white rice

Don't eat a big Thanksgiving dinner

Cheese Nips, cookies, chips, brownies, and brownies too? NO DON'T EAT THESE!!

Oh my, I really feel a lot of empathy for you! It's so sad that you need so many restrictions and rules!! Why do you need so many rules? Is it that you do not trust yourself?

How can you truly have freedom in your relationship with food? You are in a prison of your own making.

And I can't resist getting a little jokey and asking if the "Jesus Diet", which I'd not heard of before you, is the same as the "Paleolithic Diet (caveman diet)"?

Ok, but seriously, partly I truly do empathize with you because it's got to be tough needing these rules the way you do, and partly people who presume to tell other people what to do in such directive terms with an air of superiority piss me the hell off an unbelievable amount. So I feel empathic and simultaneously I feel very, very ticked off. Did you know that two conflicting feelings can exist simultaneously? You didn't? Well now you do.

Laurie

P.S. I know, I know I could have walked away from this one :.)

From: lori <laurietessyahoo (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:40:55 PMSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

Now I'm starting to really feel angry. It seems that when you and Katcha point out that you appreciate the replies which were of a tolerant nature, it is pretty easy to assume that what you are both NOT saying but probably thinking is that my reply was NOT of a tolerant nature. I think you are both expressing a judgmental attitude towards me now just because I had a legitimate bit of annoyance that the poster was not speaking in a take it or leave it manner but trying to shove her ideas down our throats. I'm feeling really angry now by what's not being said here. If you want to say you're judging my post then say it, but reading about the "tolerant" posts obviously is a judgment of mine. If I'm misreading the situation let me know, if I'm not, then I will have to disagree with your judgment of me.

Laurie

From: arnie_gg <arnieggmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Sun, December 13, 2009 3:19:28 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Intuitive Eating GODS way

No need to apologize Katcha. You have a tough job deciding what to allow or not. I would much sooner see a diversity of thought than posts censored every time a minor line is crossed. Peace may have come to teach, but if we are kind and welcoming, Peace might stay to learn. We will not be able to share what has helped us if we shut out every dieter that comes along. It takes time for people to wrap their heads around what IE is. I'm happy to belong to this group because of the many replies to Peace that were of a tolerant nature.ARNIE> >> > This person might as well be on a diet. Do not like the religious > > judgement going on here. left a group for that> > >> >>