Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hi to all We are entering 6th week of SCD and one thing I noticed immediately (by 2 week) was that my son's stool went to a nice healthy brown. Unfortunately, as I started adding new fruits (he is eating a lot of pineapple) my son's stool started to get yellower (definitely yeast for him). Well this week, his behavior totally regressed (drunken like, hyperactive) very typical behavior when he gets a yeast infection and his stool was very loose. I thought we were starving out yeast with this diet? Is there a limit to how much fruit should be given? Anybody else have the yeast problem?- I was so hoping to get over this. I have noticed regression when adding foods he couldnt tolerate (pecan butter ), but this was the worst behavioral regression I have seen in a while. Eliminating cooked pineapple is going to be tough, he doesnt seem to tolerate bananas (phenol, salicylate responder) & pears and dislikes applesauce. Should I start intro again, to starve out the yeast? Thanks for any support or suggestions Best Regards, Reen SCD- entering 6th week son/colitis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hi Reen - I'm brand new and haven't even started the diet... but I wanted you to know that Elaine Gottschall is coming to Toronto on the 24th... see AutismCanada.org for tickets. I hope you are drivable to Toronto and not on the far side of Ontario somewhere. The reason why I'm posting now (see email written about 30 minutes ago) and not waiting a week and asking Ms. Gottschall all my questions myself... I feel like we are in race against time and every day makes a difference. Just about every mushy, yellow stool makes me cry. Also, I'm having a second child in September... and my dream is to have this well underway/beat by then. We get back from the cottage on Monday and I'm hoping we can be up and running with the SCD by Tuesday. Best of luck, Sally > Hi to all > > We are entering 6th week of SCD and one thing I noticed immediately (by 2 > week) was that my son's stool went to a nice healthy brown. Unfortunately, as I > started adding new fruits > (he is eating a lot of pineapple) my son's stool started to get yellower > (definitely yeast for him). Well this week, his behavior totally regressed > (drunken like, hyperactive) very typical behavior when he gets a yeast infection > and his stool was very loose. > > I thought we were starving out yeast with this diet? Is there a limit to how > much fruit should > be given? Anybody else have the yeast problem?- I was so hoping to get over > this. > I have noticed regression when adding foods he couldnt tolerate (pecan > butter ), but this > was the worst behavioral regression I have seen in a while. > > Eliminating cooked pineapple is going to be tough, he doesnt seem to tolerate > bananas (phenol, salicylate responder) & pears and dislikes applesauce. > > Should I start intro again, to starve out the yeast? > > Thanks for any support or suggestions > Best Regards, > Reen > SCD- entering 6th week > son/colitis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hi Reen, Have you tried giving your son the SCD goat or the almond yogurt? That is so helpful for yeast problems. Some children do better in the first months of SCD with less fruits. Make sure your son gets enough carbs if you restrict the fruits. Squash and avocadoes are great carb foods that do not promote the yeast. Another approach is to just have patience. AS your child gets better with SCD,the yeast will be resolved. Mimi Below is something from our old website about fruit and honey. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Why can we have honey and fruit on SCD despite the yeast?. There are two reasons for this. 1)Honey has predigested sugars which are most likely to cross the intestinal absorptive surface into the blood steam and thereby be inaccessible for intestinal yeast and bacteria.(From Elaine) 2)The yeast lives in a biofilm inside our intestines.Biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms The yeast cannot flourish in our gut without the other gut pathogens If we cut down on the other gut pathogens with SCD then the yeast cannot do well. Below are excerpts from this website: http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/Education/biofilm/intro.htm#intro What Are Biofilm Communities? Biofilms are a hot topic in microbiology today. Scientists are studying the ways bacterial colonies form these slimey layers, which can be resistant to antiobiotics and the immune system, in hopes that new information will help us understand how the layers form, adhere to surfaces, and how they can be prevented. Biofilms moved to the forefront of microbiology after a 1994 case that involved the infection of hundreds of asthmatics. It was found that all the asthmatics used the same inhalant contaminated with a bacterium known as Pseudomonas aeruginosa. This bacterium was able to survive the routine disinfection of the inhalant during manufacturing by forming a biofilm comprised of many colonies. The contaminated inhalers contained pieces of the biofilm which were transported directly to the lung tissue by the asthmatics. In the lung tissue the Pseudomonas biofilm was able to flourish. One hundred people died from the biofilm infection, a dramatic example of the danger posed by some bacterial biofilms. Biofilms can be found in many areas of the human body and the environment. Teeth, intestines, medical devices, contact lenses, drainage pipes, and the bottoms of ships. The common demoniator is all the biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms. Biofilms found on the hull of a ship consist of large organisms like barnacles, mussels, and host of other zooplankton and phytoplankton. These biofilms slow a ship and are expensive to remove and prevent. Current methods to prevent biofilm formation on ships include a wide variety of toxic marine paints. However, these paints tend to wear off and biofilms which are resistant form on them without regard to the toxins. More on biofilms http://www.uib.no/ums/magazine/teaching/Biofilm/biolfilm.htm http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/e/jel5/biofilms/primer.html From Elaine For those who are terribly worried about honey, I would say, " start very slowly " and try it out. > Hi to all > > We are entering 6th week of SCD and one thing I noticed immediately (by 2 > week) was that my son's stool went to a nice healthy brown. Unfortunately, as I > started adding new fruits > (he is eating a lot of pineapple) my son's stool started to get yellower > (definitely yeast for him). Well this week, his behavior totally regressed > (drunken like, hyperactive) very typical behavior when he gets a yeast infection > and his stool was very loose. > > I thought we were starving out yeast with this diet? Is there a limit to how > much fruit should > be given? Anybody else have the yeast problem?- I was so hoping to get over > this. > I have noticed regression when adding foods he couldnt tolerate (pecan > butter ), but this > was the worst behavioral regression I have seen in a while. > > Eliminating cooked pineapple is going to be tough, he doesnt seem to tolerate > bananas (phenol, salicylate responder) & pears and dislikes applesauce. > > Should I start intro again, to starve out the yeast? > > Thanks for any support or suggestions > Best Regards, > Reen > SCD- entering 6th week > son/colitis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 My 15 mo old son, who has been scd 4 wks, has consistently yellow stools. This is moreso than before scd. Can this go on a while? I can't eliminate fruit or he would hardly eat since he gets no starch. Goat yogurt will help or do I just need to be patient? Can the die off of yeast cause the yellow stools? He's been getting diaper rash from it as well. Robbie Re: UGH! Yeast is Back!!!! Hi Reen, Have you tried giving your son the SCD goat or the almond yogurt? That is so helpful for yeast problems. Some children do better in the first months of SCD with less fruits. Make sure your son gets enough carbs if you restrict the fruits. Squash and avocadoes are great carb foods that do not promote the yeast. Another approach is to just have patience. AS your child gets better with SCD,the yeast will be resolved. Mimi Below is something from our old website about fruit and honey. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Why can we have honey and fruit on SCD despite the yeast?. There are two reasons for this. 1)Honey has predigested sugars which are most likely to cross the intestinal absorptive surface into the blood steam and thereby be inaccessible for intestinal yeast and bacteria.(From Elaine) 2)The yeast lives in a biofilm inside our intestines.Biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms The yeast cannot flourish in our gut without the other gut pathogens If we cut down on the other gut pathogens with SCD then the yeast cannot do well. Below are excerpts from this website: http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/Education/biofilm/intro.htm#intro What Are Biofilm Communities? Biofilms are a hot topic in microbiology today. Scientists are studying the ways bacterial colonies form these slimey layers, which can be resistant to antiobiotics and the immune system, in hopes that new information will help us understand how the layers form, adhere to surfaces, and how they can be prevented. Biofilms moved to the forefront of microbiology after a 1994 case that involved the infection of hundreds of asthmatics. It was found that all the asthmatics used the same inhalant contaminated with a bacterium known as Pseudomonas aeruginosa. This bacterium was able to survive the routine disinfection of the inhalant during manufacturing by forming a biofilm comprised of many colonies. The contaminated inhalers contained pieces of the biofilm which were transported directly to the lung tissue by the asthmatics. In the lung tissue the Pseudomonas biofilm was able to flourish. One hundred people died from the biofilm infection, a dramatic example of the danger posed by some bacterial biofilms. Biofilms can be found in many areas of the human body and the environment. Teeth, intestines, medical devices, contact lenses, drainage pipes, and the bottoms of ships. The common demoniator is all the biofilms are comprised of a primary layer of bacteria that provide an attractive environment for other bacteria and larger organisms. Biofilms found on the hull of a ship consist of large organisms like barnacles, mussels, and host of other zooplankton and phytoplankton. These biofilms slow a ship and are expensive to remove and prevent. Current methods to prevent biofilm formation on ships include a wide variety of toxic marine paints. However, these paints tend to wear off and biofilms which are resistant form on them without regard to the toxins. More on biofilms http://www.uib.no/ums/magazine/teaching/Biofilm/biolfilm.htm http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/e/jel5/biofilms/primer.html >From Elaine For those who are terribly worried about honey, I would say, " start very slowly " and try it out. > Hi to all > > We are entering 6th week of SCD and one thing I noticed immediately (by 2 > week) was that my son's stool went to a nice healthy brown. Unfortunately, as I > started adding new fruits > (he is eating a lot of pineapple) my son's stool started to get yellower > (definitely yeast for him). Well this week, his behavior totally regressed > (drunken like, hyperactive) very typical behavior when he gets a yeast infection > and his stool was very loose. > > I thought we were starving out yeast with this diet? Is there a limit to how > much fruit should > be given? Anybody else have the yeast problem?- I was so hoping to get over > this. > I have noticed regression when adding foods he couldnt tolerate (pecan > butter ), but this > was the worst behavioral regression I have seen in a while. > > Eliminating cooked pineapple is going to be tough, he doesnt seem to tolerate > bananas (phenol, salicylate responder) & pears and dislikes applesauce. > > Should I start intro again, to starve out the yeast? > > Thanks for any support or suggestions > Best Regards, > Reen > SCD- entering 6th week > son/colitis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Robbie, Pleas tell us exactly what he is eating (including preparation method). That will help us to help you. Jody mom to -5 and -7 SCD 18 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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