re: Fong Ton Pill Ingredients

[Guest guest]

I noticed tiger bones is one of the ingredients. Tigers are in

danger of becoming extinct in many parts of the world. Tigers are

poached illegally because their parts are used in medicines. If you

check, I'll bet it is illegal to sell medicines with tiger parts in

your jurisdiction. Also. I wouldn't want to contribute to the

extinction of such an incredible animal.

Sharon

> I haven't mastered the art of replying in this group yet, and if

my

> previous attempts failed, here is the list of ingredients in Fong

> Ton Pills.

>

> Joanne

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Os Tigris ….inner part of tiger bone

> (strengthens bones)

>

> Fructus Chaenomelis …Chinese quince

> (for severe pain)

>

> White gourd … pumpkin

> ( destroys excessive humors of bile and phlegm)

>

> Plastrum Testudinis ….tortoise shell powder

> (strengthens bones)

>

> Radix e Sinensis …angelica root

> (enriches blood, improves circulation)

>

> Pyritum…. Iron sulfide

> (dissipates stagnant blood, help pain, heals

> fractures)

>

> Calami ….Rhizome of sweet flag

> ( checks growth of bacteria, carminative,

> relieves flatulence, improves digestion)

>

> Cortex Cinnamomi …. Inner bark of cinnamon tree

> (helps spastic conditions,

> rheumatism, heals wounds)

>

> incense ….. resin

> ( heals tumors, ulcers, vomiting, fevers,

> leprosy, dysentery)

>

> Myrrh… resin from shrub

> (anti-microbial, glandular fevers,

> rheumatism, trauma, anemia)

>

> Rhizoma Curcumal ...Turmeric

> (warms, blood purifier, anti-biotic,

> strengthens ligaments)

>

> Benzoinum …. Tree resin

> (stimulates circulation)

>

> Radix Jurinae …. Herb

> (for energy, and circulation)

>

> Semen Benincasae….Seeds of Job's Tears

> ( diuretic, drains damp enegy, relaxes muscles,

> sedative, analgesic, decreases swelling and

> heaviness)

>

> Radix Morindae …. Morinda root

> (tones and strengthens kidneys,

> dispels wind, transforms dampness)

>

> Cortex Eucommiae ….Tree bark

> (Invigorates the liver and kidney,

> strengthen the tendons and bones,

> eases soreness of the loins and knees,

> and flaccidity of lower limbs

>

> Radix Dipsaci … Dried root of herb

> (Tones the liver and kidney, promotes reunion

> of fractured bones, eases pain in the loins and

> knees,

> and weakness of muscles and bones)

>

> Radix Achyranthis Bidentatae …Dried root of herb

> ( relieves pain of the low back ,

> knee joints, and arthralgia of the lower

> limbs,

> ensures proper downward flow of blood,

> reduces swelling)

>

> Flos Carthami …. Safflower

> (activates blood circulation,

> removes blood stasis, and relieves pain)

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanne! Geoff here.

Thank you for posting the ingredients from your pills. I have written to

the company two times now, both inquiries remained unanswered, which makes

me leery personally. If the pills help you and have no apparent ill effect,

use them. Beware though, Chinese origin herbals are *notorious* throughout

the medical world for adulteration, in contrast to Chinese Herbals produced

in the states which are *not* so noted.

Physicians are not immune from carrying nor selling adulterated items, nor

are pharmacists immune from being tricked into holding adulterated drugs.

Only under the most onerous circumstances would a Physician, who by license

can hold scheduled narcotics on hand in their office legally, be subject to

prosecution. One of the more notorious examples of this arose a few years

ago when several alternative practitioners were dispensing an herbal found

to have a controlled substance (cocaine) in it. Many unsuspecting patients

found themselves under arrest for possession of controlled substances, I

recall from the TV news at least two poor souls from Texas caught up in the

mess. To be sure it was an odd circumstance.

Without having a $100,000 gas chromatograph in the garage, and the skills to

run it and interpret the results, there's no way for the average Joe or Jane

to know if what they are taking, or eating, etc., is truly what they believe

it to be. In the end it all comes down to trust and discernment.

Thanks for posting the ingredients list. ly, I would be very surprised

if the " Os Tigris " factually is the " inner part of Tiger bone. " More

likely, if it is there at all, and if it is bone at all, it is probably the

readily available and inexpensive bovine with the " ingredient " used for

marketing purposes. Same with the " Plastrum Testudinis, " supposedly

" tortoise shell " powder. Life experience and knowledge of the far eastern

culture, market places, and pharmacology lead me to seriously doubt either

of these actually being present as advertised. However, I would not be

surprised to find bone meal and talc.

As to Tortoise shell or Tiger bone being of any pharmacological benefit were

they to actually be used, that is a different issue altogether. People are

usually amazed at the diversity of things which have pharmacological impact.

Who would think eating charcoal would be beneficial, yet in certain ways it

is. What about snake venom? Everyone knows that is poisonous, but it is

also medicinal. I have learned that it is better to be surprised than

arrogant. Learning is a never-ending process. (Not that I personally know

of any pharmaceutical uses for either Tiger bone nor Tortoise shell, but I

do know of many uses for the other two examples and thus would not be

shocked if the first two were found to have some effect.)

The other items you posted are worth seeking translation into their

botanical names, then researching the activities and contraindications of

each. Does your package give any indications of " amounts? " I'm not

suggesting I would believe them, but it may be interesting to see what they

are and their supposed ratios, if they are present.

Thanks for all the work posting that stuff. You may find it easier just to

use your e-mail software, called a " client " to post to and read the list

versus using groups.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the input Geoff.

If you will read my last post... " Same pills without the bones " ...

you will see that I found a US company that sells a very similar

formula made with Chinese herbs in the USA, but without tiger bones

or tortoise shell I have already sent in an order to this company.

You've gotta trust someone, after all

Joanne

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From: " Geoff " <geoff@8...>

Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:22 pm

Subject: re: Fong Ton Pill Ingredients

Hi Joanne! Geoff here.

Thank you for posting the ingredients from your pills. I have

written to

the company two times now, both inquiries remained unanswered, which

makes

me leery personally. If the pills help you and have no apparent ill

effect,

use them. Beware though, Chinese origin herbals are *notorious*

throughout

the medical world for adulteration, in contrast to Chinese Herbals

produced

in the states which are *not* so noted.

Physicians are not immune from carrying nor selling adulterated

items, nor

are pharmacists immune from being tricked into holding adulterated

drugs.

Only under the most onerous circumstances would a Physician, who by

license

can hold scheduled narcotics on hand in their office legally, be

subject to

prosecution. One of the more notorious examples of this arose a few

years

ago when several alternative practitioners were dispensing an herbal

found

to have a controlled substance (cocaine) in it. Many unsuspecting

patients

found themselves under arrest for possession of controlled

substances, I

recall from the TV news at least two poor souls from Texas caught up

in the

mess. To be sure it was an odd circumstance.

Without having a $100,000 gas chromatograph in the garage, and the

skills to

run it and interpret the results, there's no way for the average Joe

or Jane

to know if what they are taking, or eating, etc., is truly what they

believe

it to be. In the end it all comes down to trust and discernment.

Thanks for posting the ingredients list. ly, I would be very

surprised

if the " Os Tigris " factually is the " inner part of Tiger bone. " More

likely, if it is there at all, and if it is bone at all, it is

probably the

readily available and inexpensive bovine with the " ingredient " used

for

marketing purposes. Same with the " Plastrum Testudinis, " supposedly

" tortoise shell " powder. Life experience and knowledge of the far

eastern

culture, market places, and pharmacology lead me to seriously doubt

either

of these actually being present as advertised. However, I would not

be

surprised to find bone meal and talc.

As to Tortoise shell or Tiger bone being of any pharmacological

benefit were

they to actually be used, that is a different issue altogether.

People are

usually amazed at the diversity of things which have pharmacological

impact.

Who would think eating charcoal would be beneficial, yet in certain

ways it

is. What about snake venom? Everyone knows that is poisonous, but it

is

also medicinal. I have learned that it is better to be surprised than

arrogant. Learning is a never-ending process. (Not that I personally

know

of any pharmaceutical uses for either Tiger bone nor Tortoise shell,

but I

do know of many uses for the other two examples and thus would not be

shocked if the first two were found to have some effect.)

The other items you posted are worth seeking translation into their

botanical names, then researching the activities and

contraindications of

each. Does your package give any indications of " amounts? " I'm not

suggesting I would believe them, but it may be interesting to see

what they

are and their supposed ratios, if they are present.

Thanks for all the work posting that stuff. You may find it easier

just to

use your e-mail software, called a " client " to post to and read the

list

versus using groups.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional

kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

[Guest guest]

About the benefits of the herbs...

Please refer to the latest post from me on 1/08 ... " Same Pills

without the bones " .

The company I mentioned makes these without endangering tigers.

Listed in the post are all the benefits of the herbal preparation.

I have been taking the pills for about ten days and believe me that

I haven't felt as good as I do now for about a year. I have so much

energy, clarity of mind, much less stiffness, hardly any pain, and

my new enthusiasm for life is amazing me! I don't need NSAIDS, or

pain pills to sleep at night anymore.

It may be that the AP is beginning to work...that I'm not herxing

anymore. I have been on the therapy for about three months.

Whatever the reason for my healing...antibiotics, or herbal

medicine, or both...I am very happy to be feeling almost like I did

before the RA hit me in June 2002.

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From: seaintuit@a...

Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 5:48 pm

Subject: Re: rheumatic re: Fong Ton Pill Ingredients

Can someone remind me again of what these pills apparently do?

[Guest guest]

Joanne,

Thanks for the info on the Fong Ton stuff. I get the digest so my notes are

sometimes out-of-synch with the individual e-mails. For example: I get a

digest, ask a question about it, and when the next digest comes out find

that there was already an answer posted before I ever asked my question, but

there were not enough e-mails logged yet to generate a new digest, thus my

question ends up posting in the digest and going out via individual e-mails

from the list AFTER the answer! One of those little quirks of the Internet

and trying to manage everything.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.